Empyrus he/him Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 (edited) Search didn't come up with results indicating this connection has been noticed before (but my luck with searches is less than stellar) though the term has been: We know of two orders for sure: Windrunners and Stonewards, and possibly a third: Dustbringers. We know each one has different powers. I think i just found another order's name: Brightcallers. On page 918, someone says "By the Brightcaller's rays." Why is this significant? Well, on page 830 it is said: "You've told me that the Radiants could fly and walk on walls." "They sure could. And make stone melt by looking at it. And move great distances in a single hearthbeat. And command the sunglight. And-". Brightcaller's rays. Command the sunlight. Pretty obvious, isn't it? Edited February 12, 2013 by Empyrus 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Count he/him Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 Search didn't come up with results indicating this connection has been noticed before (but my luck with searches is less than stellar) though the term has been: We know of three orders: Windrunners, Stonewards and Dustbringers. We know each one has different powers. I think i just found another order's name: Brightcallers. On page 918, someone says "By the Brightcaller's rays." Why is this significant? Well, on page 830 it is said: "You've told me that the Radiants could fly and walk on walls." "They sure could. And make stone melt by looking at it. And move great distances in a single hearthbeat. And command the sunglight. And-". Brightcaller's rays. Command the sunlight. Pretty obvious, isn't it? Nice Idea and good catch on the quote, I have 2 main points of concern though: 1/ Not sure Dustbringers are a KR Order. The prologue is pretty ambiguous and could be taken to mean a type of Voidbringer as much as a KR order. 2/ The quote itself is "...Brightcaller's rays" implying a single entity called the Brightcaller (presumably Honour or a Herald). If it was a KR order it should be "...Brightcallers' rays" implying more than 1 brightcaller. Those pesky apostrphes can get very troublesome.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Empyrus he/him Posted February 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 (edited) Well, 3rd then, if Dustbringgers are not an Order. Not really that important. We know two names for sure at least. As for the latter thing: 1) There is always a possibility of a typo on Sanderson's part. Not likely though. 2) One could swear by a singular Knight or the Order, no? But you're right, if it is truly meant to be singular, then Brightcaller could be something else, Herald most likely. But if it is a Herald, then it still has a connection to commanding the sunlight. Jezrien was Windrunners' leader, and called Stormfather... So, Brightcaller could be the leader of the Order who command sunlight, the name would fit well. Edited February 12, 2013 by Empyrus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meg Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 Oh, that's nice. Drehy said "By the Brightcaller's rays" (singular). And Talenelat names himself "Talenel'Elin, Stonesinew (essence: Talus which is not only the bone in our feet but a scree too). Reading "rays" I remembered the picture of "The Relief of Nalan'Elin, a Herald". His essence (vapor) doesn't really match with (sun)rays but I don't want to claim that Brightcaller == Nalan, I merely try to get a connection. I'm considering if each Herald might have had such a byname (perhaps related to special abilities (and therefor 10 orders)). "Brightcaller" might have matched with Vedeledev (essence: Lucentia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj26792 he/him Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 Thats an interesting thought on the names of the Heralds meg, has anyone else noticed possible relations with the heralds to the possible names of the orders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meg Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 I tripped over another odd name: "Longshadow" Navani mentions it when she explained the development of the painrial (TWoK, Chapter 60), though I've to admit that I can't really make out from the text whether I'm not terrible wrong about this. I was working backward from one of those dreadful creations of Longshadow's ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 I assumed that Longshadow was just a rival Artifabrian of hers, could be something else but I doubt she'd call something designed by a Herald 'dreadful' although then again she did raise Jasnah 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahak he/him Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 I tripped over another odd name: "Longshadow" Navani mentions it when she explained the development of the painrial (TWoK, Chapter 60), though I've to admit that I can't really make out from the text whether I'm not terrible wrong about this. Thus hinting at Navani's past as a world hopper with the Black Company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worldhopper he/him Posted March 4, 2013 Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 This is a really interesting theory. I'm trying to think of all the possible KR orders names that we may or may not know and so far there are 5 (perhaps), which come to mind, they are: Windrunners, (Definitely) Stonewards, (Definitely) Dustbringers, (Potentially) Skybreakers (More than likely) Lightweavers (Possibly) Brightcallers (???) I also noted that the river that runs through northern Alethkar is named the Windrunner River (clearly after the KR order), to that affect I'm wondering if whether or not there are places all across Roshar that are named after the KR Orders. From what I can see on the map of Alethkar there is the Sunmaker mountains which could potentially be linked to the supposed Order of Brightcallers or it could be that this Heralds title was Brightcaller and his Order was the Sunmakers. Looking again at the map of Alethkar I also noted the Nightstream sea and have started to consider if whether or not this could have the potential to be named after one of the KR Orders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worldhopper he/him Posted March 4, 2013 Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 Also just saw another potential clue for the Dustbringers being an Order of KR. In Bavland the word 'Dustmother' is thought to be a curse. Could this be the name for the Dustbringers Herald (who I'm considering could be Chach, if what Kalak says: "Even some sections of rock smoldered. The Dustbringers had done their work well." Chach's essence is Spark and her Soulcasting properties are Fire which leaves me thinking that if there was an Order of the Knights Radiant that were Dustbringers then there Herald would have possibly been Chach or rather Dustmother. Still, just a theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worldhopper he/him Posted March 4, 2013 Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 I tripped over another odd name: "Longshadow" Navani mentions it when she explained the development of the painrial (TWoK, Chapter 60), though I've to admit that I can't really make out from the text whether I'm not terrible wrong about this. This doesn't sound to me as if she is talking of one of the Heralds, although what dreadful creations are they talking about? I'm now quite intrigued to know more about who this Longshadow was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mailliw73 he/him Posted March 4, 2013 Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 This is a really interesting theory. I'm trying to think of all the possible KR orders names that we may or may not know and so far there are 5 (perhaps), which come to mind, they are: Windrunners, (Definitely) Stonewards, (Definitely) Dustbringers, (Potentially) Skybreakers (More than likely) Lightweavers (Possibly) Brightcallers (???) Lightweavers have been confirmed in Brandon's announcement of the Words of Radiance title, I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worldhopper he/him Posted March 4, 2013 Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 Lightweavers have been confirmed in Brandon's announcement of the Words of Radiance title, I believe. I know that it was considered as a possible name for the book instead and it seems logical that Lightweavers could be a KR Order but I didn't want to jump the gun and state that it was until there is some solid evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 I know that it was considered as a possible name for the book instead and it seems logical that Lightweavers could be a KR Order but I didn't want to jump the gun and state that it was until there is some solid evidence. We have WoB on that. Moshe suggested Lightweaver as a title. It was thematically important (as a hint, one of the orders of the Knights Radiant was the Lightweavers) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takeshi Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 I'm thinking that each order's name includes a variation of it's respective Essence. Zephyr = Wind Talus = Stone Lucentia = Light So Dustbringers I thought could be of the essence Vapor, but if Skybreakers becomes a verified order, my money is on them being Vapor. In which case, Dustbringers would be a candidate for the Unmade (or something else completely). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windrunner he/him Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 I can definitively say that Skybreakers are a Radiant Order. Interview coming "soon". Probably this weekend, if I can manage it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worldhopper he/him Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 We have WoB on that. Ah, so it was confirmed. Cool. So that's Windrunners Stonewards Skybreakers Lightweavers And hopefully Dustbringers I'm really behind Dustbringers being one of the orders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROSHtafARian Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 I'm definitely in the 'Dustbringers are KR order' camp as well. The WoK prologue was through Kalak's POV after all, and the context/phrasing of the sentence about Dustbringers definitely lent the implication they were on the same side as him. 'The Dustbringers had done their work well,'....I dunno. Technically it COULD go the other way, but if Dustbringers were the enemy, I'd expect a little...animosity or something to have colored Kalak's thought. LOL trust us to analyze seven words to death. Maybe someone can ask Brandon pointblank at a signing if the Dustbringers are a KR order to put us out of our misery? As for Brightcaller, that sentence made it sound more like a singular entity rather than a plural order. I'd agree that Brightcaller is the name of the Herald for either the Lightweavers or the Skybreakers, though my money's on the Lightweavers. Stormfather, Brightcaller, Stonesinew, potentially Dustmother...it seems to fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worldhopper he/him Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 I'm definitely in the 'Dustbringers are KR order' camp as well. The WoK prologue was through Kalak's POV after all, and the context/phrasing of the sentence about Dustbringers definitely lent the implication they were on the same side as him. 'The Dustbringers had done their work well,'....I dunno. Technically it COULD go the other way, but if Dustbringers were the enemy, I'd expect a little...animosity or something to have colored Kalak's thought. LOL trust us to analyze seven words to death. Maybe someone can ask Brandon pointblank at a signing if the Dustbringers are a KR order to put us out of our misery? As for Brightcaller, that sentence made it sound more like a singular entity rather than a plural order. I'd agree that Brightcaller is the name of the Herald for either the Lightweavers or the Skybreakers, though my money's on the Lightweavers. Stormfather, Brightcaller, Stonesinew, potentially Dustmother...it seems to fit. Yeah. Dustmother referring to one of the heralds, possibly chach, and the way kalak phrases those few words, leaves me confident that the Dustbringers are an order of the KR. I really want to see some more detailed maps of Roshar as I believe all the orders and heralds will be in there somewhere named after a mountain range or river of some kind. As for stonesinew is wager he's the herald for the stonewards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADIMORTIS he/him Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 sorry for this but can anyone yell me what WoB stands for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senor Feesh Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 sorry for this but can anyone yell me what WoB stands for? WoB = Word of Brandon - it refers to anything which Brandon himself has explicitly stated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leuthie Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 Words of Brandon, I believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worldhopper he/him Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 (edited) sorry for this but can anyone yell me what WoB stands for? I'm guessing it means Word of Brandon I'm guessing it means Word of Brandon Should always check that there is a second page before replying. Otherwise you end up repeating everyone else Edited March 7, 2013 by Windrunner Please don't double post, and welcome to the forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Try to edit your previous post instead of double posting too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheese Ninja he/him Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Also, Sunmaker was the Alethi leader who overthrew the Heirocracy. While it is possible, it is probably not the name of an Order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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