Turos Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) In a fight to the death, who would win: The Lord Ruler or Vasher? Ever seen the Death Battle videos? Using the same thought processes and explanations using hard fact and reasonably thorough speculation, who do you think would win in the end? Edited April 25, 2015 by Turos Stoneward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turos Posted April 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) MWahahahahaa! Edited April 25, 2015 by Turos Stoneward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmurfAquamarineBodies Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 I suppose it depends on whether or not Vasher has Nightblood, and whether or not TLR could safely wield Nightblood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARARITA Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 IMHO Vasher has proven himself . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Honey Badger Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 I'm sorry TLR, but even you can't stand Nightblood to the face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turos Posted April 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 I understand it's supposed to be difficult to use allomancy on invested metal, but Vin did this. Perhaps he could simply send Nightblood flying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Honey Badger Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 That's true, but also Nightblood consumes investure, so it might just absorb the steelpush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turos Posted April 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Ooo... Things aren't looking too good for TLR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Honey Badger Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) I could be wrong, it might only absorb from the user, I know, I'll Coppermind it Edit: My search came up with no it doesn't consume investure. But if Vasher left Nightblood and ran, The Lord Ruler might kill himself Edited April 25, 2015 by The Honey Badger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turos Posted April 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Ok. Then again, I don't see Vasher as the type to run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmurfAquamarineBodies Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 No, but he is the type to throw Nightblood at the enemy. If he did that and TLR picked Nightblood up without killing himself then I'm sorry but Vasher is toast. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chaos Posted April 27, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted April 27, 2015 There is very little actual way Vasher could win such an encounter with the Lord Ruler. No doubt that Nightblood would be quite damaging to the Lord Ruler--though whether or not Nightblood would determine the Lord Ruler as evil is another topic entirely. But still, as the Lord Ruler, he would Push on freaking everything in the general vicinity and note that the sword is highly Invested, and thus cannot be Pushed on. The Lord Ruler would then immediately know that it is probably dangerous, considering neither metalmind nor Hemalurgic spike would be an Invested sword. This is with assuming the minimal level of cosmere awareness, and I think the Lord Ruler would probably worry about something Invested in this way. Also, Allomantic bronze and the Lord Ruler's extreme skill with it would notice that something is awry with Nightblood. That's when the Lord Ruler stays the crap away from Vasher and Pushes a coin into Vasher's skull and instantly kills him. It's highly unlikely that Vasher could ever sneak up to the Lord Ruler--and sneaking into Kredik Shaw would have the same issue with Steelpushes being extremely effective. But even if it wasn't Kredik Shaw, the Lord Ruler would have extreme senses from tin. In any sort of arena-based fight where both parties were prepared, the Lord Ruler would win because of his ability to range Vasher down. If Vasher unleashes Nightblood, the Lord Ruler will win. There's not a way for Vasher to catch up; the Lord Ruler has so many ways to keep an adequate distance from Vasher. Allomantic pewter, Feruchemical steel. Tapping speed will be seriously overpowered here. Best case against the Lord Ruler's (or, let's be honest, any Mistborn) ranged assault is a lot of Awakened objects to try and deflect the coins, but still... the sheer velocity on the coins will destroy Vasher's typical Awakened objects, and then Vasher immediately loses. Vasher could try and throw Nightblood, but as soon as he does, the Lord Ruler can tap physical and mental speed, dodge Nightblood, and instantly kill Vasher. Nightblood's the only thing that keeps the Lord Ruler from physically overpowering Vasher. As soon as its thrown, Vasher loses. The Lord Ruler has far too many ways to keep moving for it to ever connect. Then, the Lord Ruler has a minion, like an Inquisitor, pick up Nightblood after the fight is complete, and have them die over it. This is to say nothing of the Lord Ruler's incredible emotional Allomancy to toy with Vasher... Even worse for Vasher, this is all assuming the Lord Ruler does not use atium, in which case, he will always win. He will see what Nightblood is, the extreme damage it can cause, and will keep his distance. No throw Vasher makes will ever hit, and then the Lord Ruler has an Inquisitor pick up Nightblood instead of himself, and proceeds to lock it very deep within Kredik Shaw. The best chance Vasher has is long after the Lord Ruler horribly murders him, when maybe, just maybe, the Lord Ruler picks up Nightblood and is killed in the process. Either way, Vasher is toast. I'm frankly astonished that anyone would vote Vasher here. If anything, Nightblood is a liability in that it warns the Lord Ruler to a new threat. Anyone who wants to try and defeat the Lord Ruler would at least require a range advantage (unlikely), or superior defensive attributes. I think that would mean that anyone with a chance against the Lord Ruler would be a full Knights Radiant. Full KR Kaladin would probably do well, as Plate is an incredible advantage, the Blade is a huge threat, and Lashing might confuse the Lord Ruler enough for the Blade to connect. But man, if Kaladin didn't have Plate, I can't seem him winning, either, unless he had tons of Stormlight to survive the initial onslaught. Vasher just really lacks sufficient sustainability. 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted April 27, 2015 Report Share Posted April 27, 2015 Yeah sorry Vasher, TLR just has too many tricks to lose to even Nightblood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boongeebee Posted April 27, 2015 Report Share Posted April 27, 2015 The Lord Ruler just has too many options.Vasher goes down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallen Rope Posted April 27, 2015 Report Share Posted April 27, 2015 Vasher would clearly loss a fight with The Lord Ruler, but he might be able to assassinate him. If the The Lord Ruler picked nightblood up, it would drain all the investiture from his body, since Scadrials investiture is very weak compared to breaths. He would age really quickly, probably dying instantly. So all Vasher has to do is leave nightblood somewhere The Lord Ruler will find it, but in a duel to the death Vasher is toast. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmurfAquamarineBodies Posted April 27, 2015 Report Share Posted April 27, 2015 OK so everyone thinks Vasher is toast and i did agree until I thought to ask, does Vasher have the tenth Heightening? Does he have time to make 20,000 lifeless soldiers? Because that changes things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitchBade Posted April 27, 2015 Report Share Posted April 27, 2015 I don't think Vasher is morally okay with making lifeless out of human corpses, or at least not anymore. Maybe he would churn out some more of Kalad's phantoms but they are very hard to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconis Posted April 27, 2015 Report Share Posted April 27, 2015 Hmm. . . Compound Gold to heal any incidental damage he may receive, Compound Steel to move faster than pretty much anything, Compound Zinc to have a near infinite amount of time to plan every attack and counter Compound Chromium to be unbelievably lu- "Hey! I just found a bag of Atium!" Burn Steel to turn coins into bullets Burn Duralumin to turn any other power into a super power Burn Brass to soothe all emotions other than hopelessness Burn Bronze to detect any investiture being used Burn Tin for enhanced senses And of course, Atium. At this point I'm still trying to figure out how he managed to get taken out in the first book. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted April 27, 2015 Report Share Posted April 27, 2015 At this point I'm still trying to figure out how he managed to get taken out in the first book. Me too. It's rather astonishing, especially considering he should be able to control Inquisitors directly, just like he does with koloss. If someone tries to kill the Lord Ruler, he could control the Inquisitors that live in Kredik Shaw, anywhere from five to ten of them, and then destroy the intruder. Anyone against ten Inquisitors--except in extreme Shardic interventions, like Vin in book three--is toast, especially when controlled by someone with incredible experience. Add in the Lord Ruler in addition and you're definitely dead. The only way Vin won was because the Lord Ruler did not find her a threat, and of course, she cheated with the mists anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaladin Posted April 27, 2015 Report Share Posted April 27, 2015 If Vasher is tenth Heightening he can have long range effect. He could awaken things from a distance without even speaking. I'm not saying he would win, but I am saying he could put up a fight if he is at the tenth heightening. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitchBade Posted April 28, 2015 Report Share Posted April 28, 2015 If Vasher is tenth Heightening he can have long range effect. He could awaken things from a distance without even speaking. I'm not saying he would win, but I am saying he could put up a fight if he is at the tenth heightening. Good point, forgot Awakening becomes ranged. By the tenth heightening could he simply awaken everything LTR is wearing with the command to constrict (or something similar) and thus effectively detain/kill him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning Posted April 28, 2015 Report Share Posted April 28, 2015 I would probably side with those who believe the Lord Ruler would win. However, we have LOTS of instances where people stab the Lord Ruler. He thinks he is immortal, and so unless he is actively looking for invested objects nearby, there is a chance that he would just let himself be stabbed. Insta-loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmurfAquamarineBodies Posted April 28, 2015 Report Share Posted April 28, 2015 Good point, forgot Awakening becomes ranged. By the tenth heightening could he simply awaken everything LTR is wearing with the command to constrict (or something similar) and thus effectively detain/kill him? It would stall at least long enough for him to stab him with Nightblood. Probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted April 28, 2015 Report Share Posted April 28, 2015 I would probably side with those who believe the Lord Ruler would win. However, we have LOTS of instances where people stab the Lord Ruler. He thinks he is immortal, and so unless he is actively looking for invested objects nearby, there is a chance that he would just let himself be stabbed. Insta-loss. Not sure even on that, enough compounded Gold can heal pretty much anything including spiritual damage. Good point, forgot Awakening becomes ranged. By the tenth heightening could he simply awaken everything LTR is wearing with the command to constrict (or something similar) and thus effectively detain/kill him? TLR has a way better advantage in ranged combat, maybe he could successfully hold him for a few seconds but TLR can pepper him with metal fragments from a hundred paces in the blink of an eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjustice99 Posted April 28, 2015 Report Share Posted April 28, 2015 Not sure even on that, enough compounded Gold can heal pretty much anything including spiritual damage. TLR has a way better advantage in ranged combat, maybe he could successfully hold him for a few seconds but TLR can pepper him with metal fragments from a hundred paces in the blink of an eye. I disagree with enough compounded gold being able to heal spiritual damage. Though, we have seen instances of spiritual wounds being healed, so I'm not sure which would happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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