WeiryWriter he/him Posted January 23, 2015 Author Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) I feel like the dangerous part to one vote for each dollar spent makes Oudes' first fear even stronger if we are voting for two dice. If people want to strategically pick the two to finish sets (like Electrum/Lerasium), most will probably then split their votes evenly between the two they want. However, if there is a strong minority who just want to see Malatium, just so they can say it's the 11th metal, and then don't care what the second die is, they'll put 100% of their votes to Malatium. Then this would skew/bias the vote and potentially make Malatium one of the two dice selected. However, If we only have one die to vote for though, it won't matter because most of us will put 100% of our votes to one metal. Single Transferable Vote could help prevent that though. Unless Malatium got at least 50% of the first-choice votes then it wouldn't automatically win. And in this method individuals wouldn't be splitting their own votes. Let's say there are two exclusive dice, people vote by ranking their choices and this is what the percentages end up looking like: Lerasium: 26% Electrum: 22% Malatium: 24% Duralumin: 15% Aluminum: 2% Nicrosil: 0.5% Bendalloy: 0.3% Cadmium: 6% Chromium: 4.2% Now we eliminate the lowest percentage, Bendalloy. Now let's say all of the people whose votes are in that block put lerasium as their second choice, so we move those votes to lerasium: Lerasium: 26.3% Electrum: 22% Malatium: 24% Duralumin: 15% Aluminum: 2% Nicrosil: 0.5% Cadmium: 6% Chromium: 4.2% Now we move to Nicrosil, these people were split between lerasium and electrum (for every 3 second place lerasium there were 2 for electrum) Lerasium: 26.6% Electrum: 22.2% Malatium: 24% Duralumin: 15% Aluminum: 2% Cadmium: 6% Chromium: 4.2% Aluminum now get's eliminated: these second place votes are split between lerasium and duralumin 50/50: Lerasium: 27.6% Electrum: 22.2% Malatium: 24% Duralumin: 16% Cadmium: 6% Chromium: 4.2% Let's say goodbye to Chromium, this is split three ways between lerasium, electrum, and malatium: Lerasium: 29% Electrum: 23.6% Malatium: 25.4% Duralumin: 16% Cadmium: 6% Cadmium voters are split three ways between lerasium, electrum, and duralumin (3/2/1): Lerasium: 32% Electrum: 25.6% Malatium: 25.4% Duralumin: 17% The votes on duralumin are mixture of first choice and second choice votes but the next lowest choice for everyone (whether it is second or third choice is split 50/50 between lerasium and electrum) Lerasium 40.5% Electrum: 34.1% Malatium: 25.4% Malatium now get's eliminated, but as you say these voters just want Malatium so they didn't put any second (or third) choice votes, so these votes are eliminated which leaves us with: Lerasium 40.5% Electrum: 34.1% Now even though neither lerasium nor electrum got to 50% of the votes, since there are only two candidates left and only two spots to fill, they win. Edit: put all that math in spoiler tags. @Oudeis, if you look in the description of that video there is a link to a sample election which covers what happens if not everybody's second choice is the same, basically one way to do it, which I do above is split those votes proportionately. Edit 2: This is also another relevant video, (that I forgot about so didn't address in the above math because that made it simpler) Edited January 23, 2015 by WeiryWriter
PeterAhlstrom he/him Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 My recommendation is to hold the vote for the first extra die and then announce the results. Then hold the vote for the second. Repeat until all extras are accounted for. 5
Oudeis he/him Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 My recommendation is to hold the vote for the first extra die and then announce the results. Then hold the vote for the second. Repeat until all extras are accounted for. There are two concerns with this plan. First, as people have brought up, if there are a majority of people who want "lerasium and electrum" the first vote might get split, meaning we'd end up with malatium, even if it's the third place choice overall. The same could happen the second time, and then we'd end up with malatium and (just speculating) duralumin, when neither of them were the top two choices. And second, it's not as quick and simple as holding one vote and letting everyone pick two metals.
Kurkistan he/him Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 I may need to do some more electoral research before getting fully behind it, but as of now I'd say I was in Weiry's camp with Transferable votes. Isn't that how the Hugos do it, too? 1
Herowannabe he/him Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) I say we hold the vote Vin style: Well of Ascension spoiler: Which is: Whoever is able to take control of the largest Koloss army and beat down all the other armies gets to decide who the Emperor is what dice we get for our exclusives. Edited January 24, 2015 by Herowannabe 3
Jo and the Bush all/any Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 My version of Vin Style is assassinating the other contestants. Can we do that? 1
Ashiok Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 Mine is eating/drawing in the most investiture (the mists), and fighting each other with Shardic power levels
Mckeedee123 he/him Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 Can we do that? We should do that. Track each other down in the dead of night and savagely murder our opponents to ensure that we don't see a Malatium symbol when we roll a 1. 2
Oudeis he/him Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) If we make about $100/hour we'll have the opportunity to make that choice. If we don't, all of the "I want both Lerasium and Electrum" people will have to come to a concensus, or we'll split the vote and malatium will win. EDIT: Or instead of doing it like Vin, we can do it like Elend, and allow the dice to decide which is the extra die. Of course, we run the risk that they decide they don't want to be rolled by us at all... UPDATE: In the 15 minutes since I posted this, we made $20 more. Doing the math in my head... I think that is just barely not a fast enough rate. Still, if there's an hour left and we're within $60, surely there are some backers out there who will decide to bring us over the edge and get themselves extra votes. Edited January 24, 2015 by Oudeis 2
Oudeis he/him Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 Sweet! 2nd Dice Unlocked! I would be surprised (albeit pleasantly) if we made it to the third unlock. If we do, which three would anyone want? For me, 1. Electrum 2. Lerasium 3. Duralumin, I think? I could see the case being made for Bendalloy, finish out the Temporal quadrant before moving on. But everyone knows that burning duralumin with this many other metals would have epic results... 1
Ashiok Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) I think that if we got three, one would end up being malatium... EDIT: But I'd rather get duraluminum Edited January 24, 2015 by Ashiok 1
king of nowhere Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 Ok, sorry because it's probably been explained somewhere, but I can't find it. it is written that in the price of the set there is shipping included. but then it is implied that it is only for US backers, not internationals. what would be the price for international shipping? what would I have to do to get a set of dice in finland or italy? from the answer I will decide whether to back it or not. thanks.
Kurkistan he/him Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 It's in the FAQ; the price of shipping is also included in the international order: it doesn't matter what country it's going to. Hence the rather high price/set-requirement. 1
Ed Healy Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 Are shipping & handling charges included? Yes. To make everything easier, we have included all shipping & handling charges in the pricing for each tier. I'm 'international'. Can I get just one set? We'd love to offer this option but the high cost and extreme range of international shipping costs sadly make it impossible. It's for these reasons that many campaigns now offer bundle tiers so shipping only has to be paid once for a larger shipment that can be spread across multiple backers. If you're unable to find a friendly crew to join forces with, we suggest you encourage your retailer of choice to back this project. Or perhaps you can order Mistborn Allomancy Dice from one of our international distributors if we hit $24,000 and are able to offer the dice through distribution.
king of nowhere Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 ah, i missed the "only ship to united states" under the 20 and 100 dollars option. sad, but I'm not really going to spend 120 $ on a set of dice. Ok, thanks.
Gamma Fiend he/him Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) ah, i missed the "only ship to united states" under the 20 and 100 dollars option. sad, but I'm not really going to spend 120 $ on a set of dice. Ok, thanks. Yeah, it has been a bummer to watch all the International fans be unable to back this project for less than $120. You DO get (6) Sets of Dice when you do, though! So lots of people have been going in with a group of friends to help split up the cost, or a few managed to get their local gaming stores to fund the project. Less than $3k to the 3rd Exclusive Dice though! Brandon Sanderson once again with the clutch retweet/facebook update! Edit: 2 dice my votes = Lerasium + Electrum 3rd would probably be Duralumin. Never actually considered that a possibility! O.o Edited January 24, 2015 by Gamma Fiend
Captain_Slams he/him Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 Why doesn't anyone want BENDALLOY!?!?
Oudeis he/him Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) 5.5 hours, and just barely more than a thousand dollars to the next exclusive. We've had surges that big in the past; can we pull off one more? EDIT: ninja'd by the campaign. Just under a thousand, in the time it took me to write that last sentence. Edited January 24, 2015 by Oudeis
Kaymyth she/her Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 We're now less than $600 to the third exclusive die. We're gonna make it! Why doesn't anyone want BENDALLOY!?!? I do. Not for any particularly logical reason, or to fill out any quadrants, but just because I think that bendalloy is cool. YMMV
Oudeis he/him Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 (edited) Four more hours and less than $100 to a third Exclusive. Edited January 25, 2015 by Oudeis
Kaymyth she/her Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 (edited) Four more hours and less than $100 to a third Exclusive. And we JUST hit it. Turned over right before my eyes. ....and it dropped back down again? It's going BACKWARDS now. I blame Ruin. Edited January 25, 2015 by Kaymyth
WeiryWriter he/him Posted January 25, 2015 Author Posted January 25, 2015 And in between reading Oudeis' post and going back to check y'all hit it. (it was at 39,996 for a bit...) Edit: and now it dropped back under... Why?
Oudeis he/him Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 Mine has it currently over. I'm guessing people pledged more than $20 to help out, are now realizing their help wasn't needed, and are reducing their pledges back to $20? Regardless, I'm sure in the next four hours it'll level off north of $40K. On to $45K? For my fourth metal I'd add aluminum to match the duralumin I want as number 3.
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