Mid-Range Game 4: The Alethi War of Unification

[Kasimir he/him]

Seriously, I've been saying it. Lynch me if you want to. But, according to Kas's scenario, what you find out will mean that means Wilson is lying. I'm pretty sure I believe Wilson at this point. I don't want that once you find out my alignment to just assume that Wilson is a spy. 

...you do realise that we'd have reason to believe Wilson is a Spy/lying (on my proposal; I'm currently considering Wilson's point) only if you turn out to be a Spy upon your lynch? Is this what you're telling us now? That you're a Spy? Because I'm not quite following what you're getting at there.

[Kasimir he/him]

Understood, Odysa. If it comes to that, then I'm sorry, for what it's worth.
 
Wilson: I see what you mean. Yeah, that would be a gap--except that truth to be told, I don't know about your preferred strategies as an Eliminator. I'm neither Joe, nor Aonar, nor Meta, nor Gamma--all of whom have the capacity to tell what your strategies are like. As opposed to what your perceptions of your strategies are. Clearly, the Village made a bad trade last cycle, but we are what we are, and we work with what we've got.
 
I can't tell what you're pushing me towards or if you are pushing me towards something at all. Quite frankly, I no longer care. I'm just going to look at the tactical ramifications because I can neither choose between the Trifecta of Doom, nor am I particularly keen on Odysa's guilt, seeing as how pretty much everyone and their grandmother's been pushing that, which seems to me to suggest that Odysa isn't particularly guilty. It seems like a choice between two bad lynches to me, and the only one that I can see that would be potentially less damaging, and still a little informative is if I choose to go with Odysa as compared to picking between Macen, Joe, and Alv.
 
If you've a good argument for which I should pick, I'll listen. Otherwise, I'm going with the least bad in a world of bad choices. Again, Odysa, I am truly sorry.

[little wilson she/her]

Frankly, Odysa, I really hope you're being honest, because it seems like my fate is now tied to yours. Which is something I supremely disapprove of.

 

I can't tell what you're pushing me towards or if you are pushing me towards something at all. Quite frankly, I no longer care. I'm just going to look at the tactical ramifications because I can neither choose between the Trifecta of Doom, nor am I particularly keen on Odysa's guilt, seeing as how pretty much everyone and their grandmother's been pushing that, which seems to me to suggest that Odysa isn't particularly guilty. It seems like a choice between two bad lynches to me, and the only one that I can see that would be potentially less damaging, and still a little informative is if I choose to go with Odysa as compared to picking between Macen, Joe, and Alv.

 

What I said is something you can verify in the evil docs. There's not time right now to read through all 3 of them, but for those who have read through at least one or two of them (or who, even better, were either GMing (Alv) or on my team (Aonar and Joe)), you already know. Do I do risky gambits that could expose me? Yes. Do I do incredibly risky gambits that do expose me and have a high chance of killing me and one of my teammates? No. So much no. But don't take my word for it. Ask them.

 

However, if you're really keen on doing this, fine. Macen. Odysa. I hope you realize, though, this this isn't going to work. And I don't mean that her being evil is going to get me lynched. While that's true, I mean on the chance she's good, you're still not going to believe me. You can say otherwise, but you're trying so hard to not trust me just in case I'm bad that there isn't anything that can happen beyond my death and confirmation of alignment that will assure in your mind that I'm good. So it really doesn't matter who dies right now. I'm still dead in the next lynch.

 

EDIT: I seem to have forgotten that both Maill and Jasnah would also know.

EDIT2: I also quoted the wrong paragraph. Oops.  I meant this one: 

Wilson: I see what you mean. Yeah, that would be a gap--except that truth to be told, I don't know about your preferred strategies as an Eliminator. I'm neither Joe, nor Aonar, nor Meta, nor Gamma--all of whom have the capacity to tell what your strategies arelike. As opposed to what your perceptions of your strategies are. Clearly, the Village made a bad trade last cycle, but we are what we are, and we work with what we've got.

[Kasimir he/him]

What I said is something you can verify in the evil docs. There's not time right now to read through all 3 of them, but for those who have read through at least one or two of them (or who, even better, were either GMing (Alv) or on my team (Aonar and Joe)), you already know. Do I do risky gambits that could expose me? Yes. Do I do incredibly risky gambits that do expose me and have a high chance of killing me and one of my teammates? No. So much no. But don't take my word for it. Ask them.

 

However, if you're really keen on doing this, fine. Macen. Odysa. I hope you realize, though, this this isn't going to work. And I don't mean that her being evil is going to get me lynched. While that's true, I mean on the chance she's good, you're still not going to believe me. You can say otherwise, but you're trying so hard to not trust me just in case I'm bad that there isn't anything that can happen beyond my death and confirmation of alignment that will assure in your mind that I'm good. So it really doesn't matter who dies right now. I'm still dead in the next lynch.

 

EDIT: I seem to have forgotten that both Maill and Jasnah would also know.

That's why I'm trying to hang around and buy time in the hopes that someone a lot more qualified to figure out what the storms to make of this mess than me can come in and conclusively decide who to place that vote on. As you say; Alv, Aonar, Joe, Maili, or Jasnah. I suspect my only hope will be if Alv or Maili shows up since Joe and Aonar already pretty much mentioned they won't be able to handle this.

What more do you want? I'm really not able to make a decision about you and I know next to nothing about Joe except from hearsay. I don't think Alv is lying, but this is my impression of Alv from LG5 and he's done lots of stuff since then. As I said, I'm willing to grant you the point on your strategy--or rather, I'm willing to grant that the cavalry are hopefully in a better position to assess that than I can. It's unfortunately going to be a close lynch, and the sad thing is that as Luckat pointed out, by the time it got to this stage, the only thing we could do is to pick between the three people who're basically up for a lynch. We don't have the time or numbers, practically speaking, to lynch anyone who isn't Joe, Macen, or Odysa.

You yourself admitted that we're pretty much uncertain about whether to hit Macen or Joe, and we know that one of them (or Alv) is the Surgeon. If you want me to be frank and honest, then the only reason why I'm especially wary now is that Luckat has made a good point about how we've ended up being pushed in a corner to vote for one of our Lighteyes. And I don't like that at all when we could be shooting our only Surgeon. Still, I suppose that we only have a 1/3rd chance that we'd kill our Surgeon if we look for that Officer. So maybe that's a worthwhile risk. Maybe I'm too risk-averse.

At my most cynical and pragmatic, I'd still rather buy us some time to actually adjudicate between the Surgeon-Not!Officer-Swordsman claims, to press Alv and Joe and Macen at greater length tomorrow, and that can't be done if we choose to shoot the guy claiming to be our Surgeon this Week. As I've said, at this point, I'm content to just tie up the votes and to let someone else who actually knows what the Braize is going on make the decision. Maybe it's cowardly, but I really am not keen on helping us try for our Surgeon. And I was serious; if you're pretty sure you know who's lying, and can explain that to me, I'll cast my vote accordingly, no question of trust involved. My current problem is that Macen's had answers for everything so far, while I just can't make anything out of Joe. The only thing that would push me to Macen over Joe, ultimately, would have to be gut feeling. Do you really want me to join in and bring on a lynch of our claimed Surgeon on the basis of a gut feeling? Because sure, just say the word, and I'll do it, then.

[little wilson she/her]

True, we could kill our Surgeon. Or we could kill the Officer. I'm looking at it exactly as you said: We have a 1/3 chance of killing the Surgeon, but as long as we don't just shoot blindly, the odds of hitting the Surgeon are slim. So the point is to find the Officer. With that in mind, here's the way I'm seeing things (and I'd really prefer not to state things like this, because...well. You'll see):

 

Alv never claimed any role. All he said was that he was not the Officer. Then he placed a vote on Macen. Shortly after that, Macen stated he was the Surgeon. Despite having plenty of time to remove that vote, Alv hasn't. Joe also came on and claimed he was the Swordsman, which fits with what I thought the roles were for the lighteyes. 2 Swordmen, 2 Officers, 1 Wit, and 1 Surgeon. If Alv is the Swordsman, he should've switched his vote to Joe. He didn't. Which seems to indicate to me that Alv is the real Surgeon. Hence why he's kept his vote on Macen. Unless Alv is a spy (which I really doubt he'd come forward with his heterochromia if he were), the spy is Macen. Alv is the one with all the pieces to this puzzle. And we know how good he is at putting together puzzles.

[Kasimir he/him]

True, we could kill our Surgeon. Or we could kill the Officer. I'm looking at it exactly as you said: We have a 1/3 chance of killing the Surgeon, but as long as we don't just shoot blindly, the odds of hitting the Surgeon are slim. So the point is to find the Officer. With that in mind, here's the way I'm seeing things (and I'd really prefer not to state things like this, because...well. You'll see):

 

Alv never claimed any role. All he said was that he was not the Officer. Then he placed a vote on Macen. Shortly after that, Macen stated he was the Surgeon. Despite having plenty of time to remove that vote, Alv hasn't. Joe also came on and claimed he was the Swordsman, which fits with what I thought the roles were for the lighteyes. 2 Swordmen, 2 Officers, 1 Wit, and 1 Surgeon. If Alv is the Swordsman, he should've switched his vote to Joe. He didn't. Which seems to indicate to me that Alv is the real Surgeon. Hence why he's kept his vote on Macen. Unless Alv is a spy (which I really doubt he'd come forward with his heterochromia if he were), the spy is Macen. Alv is the one with all the pieces to this puzzle. And we know how good he is at putting together puzzles.

Just one last question (one last qualm, if you will), Wilson, and then I will stop. In QF4, I suggested that Aonar was fakeclaiming Nurse. You said, and I quote, "Nurse would be a really hard role to claim, especially if he hasn’t converted both Renegade’s."

...So, what changed? How does Macen suddenly become an Officer Spy here?

[Wyrmhero he/him]

...This is going to be one of those right-up-to-the-minute Cycles again, isn't it?

 

One and a half hours left before Cycle's end.

[little wilson she/her]

Just one last question (one last qualm, if you will), Wilson, and then I will stop. In QF4, I suggested that Aonar was fakeclaiming Nurse. You said, and I quote, "Nurse would be a really hard role to claim, especially if he hasn’t converted both Renegade’s."

...So, what changed? How does Macen suddenly become an Officer Spy here?

 

I don't see how these are exclusive.... I'm familiar with Aonar's gambits. At least somewhat. Granted, it's been a while since we were on Team Evil together, but I remember the gambit he pulled. It was risky, but we had the parts necessary to make it work, as long as Peng and his Trusted Circle were gullible/trusting enough to fall for it. In QF4, I couldn't see him claiming to be the Nurse unless he had both the Renegades, just to ensure that no one got attacked that he was supposed to be "protecting."

 

I don't know Macen's evil playstyle. I don't know the gambits he would take. All I know is what I'm seeing. And I'm seeing Alv, who has all the pieces in this lighteyes puzzle, voting for Macen, when he's had plenty of time to switch that vote. If he hasn't, it means he has reason to believe Macen is lying. And the biggest reason I can see would be if Alv were the Surgeon. Another person claiming Surgeon would then look very suspicious.

[Kasimir he/him]

I don't see how these are exclusive.... I'm familiar with Aonar's gambits. At least somewhat. Granted, it's been a while since we were on Team Evil together, but I remember the gambit he pulled. It was risky, but we had the parts necessary to make it work, as long as Peng and his Trusted Circle were gullible/trusting enough to fall for it. In QF4, I couldn't see him claiming to be the Nurse unless he had both the Renegades, just to ensure that no one got attacked that he was supposed to be "protecting."

 

I don't know Macen's evil playstyle. I don't know the gambits he would take. All I know is what I'm seeing. And I'm seeing Alv, who has all the pieces in this lighteyes puzzle, voting for Macen, when he's had plenty of time to switch that vote. If he hasn't, it means he has reason to believe Macen is lying. And the biggest reason I can see would be if Alv were the Surgeon. Another person claiming Surgeon would then look very suspicious.

...Fair enough. I was reading it more as a general condemnation of Nurse-gambits rather than one localised to Aonar, so I was rather puzzled by the seeming inconsistency in your stance. Consider me convinced. Odysa. Macen.

[little wilson she/her]

...Fair enough. I was reading it more as a general condemnation of Nurse-gambits rather than one localised to Aonar, so I was rather puzzled by the seeming inconsistency in your stance. Consider me convinced. Odysa. Macen.

 

Ah. Yeah. Personally, I am rather hesitant to try doctor gambits, but that just goes back to what I've already said: I don't like doing gambits that have a very high risk of exposing me and likely killing me. Which I can see that type of gambit doing. Aonar seems similar in that respect. But just because I don't like doing those particular gambits doesn't mean other people don't like doing them. That's why they're gambits in the first place: because someone tried it and was successful at it. Heck, even if they weren't successful, it's still a gambit.

 

Consider me convinced too. Macen (I'm not sure who I was voting for before)

You hadn't voted for anyone yet. This is your first vote.

 

Odysa. Macen. Unless Alv gets on and says something that invalidates my logic, that's where it's staying.

[Alvron]

One thing Kas.  Odysa claimed to be role blocked and said that they were sent to the latrines before anyone else.  If they weren't role blocked then how did they know about being sent to clean the latrines?  That part told me that Wilson was telling the truth about targeting Odysa.

 

And Wilson is right.  I am a surgeon.  I didn't reveal it as I wanted to see what the others claimed.  I admit that I am unsure if we have two surgeons or two swordsmen.

[little wilson she/her]

From what I know about the balancing, it seems most likely that we have two regular lighteyes, one evil (Jain) and one good (Joe), two officers--also one evil and one good--, and 1 each of Wit and Surgeon. If we'd had enough players for a sixth lighteye, I'm not sure if Wyrm would've thrown in another Swordsman or a Surgeon, but it would've been one of those (and then the other for a seventh). My reasoning is that the Surgeon is the most powerful protective ability, and we already have the guardsman. So one Surgeon, and two Guardsmen. I'm betting one of the guardsmen is evil.

[Kasimir he/him]

One thing Kas.  Odysa claimed to be role blocked and said that they were sent to the latrines before anyone else.  If they weren't role blocked then how did they know about being sent to clean the latrines?  That part told me that Wilson was telling the truth about targeting Odysa.

Again, a fair point. Well, let's do this then. I am definitely happy about an alternative that doesn't involve Odysa being lynched.

 

Edit to address: Wilson: Aye, but quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

Edited December 8, 2014 by Kasimir

[luckat she/her]

From what I can tell, this is how the votes stand right now:

Marand (1): Reihmer

Odysa (2): Mek, Newan

Ace (5): Norlav, Eoldren, Jost, Odysa, Kenara

Jost (3): Aonaran, Ace, Torwel

Karlin (1): Kaddar

Reihmer (1): Marand

(Kaddar, I don't think you retracted your vote for Karlin.)

Also, yes I used the lighteye vote on Jasnah, so the tie is accounted for.

I hope we're not lynching our Surgeon. At this point, I think I trust Alv more than Ace, but I'm still uneasy. It could go either way. There's not much more coordination we can do with protection at this point in the cycle. Hopefully the spy kill will be blocked.

Wilson's analysis of lighteye roles matches what I had already thought, but we probably don't want to put too much stock into what seems balanced when there could be other less symmetric ways of balancing.

[Kasimir he/him]

Yikes! Best to be safe then, thanks for pointing it out, Luckat. Karlin. Odysa. Joe. Anyone who I might've inadvertently lit up in red and forgotten about and who isn't Macen. And once again, Macen.

[Macen he/him]

Well, I guess I will be seeing you all later. Sorry that you are losing a surgeon to the claims of someone saying they are TWO things we can't prove. You know I'm lighteyes, you just don't know I'm the surgeon. You know Alvron is none of the above for certain. Adios guys.

[little wilson she/her]

I'm not withdrawing. That's exactly what Macen wants. He's counting on us thinking that we're being too hasty and switching the vote back to you or Joe or anyone who isn't him. The logic is sound, though. It's either Macen or Alv, and what it comes down to is Alv's heterochromia. If Alv was a spy, why would he reveal himself as the heterochromic? That makes no sense. He's far better suited mingled in with the darkeyes, if he's actually a heterochromic spy. And if he's not heterochromic, then why hasn't the real heterochromic come forward? I'm pretty sure by this point, everyone's checked the thread since Alvron revealed that. They've at least all been online. My gut is saying that Alvron is true, and if Alvron is true, Macen has to be lying.

[Kasimir he/him]

See, the thing that Macen hasn't yet accounted for is one thing.

 

...It's that after spending most of the day worrying at the issue, I'm frankly too tired to give a chull any longer, particularly at this point of the cycle. Luckat did help me avoid the awkwardness of inadvertently causing a no lynch though, thank goodness

[Macen he/him]

I don't expect people to withdraw their votes. I honestly didn't think three of you would respond before the cycle ended. It will end how it is and that's ok. It's been an interesting game, thanks Wyrm.

[Newan he/him]

Wilson, I just hope your gut isn't a darkfriend.

[little wilson she/her]

Wilson, I just hope your gut isn't a darkfriend.

 

I'm no Dellan.

 

However, the cycle's almost over. In case I die, I roleblocked Araris.

[Wyrmhero he/him]

This Cycle is over!

 

You have chosen...

haven't you?

[Wyrmhero he/him]

Week 5

An unusual sight greeted Dalinar when he arrived at the command tent today. Usually his Lighteyes waited for his presence to start arguing, but today it sounded as though they'd decided to get on with it early. If only they had started earlier still, and he didn't have to be here to hear any of it.

"I'm telling you, it's that damned Darkeyed woman. What's her name..."

"Odysa?" Brightness Kenara suggested, looking through the list of prime suspects that the five of them had compiled together before her.

Brightlord Kaddar snapped his fingers. "Yes, that's it," he said, grinning a little. "I mean... It only makes sense that they'd use women to spy on us, wouldn't it? They need people who can write!"

Kenara rapped her pen on the desk irritably. "Are you suggesting that I might be one, Brightlord Kaddar?"

"Well, that makes sense too!" Kaddar declared cheerfully. "I mean, who else sees so much of what Dalinar... plans..." he trailed off as he saw Kenara's withering gaze. Clearly she was not amused. "Okay, maybe not then. But I still think that she's a good place to start."

"I disagree," Brightlord Ace said, shaking his head. "I fear that Jain was not the only one lying about his true loyalties here." His eyes flickered over to Brightlord Jost, then back to Kaddar. "Some people seem to protest a little too much."

Jost stirred from his seat. "Are you suggesting what I think you are suggesting, Ace?" He was not in a good mood. Firstly, there was Tal, sitting opposite him. And now he was being forced to talk to Ace. Four weeks in close proximity to one another had not made that any easier.

"Perhaps I am," Ace said, turning back to face him. "Sometimes I wonder if the real reason you're annoyed with our young friend here is just because you wanted to take that blade back to your master. Which is it? Roion? Vamah?"

Jost stood up at such a speed and force that it knocked the small table between them all over, Kenara's papers scattering in every direction. "The only one I serve is Highprince Dalinar!" He said, staring Ace right in the eyes. "I challenge you to a duel, Brightlord Ace, unless you're too cowardly to face me."

The room went silent, all of the Lighteyes, Dalinar included, looking at Ace. He looked away. "I apologise, Brightlord Jost. I went too far."

"No?" Jost looked down at him, his voice filled with a mixture of curiosity and some small amount of elation. "I don't think that's what the problem is... You two, seize him!"

Kaddar and Tal each took an arm, though Ace did not attempt to escape. He looked up at Jost. "You can't be serious, Jost. You think me a Spy just because I insulted you? As I always do?"

"It is claimed that someone is interfering with our orders," Dalinar said, as he finally made his presence known. "If that is true, then it can only really be one of you five from this list," he said, reaching over Kenara to tap the paper, assuming it to be the correct one. "Six, perhaps, if that damned half-Darkeyed soldier is still messing about and pretending to be one of us."

"Dalinar, sir," Ace said, looking to him. He wrenched his arm out of Tal's grasp, the boy not having as much strength as a more finely trained Lighteyed soldier, and then looked at Kaddar, who dropped his arm without question. Ace stood up, and walked over to the desk. "Let me prove my loyalty to you."

*

Two days later, Ace was beginning to think that was a bad idea. Leading the assault on Prince Roion's troops, he was fine with. It would be a fierce battle, with glory and renown for all, even the dead. No, what he was less fine with was the fact that he had only been given a Darkeyes equipment - a spear and some rather shoddy leather to protect himself with.

He was also somewhat worried by the fact that Brightlord Kaddar was the one who was actually giving the orders. The man was clearly as sane as Jost was angry. Still, there had to be a reason, whatever that might have been.

Brightlord Kaddar gave the order to advance, and Ace and the rest of his troops (for he still commanded a respectable force, despite his poorly equipped status) obeyed the order. They hit Prince Roion's troops like the Weeping - calmly, but with a slow sense of inevitability.

It wasn't a battle as Ace was used to. Not with this unfamiliar weapon, or this close to the actual front of the battle. Not with the shoulder-to-shoulder advance of his fellow soldier, just one man in the mass of spears that stabbed towards their foe.

A cry came from somewhere nearby. "Archers!" Their foe retreated, clearly wary of being caught in the oncoming rain of arrows. They pushed to close the gap, but Ace stayed behind. He looked up, across the battlefield. Prince Roion's archers were meant to be the best in all the princedoms. But even so, he could barely see them, so far away on the horizon. Surely they couldn't hit anything from that dist-

"Get down!" He was tackled from the side, and hit the floor rolling, an armoured spearman falling on top of him as arrows pelted their position. The man stood up quickly, picking an arrow out of the back of his armour where it had only slightly penetrated. "Crazy Lighteyes," Ace could hear him mutter as he disappeared back off into the fray.

*

Kaddar couldn't see what was so bad about the spear as a weapon. It was not a Lighteye's weapon, that was true, but it had one redeeming feature - all the fighting was done on the other end of it - that is, not right in front of him. It lessened the Thrill a little, made it easier to keep a clear head, and not be swallowed up by adrenalin.

"Report?" he asked, not looking up from or halting in the writing of his letter as a runner entered the command tent.

"The left flank is suffering, sir," the young man reported, saluting in what he probably thought was a smart manner. "Many of their Officers have been killed by Prince Roion's archers, and they are in disarray."

"I see," Kaddar nodded, as he continued to write his letter. He should probably get on to that, but a few seconds wouldn't matter all that much.

The runner stood there, waiting, until Kaddar finished his letter, pressing his seal to the envelope and sealing it from all eyes. He threw on his set of armour and grabbed his spear from where it lay against the tent's wall. "Very well, let's go and see the damage." But not too close, of course. He didn't want to become a target, just like his officers were.

The runner took him a short distance from the front on the left flank, where his forces were apparently now weakest. But as far as he could tell from where he could see, the command structure was still in place.

Suspicions went through his mind, and he turned to the runner, but too late. As he did, a knife twisted into his side, cutting through the armour as though it were no thicker than paper. But as far as he could tell, it was not an especially dangerous wound.

"Oh, damnation," the runner muttered, a little less irritated than Kaddar would have expected, taking out another knife. "They said they'd replaced your armour, all I had to do was stab you. Well, I'll just do it again, while no-one's looking. If anyone asks, I stabbed you once, alright?"

Kaddar raised his spear, his other hand at his side. The messenger smirked a little and pushed against the spearhead with his dagger. The wood cracked a little, and then the spearhead fell off, as rot was revealed beneath. "Just try to die quickly and quietly."

"Brightlord, sir!"

The messenger turned slightly to look at the source. A few soldiers were running to his rescue. Kaddar took the opportunity and pulled the dagger out of his side, holding it between him and his would-be killer and discarding his damaged spear.

The runner scowled. "Next time, your Brightlordiness," he promised, as he ran off, away from Kaddar's saviours.


Ace was lynched, but saved by a Guardsman!

Ace (6): Jost Joslin, Eoldren, Norlav, Kenara, Odysa, Kaddar
Jost Joslin (3): Torwel, Ace, Aonar Faialen
Odysa (2): Newan, Mek
Marand (1): Reihmer
Reihmer (1): Marand

Kaddar was wounded in the Skirmish, but saved by a Guardsman!

It seems the army is deep within Prince Roion's territory, as at the end of the week, there will be a Battle against Prince Roion.

The Cycle will end at 8 PM on Wednesday.
 

 

Player List
Darkeyes:
Damon Shan, Worldhopper [Jasnah Damodred]
Norlav, a mercenary drafted by the Blackthorn [Alvron]
Wok, a Horneater princess serving the Blackthorn [Ashiok] - Messenger
Reihmer, a bad ketek poet [Renegade]
Newan, a failed (and failing) Envisager [Newan]
Odysa of Shao, a former-assassin turned mercenary [Winter Cloud]
Karlin, a Jah Keved Purelaker [surgebound Rainspren]
Aonaran Faialen, a wannabe musician [Aonar Faileas]
Marand, no further description [Mailliw73]
Mek, a defector from Highprince Yenev's army [mckeedee123]
Alinel Lenia, Horneater exile, second son [Araris Valerian]
Torwel, reluctant conscript, wants ale [twelfthrootoftwo]
Eoldren, guy with a sweet tooth and a grudge [Eolhondras]
Meller, a bridge builder for the Blackthorn [Metacognition] - Watchman

Lighteyes:
Kaddar, a one-eyed veteran spearman with a fondness for riddles. [Kasimir]
Kenara, a scribe for the Blackthorn [little wilson]
Jain, a possibly-resurrected Shin traveller with a panda [Lightsworn Panda] - Swordsman
Jost Joslin, a soldier who never had a Shardblade [The Only Joe]
Ace, a guy with an oversized mallet and a talisman [Macen]
Tal, an enthusiastic young recruit and Shardblade wielder [luckat]

Edited June 19, 2016 by Alvron

[Newan he/him]

This means that Macen is bad and his teammate is a bad guardsman, right? Does that mean Luckat should chop Macen into little pieces?

If we choose this route, we should wait until Macen is dead before we consider lynching Odysa. If we kill Macen and he is the bad officer, Odysa is much less likely to be bad.

Also, this means Kaddar is definitely good, right?

[Macen he/him]

I lived? Interesting. I don't see how Kaddar being good/bad is any different than myself being Good/Bad? Well, the spies have convinced you to spend another cycle wasting a vote to lynch me. I'll go ahead and start it Ace.