Long Game 113: The Thaylen City Council

[The Unknown Character he/him]

11 minutes ago, Illwei said:

I also don't particularly want the deposition, but anyone can trigger it. If TUC is going to then we will find out. 

Personally I don't want people knowing my loyalty. I dont. I really don't wanna end up getting converted please please don't do it i am begging

This is a point

Village people who can affect loyalty should boost Illwei. Cause either they're an elim and boosting their loyalty screws their plan or they're village and boosting them keeps them village cause we don't want to deal with e!wei

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

6 minutes ago, Mint11 said:

this is a great way of convincing the elims not to convert you

You don't know that

It might work

[Cuendillar He/him]

Seriously, y'all? I mean, I did sign up for this, but still...

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

Just now, The Unknown Character said:

This is a point

Village people who can affect loyalty should boost Illwei. Cause either they're an elim and boosting their loyalty screws their plan or they're village and boosting them keeps them village cause we don't want to deal with e!wei

That's true Illwei just lowkey claimed to us

Unless there's mind games involved here

Also, side note

1 minute ago, The Unknown Character said:

e!wei

Is this another of your puns?

Just now, Cuendillar said:

Seriously, y'all? I mean, I did sign up for this, but still...

Ha

Ha

Ha

Actually hot dang

That's crazy I've only been PMed by like four people

Didn't do any PMs myself this game, I don't know why just didn't really feel like it

[Wahrheitswächter He/Him]

3 hours ago, Ascended Grubberfly said:

“shhhh! If you out my old age, no one will see me as the cunning youth wise beyond his years!”

Dvalk nodded grimly as Ralm finished his statement. “Choose humanity, or choose business. Or is humanity siding with the singers?”

Dvalk was not trained in the ways of the court. He watched others throw accusations and deflections as if they didn’t have to think. Too much for an ol— young untrained soul like him.

"Of course, a youth wise beyond his years, thats what you are. I think the choice is between business and Loyalty. A nasty choice if you ask me, I feels inherently wrong to join Odium, but what will Thaylenah be, when there nearly no friendly harbors for us to sail to."

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

7 minutes ago, Cuendillar said:

Seriously, y'all? I mean, I did sign up for this, but still...

Oh yeah, should have warned you. If there's open PM's you need to change your notification settings. There's a reason I often have restrictions on PMs.

Mostly goodjob on redacting the info, but some info can still be gleaned from the length of the redacted name and the amount of messages in the email.

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

3 minutes ago, Wahrheitswächter said:

"Of course, a youth wise beyond his years, thats what you are. I think the choice is between business and Loyalty. A nasty choice if you ask me, I feels inherently wrong to join Odium, but what will Thaylenah be, when there nearly no friendly harbors for us to sail to."

Tshanin was on his way to Fickle when he recognized Dvalk's voice, and following it, heard the final snippets of the conversation. He opened his mouth, considered for a moment, and then stepped in.

"Excuse me," he said. He stretched out an open hand to the stranger. "I'm Tshanin, Vitiv's successor. I couldn't help but notice your discussion. Would you truly consider willingly giving up our freedom - our most valuable treasure, our lifeblood - for fear of uncertain waters ahead?" He tried not to let slip what he truly thought of the idea - cowardice - hiding it behind a smile that tried to say he was half-joking.

Just now, Jo and the Bush said:

Oh yeah, should have warned you. If there's open PM's you need to change your notification settings. There's a reason I often have restrictions on PMs.

Mostly goodjob on redacting the info, but some info can still be gleaned from the length of the redacted name and the amount of messages in the email.

Yes

Like the fact that Wahr is more popular than me for some reason

[Mat he/him]

Hey sorry for being MIA (except in PMs) but I'm here now and I'll be here for a few hours

4 hours ago, Asriel said:

@Illwei Both Hoid and Mystfall said pregame they wanted to be Elims. Is it such a stretch to assume that if given the chance they would skew the odds to shoot for the mavset-im role?

Edit: A role that is guaranteed to be an Elim?

It's a very shaky idea to base a vote off of something like this. I think it was clarified by Joe, don't remember, but I highly doubt he'd just get to choose his own alignment like that.

4 hours ago, Mystfall said:

Oh I did.

Didnt work out though

fwiw this is NAI leaning villager for me

4 hours ago, Illwei said:

I do think that TUC is a Villager here. 

I would like to see @Mat's thoughts on Myst before I say mine myself. 

Agreed on TUC. I dunno how I feel about the depo (instinctively I'm against it but I echo all the people who said w/e cause it's gonna happen anyway)

Thoughts have changed, but initially it was a combination of his weird distro thoughts (trying to discredit the idea of Mavest-im existing, overshooting likely elim numbers) with performy vibes (telling the highguards to be careful very publicly, etc) but tbh I wanted to see how he'd react to the vote (I didn't know he had just been C1d, if that means anything) and I think it's quite interesting a train built up behind me that quickly. If I had to say I think that his reaction was more green than red.

3 hours ago, Ascended Grubberfly said:

Illwei 

Can you explain this please?

3 hours ago, Mystfall said:

Will admit that I am concerned that it’s been 14 hours and there’s already 4 votes on me alone. 

Mystfall

3 hours ago, Hoid Slayer said:

I highly recommend all villagers with negative loyalty simply spend their actions to increase it until it is resolved. I don’t think further incentivizing is really needed. Village wants to stop all possible Depositions. This is the way. That ought to be enough incentive, I think

The other thing is we could all see if we can agree to unanimously increase loyalty this cycle

C1 actions, to be honest, rarely do much, and if we’re ever gonna do this now is the time with the least risk

Agreed, though I think suggesting that everyone do it is futile. It might be a logically sound idea but there's always gonna be that one guy who doesn't.

3 hours ago, Ascended Grubberfly said:

Why do you say Whimsy and Asriel are village?

Their only action is voting Myst. If Myst flips elim I would agree that Asriel is village, but Whimsy doesn't sound cleared just yet.

Myst being elim wouldn't clear anyone that fast, especially C1. It's prime territory for distancing.

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Reads:
V: Wahr, TUC, Asriel
E: Mist, Ink, Twin

I don't hate the Mist train but I'll vote Ink for the sake of a second option. I don't love how they started the cycle by sorta just answering generic rule questions and then immediately hopped on the e!Myst idea. And I think that the people pushing e!TUC are just trying to go for an easy option.

@Archer based for only posting vote counts but any other thoughts you'd like to share?

Edited Thursday at 07:59 PM by Mat

[TwinStorm He/Him]

25 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Unlike poor Illwei, I do want to be converted

Elims, you heard it here

 

welp now we know who to vote out C3  : P

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

3 minutes ago, Mat said:

(except in PMs)

(Not mine for some reason)

 

1 minute ago, TwinStorm said:

welp now we know who to vote out C3  : P

I dare you to try

[TwinStorm He/Him]

8 minutes ago, Mat said:

Hey sorry for being MIA (except in PMs) but I'm here now and I'll be here for a few hours

It's a very shaky idea to base a vote off of something like this. I think it was clarified by Joe, don't remember, but I highly doubt he'd just get to choose his own alignment like that.

fwiw this is NAI leaning villager for me

Agreed on TUC. I dunno how I feel about the depo (instinctively I'm against it but I echo all the people who said w/e cause it's gonna happen anyway)

Thoughts have changed, but initially it was a combination of his weird distro thoughts (trying to discredit the idea of Mavest-im existing, overshooting likely elim numbers) with performy vibes (telling the highguards to be careful very publicly, etc) but tbh I wanted to see how he'd react to the vote (I didn't know he had just been C1d, if that means anything) and I think it's quite interesting a train built up behind me that quickly. If I had to say I think that his reaction was more green than red.

Can you explain this please?

Mystfall

Agreed, though I think suggesting that everyone do it is futile. It might be a logically sound idea but there's always gonna be that one guy who doesn't.

Myst being elim wouldn't clear anyone that fast, especially C1. It's prime territory for distancing.

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Reads:
V: Wahr, TUC, Asriel
E: Mist, Ink, Twin

I don't hate the Mist train but I'll vote Ink for the sake of a second option. I don't love how they started the cycle by sorta just answering generic rule questions and then immediately hopped on the e!Myst idea. And I think that the people pushing e!TUC are just trying to go for an easy option.

@Archer based for only posting vote counts but any other thoughts you'd like to share?

I think I missed smth here, why do you think I'm elim?

[Mat he/him]

1 minute ago, TwinStorm said:

I think I missed smth here, why do you think I'm elim?

You didn't miss anything, I didn't explain it

 

[KeyFox]

1 minute ago, Mat said:

You didn't miss anything, I didn't explain it

 

why then?

Also, hi, I'm here now

 

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

1 minute ago, Mat said:

You didn't miss anything, I didn't explain it

 

Aura

[TwinStorm He/Him]

1 minute ago, Mat said:

You didn't miss anything, I didn't explain it

 

care to explain then?

Just now, Hoid Slayer said:

Aura

yeah lwk tuff

[Mat he/him]

Alright fine (I was already writing this before you guys asked lol):

• First two posts of the cycle give me elim-trying-to-look-active-and-good vibes
• In general I think that trying to attribute certain roles to the elim team doesn't work and can get dangerous, so I'd give slight negative points there. It's a good way to do analysis that doesn't actually help, but looks impressive.
• Lightly supported e!Myst to me in PMs in a very noncommittal sort of way (like, no sign of that in the thread)

Basically just C1 vibes and I didn't even vote you so idk why it got such a strong reaction.

Also, should I call you Twin or Storm?

6 minutes ago, KeyFox said:

why then?

Also, hi, I'm here now

TwinStorm/KeyFox e/e, the game is solved (kidding)

Hi

What are your thoughts on the game?

[KeyFox]

 

4 minutes ago, Mat said:

TwinStorm/KeyFox e/e, the game is solved (kidding)

lol you got me

[Mat he/him]

Just now, KeyFox said:

lol you got me

Ok but actually that was a real request, what do you think about the game? Myst and Mint for example, what are your reads on them? Any other thoughts about other people would be great too

[Illwei]

15 minutes ago, Mat said:

You didn't miss anything, I didn't explain it.

 

Who is this? Illwei circa 2023??

37 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Unless there's mind games involved here

Me? Mind Games? 

Doesn't sound like something Councilor #6 was raised to do

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

3 minutes ago, Mat said:

Ok but actually that was a real request, what do you think about the game? Myst and Mint for example, what are your reads on them? Any other thoughts about other people would be great too

Actually could say the same for you

The only reads you've given us, unless I'm forgetting something, are Myst and Twin

[Mat he/him]

Just now, Hoid Slayer said:

Actually could say the same for you

The only reads you've given us, unless I'm forgetting something, are Myst and Twin

I mean I wrote out a list and voted on Ink, they didn't all have bulleted reasons but I at least talked about my vote and I think it was decently clear that I'm just sheeping Illwei on TUC :P.

4 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Who is this? Illwei circa 2023??

im evolving

[KeyFox]

I have minor sus on Myst, but other than that I'm not sure. I think that trying to figure out the loyalty ratio so early on doesn't make sense, as I presume that we couldn't lose the deposition vote at this point. That being said, I think that Myst redeems himself with this comment, as I don't think an elim would point this out so early.

15 hours ago, Mystfall said:

Assuming 5 Elims, and if we have 3 high-guards, that’s a(quickly pulls out a calculator) 56% chance the Elims have at least one high guard.

Taking a break now, so I probably won't respond further

Edited Thursday at 08:29 PM by KeyFox

[Asriel He/Him]

Somehow, I'm one of the top posters in this thread lol

[Illwei]

4 minutes ago, KeyFox said:

I have minor sus on Myst, but other than that I'm not sure. I think that trying to figure out the loyalty ratio so early on doesn't make sense, as I presume that we couldn't lose the deposition vote at this point. That being said, I think that Myst redeems himself with this comment, as I don't think an elim would point this out so early.

An Exercise of if you will - 

What do you think that an Elim could gain by posting this? 

What do you think a Villager could gain by voting this? 

 

Edited Thursday at 08:33 PM by Illwei
of -> if

[coco.pudding she/they]

Okay wow y’all yap so much

I’m noticing two main conversations atm, about role distro and deposition so here’s my thoughts on that for now.

Distro: 
There’s definitely a mavset-I’m. Why is this a question? Jo wouldn’t just make a role and then not put it in, especially not a role that’s specifically an elim role and even more especially not a conversion role. There being a conversion is a main motivator for village to keep loyalty up (or down ig if you’re playing to be converted). I genuinely don’t understand why this is a question and has been a topic of so much discussion. And even in the (very) unlikely world that there isn’t one, we should still play as if there is because we won’t know until they flip.

Deposition: 
I don’t think we should do a deposition tonight. I have two reasons for this. One, there is a chance the starting distro is funky enough and/or the elims could pull something and we just lose right there. I don’t particularly want to take that risk. It’s a small risk, yes, but still. Second, I don’t love the idea of mass revealing loyalty. I think that gives the elims more info than it does us, giving them a better idea of who to target as well as how close they are to being able to depose in the future. So I don’t think it’s a particularly good idea. 
I do understand that it’s probably going to happen, but I urge those who are considering introducing the motion to reconsider.

In terms of votes, I’m not quite sure who to vote yet. I’d say I’m looking at TUC and Mint the most atm. I’m also kind of looking at Myst but I’m hesitant to get him out C1 again.