MR77: Cycle One: Diamonds

[Mystic He/Him]

9 minutes ago, The Unknown Character said:

A bit less experienced than Wahr I think, pretty solid grasp of the game though

I’d like to be offended by this, but considering my previous games this is fair

My second game is still probably my best one

[Illwei]

11 minutes ago, The Unknown Character said:

Illwei is a very experienced player, has been in and out of SE, but plays(played?) a lot on Mafia Universe, which is much more hard core than here, hence the intensity 

Haven't played anywhere for a while

Also hey, I thought i was coming in soft !

[The Unknown Character he/him]

3 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Also hey, I thought i was coming in soft !

I mean

For you

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

Hi I'm back. Sorry, you know how it is when you look at your 200 notifications and you "can always read through them tomorrow"

On 7/1/2026 at 7:50 PM, Hoid Slayer said:

Y closed his eyes and allowed himself to be immersed in the rocking of the boat on the waves, the smell of the sea, the light spray tossed up by the wind onto his face. It was cleansing. He opened his eyes.

They had anchored the Ishar's Blessing a ways out from the shore, only Pladel and her most trusted proceeding to the beach. The rowboat had just returned, and now the crew was preparing to move closer. It seemed they would camp on dry land.

Y liked that, and not only because despite his incredible fortitude this last week, he did not yet feel the ocean had truly accepted him. No, there was more to it than that.

The man he had come to kill was unlikely to hide behind the ocean spray.

"Ho, Y!" Y turned to see X waving from another rowboat, this one carrying more supplies than people. "You said you wanted to come early?"

Y rose an arm to wave back eagerly at the experienced sailor, and plastered on a cheerful smile.

"I could use some land to kiss."

The other man barked out a laugh, and Y strode over to join him. X kept talking as Y boarded, and continued as the vessel broke free of the Blessing's shadow, not realizing Y's gaze was fixed firmly on the sand - and beyond it, the cliffs and hills - that rapidly approached.

Patience, father.

...

So, hey guys, remember how I said I read the rules

Yeah... I forgot them already 

Okay quick review

I think we need to keep in mind going into this game it's unique nature

And by that, I mean wincons

My first SE game was MR 72. I don't know how many of you will (or even can) remember it, but it had an element that was somewhat similar to this: each player had a breath, and each cycle, we had to ensure a breath was given up to a Returned. Two failures to give breath would result in a village loss. What we ended up doing was coordinating so two people gave up their breath every cycle, holding them accountable without risking too much.

My first thought was that we could do something like that with the Favour in this game

However, considering how central an element it is in this game and how monitoring it entirely would take away a lot of the fun and mystery from this, I'm not even sure if I support my own idea here

I'm just putting it on the table

Otherwise, I would like to lobby for a Qianweilian exe

X was glad Y had come along. Ever since they first met, they formed a kinship because of their names. X and Y sounded like a match made in heaven.

Either way, X was dead set on getting through this. The treasure on the other side was tantalizing, and he would do whatever he could to get it.

Well, not whatever he could. X saw Y out of the corner of his eye, and smiled.

38 minutes ago, Ascended Grubberfly said:

I don't really have a read on people, but I think Hoid is probably fine. Unless he's just playing me.

@CoderDrag0n8 Coder Whats up in CoderLand?

Sorry guys

34 minutes ago, Qianweilian said:

(don't mention the part where we also entirely forgot to submit a nk)

I disagree. Receiving/not receiving an item could potentially become a very good source of information and analysis. It would also help us not waste favor.

So, while I do think a missing nk could happen, I really doubt this will. It would require a very weird situation where someone is almost guaranteed to be exed, but not for a cycle.

I wonder if it might be worth trying to team with the thief. Maybe later when there's fewer people involved.

There's not much we can do this cycle other than test reactions and throw out votes.

Anyway, just on vibes really, I'm leaning v! Hoid, v!Grub, e!Myst, and unsure about Illwei.

He's coding, obviously.

30 minutes ago, Ascended Grubberfly said:

Probably coding an ORV fangame, or something. All love Coder! 

ORV fangame would be too much work T^T

Too much unexplained stuff

13 minutes ago, The Unknown Character said:

Hi Illwei, I missed you

I just reread to check, there were definitely less people than I thought, but I interpreted Hoid as being anti-coordination, and no one was pro-coordination. That is also exactly the same as the number of people against the exe (Grub and kinda Hoid)

I think we're both fixating, you just chose to fixate on something different so you inflated your fixation's importance mentally

I chose not to engage with the exe discussion cause it always goes the same way and I wouldn't have been saying anything new

I'm going to include a profile of what comes to mind for all the players at the bottom of this post 

Especially after last game, I don't think lack of coaching is a good reason to derp clear. Elim docs just be inactive sometimes. 

He also could have already decided to do something else with his action but still be an officer. It's unlikely but possible

Wouldn't it just be one this cycle? Cause no one is dead? @Archer?

Or is it calculated after the exe for some reason?

Player profile (this is just what comes to my head immediately, sorry if I forget something)

1. @Hoid Slayer as Y, an inexperienced sailor with a positive attitude and a secret. 

Nicknamed Hoid (or Slayerman ) has been around for a decent bit, knows what he's doing. 

2. @Stardust

Nicknamed Star, was Through the Living Star until recently. Pretty new but is getting into the swing of things. People don't seem to care as much these days, but Star is about at the point where we'd stop being worried about killing them early.

3. @The Unknown Character

Incredible at the art of deduction, never an elim, and I hear he's devastatingly handsome

In all seriousness, I'm probably less active than you (Illwei) would remember, though that might change after I leave for Fargo. 

4. @Wahrheitswächter as Ralm the Thaylen Merchant, and Babsk of Essyn, bearing a mistspren, trinkets, and secrets. 

Pretty medium experience for this crew I think. And an excellent co-GM I should add

5. @coco.pudding as Essyn, a Thaylen apprentice looking to prove herself worthy of her family name (which is secret).

A bit more experienced than Wahr (I think), and has scared me with her elim skills a few times. More likely to be an elim when she seems village than the other way around tbh

6. @Mystic as Fickle

A bit less experienced than Wahr I think, pretty solid grasp of the game though

7. @Through the Living Hopper as 1. 

Hopper (formerly That One Worldhopper) is getting fairly experienced. He knows what's going on

8. @Ascended Grubberfly as Darak the Reshi returning home who secretly helped draft pre-written boasts. 

Brand new to SE, first game

9. @Mint11 as Shejun

Returning player as you've noted, joins fairly inconsistently so has only been back for a handful of games

10. @Qianweilian

Generally called Qian. A bit less experienced than Myst I think, just came off an elim game where they did will but not particularly notably so 

11. @CoderDrag0n8 as X, the retired sailor brought along for his experience and his secret weapon. 

Normally called CD or Coder. Probably a few games past when we historically would have been worried about exing him early

12. @Illwei

Illwei is a very experienced player, has been in and out of SE, but plays(played?) a lot on Mafia Universe, which is much more hard core than here, hence the intensity 

13. @|TJ|

Experienced player, has been around longer than me (my first game was run by him actually)

This was nice, helped me sort out my own thoughts about everyone

Edit: Very ninja'd  but tbh I don't really have anything to say in response to any of that so see you in the morning 

Also I am usually RP heavy.

[The Unknown Character he/him]

2 minutes ago, CoderDrag0n8 said:

Hi I'm back. Sorry, you know how it is when you look at your 200 notifications and you "can always read through them tomorrow"

X was glad Y had come along. Ever since they first met, they formed a kinship because of their names. X and Y sounded like a match made in heaven.

Either way, X was dead set on getting through this. The treasure on the other side was tantalizing, and he would do whatever he could to get it.

Well, not whatever he could. X saw Y out of the corner of his eye, and smiled.

Sorry guys

ORV fangame would be too much work T^T

Too much unexplained stuff

Also I am usually RP heavy.

Ah I remember the hundreds of notifications days, back when I did things other than SE and didn't wrestle all day

Yeah, I considered mentioning that, but deciding not to

[Illwei]

18 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

I’m not sure I can say the same, to be honest

Elims definitely want someone to control the thread but if I was in a different mood I’d be doing that too

Your read on me seems to be that I am likely an Elim in your eyes, because I am theoretically controlling the thread? Just clarifying. 

@tuo thoughts on people so far in thread? Sp. Mystic/Grub/Hoid.

I'd also like to counter that I wasn't fixating on the lack of Exe discussion, since about 4 people chimed in to talk about that one through about 6-7 messages, and was a direct topic previous to your post. 

Therefore it wasn't a fixation, just the current topic. Hence my comparing your comment of "everyone" to it. 

I digress

 

[Ascended Grubberfly He/Him]

Alright, final thought before I go to bed. Again, because it didn't save.

Hoid, Qianweilian, and Illwei are all active and contributing. I don't think they're elim unless Illwie is pulling a "talk and sound smart and villiagers listen" strategy, but this may not be the best audience for that strat.

Mystic and TUC are both inactive and not doing much. I'm leaning elim on them because Mystic seems to be inconspicuous, and TUC's thing about coordinating actions doesnt make much sense. No one said anything against the idea iirc, and if elims knew what actions people took they could counter and cause a Rebuke if we aren't careful. He could also be thief, trying to get the Shardblade out of the hold and into play to work on their win con.

3 hours ago, Illwei said:

@The Unknown Character

I don't see why coordinating actions is important. The only thing that should be said aloud in my mind is making sure that whoever has a (the?) letter of endorsement saves it. Also that people should obviously go for the Favourable Items when trying to grab new things from the ship. Again someone correct me if I am misinterpreting the rules here somehow.  

There are ways to replenish Favourable Items, and I don't see the need. Is it possible that somehow no one uses anything tonight? I suppose. But it's unlikely that we trigger the Rebuke this early and I find it unlikely that we would use  up all favorable items doing so. 

I do believe that historically I clash a little with TUO, but I may be wrong about that. So forgive me if my vote of 

The Unknown Character

Is at all premature. 

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Everyone saying not to coordinate is crazy to me. Sure, we probably don't this turn (if you're a Officer, you should probably go for a key and use the Treasure option), but why we would leave our lose condition up to fate? 

I'm really sad there isn't a Shardblade, I came up with a whole plan for a reaction test while reading the rules. I call dibs if it does show up though

This is based on the fact that when looking through the thread he seems to come to the conclusion that "everyone" is talking about not to coordinate.
In fact the only person to say that we shouldn't was me, and not a single person agreed with me as far as I can see. Hoid's first post was about how we might want to coordinate, and even in his response to me he didn't agree or disagree one way or another. 

A misinterpretation of the thread is not something worth voting on, but what is happening here is a higher fixation on someone who has posted twice rather than the rest of the thread. If anything, the thread is dominated by the "should we even have an exe" discussion, but instead he doesn't comment on that being the "crazy" part of thread. 

ED1T: 

Adding onto this: I forgot to mention that this also builds on his entrance into thread: Where he noted simply that he existed and would come back later. Check ins such as those are easy ways for Elims to feel like they are contributing to thread existing without having to say much. It's a way to keep promising more that they don't always follow up with. 

Vague negative read on Hoid for now simply because of how amiable he does seem to every comment. 

Who are all the new players and how long have you been playing? Not necessary to answer me, I just worry about pushing too hard on anyone that might make them shrink back when people are being mildly pretty vocal in thread so far. 

I agree with this^. Just feels weird.

Coder posted as I was writing this, so I have no thoughts on him.

Star is MIA, so lets hope she comes back soon.

Wahr seemed a bit exe hungry, is that out of the ordinary?

Coco hasn't said much, |TJ| hasn't posted, and all I have on Mint11 is that did seem like they wanted someone exed. But again, I don't know if that is unusual.

Hopper poked TJ, but nothing has happened with that.

So, Coder since he's busy and can't respond to the poke, and The Unknown Character. Less a poke, and more I think he's elim leaning.

[Mystic He/Him]

Y’all’s reads are interesting, and somewhat similar(parts of it at least IMO) so I don’t like that. Seems like bandwagoning. Not saying everyone is. But it wouldn’t surprise me if someone is.

Gimme a sec to try and figure out the vc

…

Okay that did not help, 

Anyways, I surprisingly want to vote Grub. He’s doing the exact same thing Archer was doing back in Hoid’s conversion game.

But newbie status says no. As such, I go to people he’s been reading village. 

Qian

Honestly I feel like I have lots of problems with the reads he(grub) just posted.

[Illwei]

10 minutes ago, Ascended Grubberfly said:

Hoid, Qianweilian, and Illwei are all active and contributing. I don't think they're elim unless Illwie is pulling a "talk and sound smart and villiagers listen" strategy, but this may not be the best audience for that strat.

everything about this sentence-

ED1T: 

@Mystic

Are you able to identify what specifically you don't like about his reads? 

Can you also talk about how Elim!PersonA reading PersonB Village would make PersonB an Elim? 

[The Unknown Character he/him]

19 minutes ago, Illwei said:

tuo thoughts on people so far in thread? Sp. Mystic/Grub/Hoid.

Not many. I don't like Grub's post which I'm about to respond to, but it could just be newbie sheeping the high actives. 

You may recall that I'm not great at early suspicions. I'm better than I used to be, but I'm still not going to have much at this level of activity after half a cycle

13 minutes ago, Ascended Grubberfly said:

Alright, final thought before I go to bed. Again, because it didn't save.

Hoid, Qianweilian, and Illwei are all active and contributing. I don't think they're elim unless Illwie is pulling a "talk and sound smart and villiagers listen" strategy, but this may not be the best audience for that strat.

Mystic and TUC are both inactive and not doing much. I'm leaning elim on them because Mystic seems to be inconspicuous, and TUC's thing about coordinating actions doesnt make much sense. No one said anything against the idea iirc, and if elims knew what actions people took they could counter and cause a Rebuke if we aren't careful. He could also be thief, trying to get the Shardblade out of the hold and into play to work on their win con.

I agree with this^. Just feels weird.

Coder posted as I was writing this, so I have no thoughts on him.

Star is MIA, so lets hope she comes back soon.

Wahr seemed a bit exe hungry, is that out of the ordinary?

Coco hasn't said much, |TJ| hasn't posted, and all I have on Mint11 is that did seem like they wanted someone exed. But again, I don't know if that is unusual.

Hopper poked TJ, but nothing has happened with that.

So, Coder since he's busy and can't respond to the poke, and The Unknown Character. Less a poke, and more I think he's elim leaning.

This is crazy

I'm the only person who is pro-coordination. Hoid is wishy-washy, leaned anti but seems to be leaning pro now. Illwei is anti, and you are too now.

Meeting favor is the entire point of this game, are we going to leave it to random chance?

To use Illwei's own argument against them, not coordinating favor is like not voting. You're leaving it either up to chance, or to the people who do coordinate. You're the only confirmed Villager, don't let potential elims decide the game for you.

If we don't coordinate favor, there's two worlds.

1. Random chance leads to more players raising favor. We will run out eventually. Illwei seems to doubt this, but it was 100% a problem in the Rithmatist games that this is based on. Even if the supplies run out, action economy will. The favor will rise and the amount of players with actions will decrease to the point where random chance doesn't cut it anymore. We have to coordinate then

2. Random chance leads to not enough players raising favor. I doubt it will happen this cycle, and maybe not c2, but I think this is a real danger c3. If players already used their favor items and didn't grab more, or they're saving for later, we could not make it, especially with elim sabotage in play. If we coordinate, we can account for sabotage with numbers, account for sabotage by knowing everyone's actions, and account for sabotage by holding players accountable. If we don't coordinate, we're vulnerable to all three, and any one of them could lead to us missing the mark.

I'm not advocating for coordinating this turn, we don't even need to mass coordinate next turn, but some people need to step forward every turn so there's accountability and a buffer for sabotage of all kinds.

The Shardblade is probably the only Rare item the Thief wouldn't bet on. They don't win if they die, unlike villagers and elims.

I should also note for the newer players, generally pokes are on players who haven't posted or only made "I'm here" posts. Hence "poking" the sleeping person. 

[Mystic He/Him]

4 minutes ago, Illwei said:

everything about this sentence-

ED1T: 

@Mystic

Are you able to identify what specifically you don't like about his reads? 

Can you also talk about how Elim!PersonA reading PersonB Village would make PersonB an Elim? 

Yeah, of course

okay, just going in order. He’s lumping Qian in with you and Hoid, and remember my very first read skim? You two were the names that jumped out, I think Qian’s posted like 3-4 times, and so I first have problems with that.

After that he says TUM and I are inactive. So aside from that I have more posts than he does inactivity does not say anything about alignment(it can if it suddenly changes without an irl reason but that doesn’t apply here). In fact I don’t like that he’s basically saying active = village and inactive = Elim.

Because that’s literally what the reads are saying. Especially after he then goes through the people who have posted 1-2 times and says he has no read on them.

Overall I don’t like the way he’s deciding who’s Elim, I don’t like that he seems to have slipped Qian into the active group. and I don’t like that he’s being inconsistent with inactive = Elim when it applies to everyone else.

As for the part about me going to the people he’s was saying we’re village that’s just Elim Strat. You try to slip in someone Elim with someone people agree with to make them more likely to agree.

Add that to the fact that I didn’t like what he was doing with Qian and that’s how I got there

[Illwei]

@TUO
 

While Coordinating favor may seem like it's the same as voting, it isn't. You can't compare them. 

Voting is an action that ends in a result of someone dying. People will die whether you vote or not. There is no way in this game for someone to change, cancel, or amplify your vote. 

Not using actions there is. People are able to change-amplify, null your action. This is why claiming actions or coordinating is more dangerous than just simply the idea of voting. This is a false relation between the two. 

Can you tell me what a proposed claiming situation would look like? Not everyone will have items that can amass Favour. Would you require all players claim their inventory? 

In the rithmatist game is also not the same just enough to not be a good example. 

In that game, we didn't know everyone was a rithmatist, but we did know that all rithmatists started with one chalk. That meant that through coordination we could be sure that defences were covered. Here we do not have the same thing. Not everyone can use all the ways to defend, and not everyone starts with an object or action that can be used to defend. 

[Stardust She/Her]

Okay, so it turns out I do have internet where I am, but it is crazy slow, so I will still be pretty inactive for the next few days. 
I will give more of a response tomorrow, sorry, but my phone is about to die. 

[coco.pudding she/they]

1 hour ago, The Unknown Character said:

A bit more experienced than Wahr (I think), and has scared me with her elim skills a few times. More likely to be an elim when she seems village than the other way around tbh

Nope, we joined in the same game! 
And thank you, that’s quite the compliment  My eliming last game was not quite up to the same standard tho

Pretty busy atm but we have a long bus ride coming up in about an hour so I’ll be able to be active soon 

[Wahrheitswächter He/Him]

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Who are all the new players and how long have you been playing? Not necessary to answer me, I just worry about pushing too hard on anyone that might make them shrink back when people are being mildly pretty vocal in thread so far. 

Hi I am Wahrheitswächter, but everyone calls me Wahr, this should be the sixth Game (but there was one were I was out D1) which i Generally struggle with a bit, also have CoGMed one Game

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I probably count in that category so hi I’m Coco, this is my 7th game I believe?

I think only if you count the one you CoGMed with Araris There were:

Spoiler

Hoids Singer Conversion Game

Amans Zelda Timeloop Game

Archers HP Game

Araris House on the Hill Game (you GMed)

Strikers Cytoverse Game

TUMs Meta Game (I GMed)

And now this one

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Pretty medium experience for this crew I think. And an excellent co-GM I should add 

Thanks, means a lot

But some of your other Takes are a bit wild, Coco and I have the same amount of Games and Mystic has definitely been longer around than me.

I know that this post didnt engage with the Discussion about who is elim, but I literally just woke up and have tried to Catch up. Will pop in again when I had more time to think about the people that have been active in thread.

 

[Mystic He/Him]

15 minutes ago, Wahrheitswächter said:

But some of your other Takes are a bit wild, Coco and I have the same amount of Games and Mystic has definitely been longer around than me.

Yes I’ve been here longer(first game was the Andor one with Drake as GM) but that doesn’t mean I’m necessarily good or experienced.

You’ve seen how wrong I can be

*here’s a opening for you to post next*

edit: though wow, this is my 10th game I’ve played. Time flies.

Edited yesterday at 05:31 AM by Mystic

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

8 hours ago, The Unknown Character said:

1. @Hoid Slayer as Y, an inexperienced sailor with a positive attitude and a secret. 

Nicknamed Hoid (or Slayerman ) has been around for a decent bit, knows what he's doing.

That is not true

I only know what I'm doing when I'm elim, which I have been an astonishingly few times

Only twice, I believe, and only one of those really counted cause I was largely inactive the second time

So, uhh, if my next GM is here, take notes please

8 hours ago, CoderDrag0n8 said:

Also I am usually RP heavy.

I try to be RP heavy

But I am also lazy

8 hours ago, Illwei said:

Your read on me seems to be that I am likely an Elim in your eyes, because I am theoretically controlling the thread? Just clarifying. 

Nope

What I meant to say wasn't that I read you as elim, just that I'm tentative to make any read on you at all - some of your behavior makes sense from an elim perspective, but it is also behavior v!me would pursue in a different scenario (to be more specific - less lazyness)

8 hours ago, Ascended Grubberfly said:

Alright, final thought before I go to bed. Again, because it didn't save.

Hoid, Qianweilian, and Illwei are all active and contributing. I don't think they're elim unless Illwie is pulling a "talk and sound smart and villiagers listen" strategy, but this may not be the best audience for that strat.

Mystic and TUC are both inactive and not doing much. I'm leaning elim on them because Mystic seems to be inconspicuous, and TUC's thing about coordinating actions doesnt make much sense. No one said anything against the idea iirc, and if elims knew what actions people took they could counter and cause a Rebuke if we aren't careful. He could also be thief, trying to get the Shardblade out of the hold and into play to work on their win con.

I agree with this^. Just feels weird.

Coder posted as I was writing this, so I have no thoughts on him.

Star is MIA, so lets hope she comes back soon.

Wahr seemed a bit exe hungry, is that out of the ordinary?

Coco hasn't said much, |TJ| hasn't posted, and all I have on Mint11 is that did seem like they wanted someone exed. But again, I don't know if that is unusual.

Hopper poked TJ, but nothing has happened with that.

So, Coder since he's busy and can't respond to the poke, and The Unknown Character. Less a poke, and more I think he's elim leaning.

LIke other people said, a lot in this post rubs me the wrong way

Specifically the correlation between activity and alignment, and then the vote on TUC that feels somewhat umprompted to me

However, Grub is a new player, and I have no intent of pursuing an attack on him

7 hours ago, The Unknown Character said:

Not many. I don't like Grub's post which I'm about to respond to, but it could just be newbie sheeping the high actives. 

You may recall that I'm not great at early suspicions. I'm better than I used to be, but I'm still not going to have much at this level of activity after half a cycle

This is crazy

I'm the only person who is pro-coordination. Hoid is wishy-washy, leaned anti but seems to be leaning pro now. Illwei is anti, and you are too now.

Meeting favor is the entire point of this game, are we going to leave it to random chance?

To use Illwei's own argument against them, not coordinating favor is like not voting. You're leaving it either up to chance, or to the people who do coordinate. You're the only confirmed Villager, don't let potential elims decide the game for you.

If we don't coordinate favor, there's two worlds.

1. Random chance leads to more players raising favor. We will run out eventually. Illwei seems to doubt this, but it was 100% a problem in the Rithmatist games that this is based on. Even if the supplies run out, action economy will. The favor will rise and the amount of players with actions will decrease to the point where random chance doesn't cut it anymore. We have to coordinate then

2. Random chance leads to not enough players raising favor. I doubt it will happen this cycle, and maybe not c2, but I think this is a real danger c3. If players already used their favor items and didn't grab more, or they're saving for later, we could not make it, especially with elim sabotage in play. If we coordinate, we can account for sabotage with numbers, account for sabotage by knowing everyone's actions, and account for sabotage by holding players accountable. If we don't coordinate, we're vulnerable to all three, and any one of them could lead to us missing the mark.

I'm not advocating for coordinating this turn, we don't even need to mass coordinate next turn, but some people need to step forward every turn so there's accountability and a buffer for sabotage of all kinds.

The Shardblade is probably the only Rare item the Thief wouldn't bet on. They don't win if they die, unlike villagers and elims.

I should also note for the newer players, generally pokes are on players who haven't posted or only made "I'm here" posts. Hence "poking" the sleeping person. 

 Okay so I am somewhat convinced by all this

It also makes me pretty heavily v!lean TUC at this moment in time

I will be clear right now:

I have no way to gain us Favour

So if anyone does, I highly recommend they use it now cause I doubt a lot of people do, I wouldn't rely on others

I'm not sure to what extent we should go with further coordination

As I said before, TUC, the reason I'm kinda flipfloppy on this is cause I think the extent of our coordination should be agreed upon by everyone

7 hours ago, Illwei said:

Not using actions there is. People are able to change-amplify, null your action. This is why claiming actions or coordinating is more dangerous than just simply the idea of voting. This is a false relation between the two. 

Just a suggestion, not really taking a side here but

And correct me if I'm wrong

Isn't it impossible to both take another action and change someone else's? So, in theory, if everyone claimed an action and someone did something else, we would know who it was

Except oh snap we don't know the success of our actions

And everyone could just lie that their own action was nullified

Yeah this will never work

Alright, my own perspective right now off the top of my head cause I'm short on time:

I like TUC

I like Grub's first post, opinion has been going down since then, but I won't exe him

Don't like Qian, but do feel somewhat bad for exeing him first

Coder feels weird to me

We need to get the inactives in here

...

Hey, since I don't see any clear exe candidates, does anyone wanna make a tie and try and force reactions?

8 hours ago, CoderDrag0n8 said:

X was glad Y had come along. Ever since they first met, they formed a kinship because of their names. X and Y sounded like a match made in heaven.

Either way, X was dead set on getting through this. The treasure on the other side was tantalizing, and he would do whatever he could to get it.

Well, not whatever he could. X saw Y out of the corner of his eye, and smiled.

Y smiled back, his mind still on the shore.

As soon as the small boat stopped and Y stepped out onto the shallows, a tension released in his chest. The sand squished beneath his feet, and he breathed out.

Then they were picking up the equipment, and marching towards the new camp - towards the survivors of the other ship, and towards their destiny.

[Qianweilian He/him]

8 hours ago, The Unknown Character said:

Generally called Qian. A bit less experienced than Myst I think, just came off an elim game where they did will but not particularly notably so 

Wow. I've been severely burned. Probably true though...

7 hours ago, The Unknown Character said:

I'm the only person who is pro-coordination. Hoid is wishy-washy, leaned anti but seems to be leaning pro now. Illwei is anti, and you are too now.

I've expressed support for coordinating, and I believe I am the only person to have said an action so far.

7 hours ago, Mystic said:

I think Qian’s posted like 3-4 times, and so I first have problems with that.

Wdym? Have I not posted enough?

7 hours ago, Illwei said:

There is no way in this game for someone to change, cancel, or amplify your vote. 

That's not true, I think one of the poisons does that afaik.

So, I was looking at the previous game (LG112) and idk, Myst feels different. He was more confident and focused on solving.

Anyways, I am not interested in getting exed cycle one again after the same thing happened last time I was village, so I'm going to hold on Myst and change to TUC

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

1 hour ago, Qianweilian said:

Wow. I've been severely burned. Probably true though...

I've expressed support for coordinating, and I believe I am the only person to have said an action so far.

Wdym? Have I not posted enough?

That's not true, I think one of the poisons does that afaik.

So, I was looking at the previous game (LG112) and idk, Myst feels different. He was more confident and focused on solving.

Anyways, I am not interested in getting exed cycle one again after the same thing happened last time I was village, so I'm going to hold on Myst and change to TUC

I really don’t feel we should be exeing TUC here

I’m gonna leave my vote on Wian and see if a better tie candidate than TUC pops up

[Illwei]

Spoiler

Hoid Slayer	Votes	Qianweilian	^	1
Wahr	Votes	Hopper	^	1
Illwei	Votes	Qianweilian	^	2
Wahr	Unvotes	Hopper	v	0
Wahr	Votes	Illwei	^	1
Hopper	Votes	TJ	^	1
Mystic	Votes	Hoid	^	1
Illwei	Unvotes	Qianweilian	v	1
Illwei	Votes	TUO	^	1
Mystic	Unvotes	hoid	v	0
Grubberly	Votes	hoid	^	1
Grubberly	Unvotes	Hoid	v	0
Grubberly	Votes	Coder	^	1
Qianweilian	Votes	Mystic	^	1
Grubberly	Unvotes	Coder	v	0
Grubberly	Votes	TUO	^	2
Mystic	Votes	Qianweilian	^	2
Qianweilian	Unvotes	Mystic	v	0
Qianweilian	votes	TUO	^	3

 

TUO (3): Illwei, Grub, Qian
Qian (2): Hoid, Myst
TJ (1): Hopper
Illwei (1): Wahr
 

There's not really that much going on, yet some people have a lot of posts. (neat feature on the new shard!)

Gonna be at work probably until well past rollover, so if I end up not having time to come back to say much, I'll leave some things here. 

TJ has still not checked in with thread, and he, Stardust, Coco, Mint, Coder, and TUO have not voted so far. 

Qian's vote on TUO seems a little premature for a self-pres vote, no? 

edit:

just realized i actually forgot to say anything like i said the post would. welp. Off to work now!

 

Edited yesterday at 02:51 PM by Illwei

[Ascended Grubberfly He/Him]

11 hours ago, The Unknown Character said:

This is crazy

I'm the only person who is pro-coordination. Hoid is wishy-washy, leaned anti but seems to be leaning pro now. Illwei is anti, and you are too now.

Meeting favor is the entire point of this game, are we going to leave it to random chance?

To use Illwei's own argument against them, not coordinating favor is like not voting. You're leaving it either up to chance, or to the people who do coordinate. You're the only confirmed Villager, don't let potential elims decide the game for you.

If we don't coordinate favor, there's two worlds.

1. Random chance leads to more players raising favor. We will run out eventually. Illwei seems to doubt this, but it was 100% a problem in the Rithmatist games that this is based on. Even if the supplies run out, action economy will. The favor will rise and the amount of players with actions will decrease to the point where random chance doesn't cut it anymore. We have to coordinate then

2. Random chance leads to not enough players raising favor. I doubt it will happen this cycle, and maybe not c2, but I think this is a real danger c3. If players already used their favor items and didn't grab more, or they're saving for later, we could not make it, especially with elim sabotage in play. If we coordinate, we can account for sabotage with numbers, account for sabotage by knowing everyone's actions, and account for sabotage by holding players accountable. If we don't coordinate, we're vulnerable to all three, and any one of them could lead to us missing the mark.

I'm not advocating for coordinating this turn, we don't even need to mass coordinate next turn, but some people need to step forward every turn so there's accountability and a buffer for sabotage of all kinds.

The Shardblade is probably the only Rare item the Thief wouldn't bet on. They don't win if they die, unlike villagers and elims.

I should also note for the newer players, generally pokes are on players who haven't posted or only made "I'm here" posts. Hence "poking" the sleeping person. 

This feels like fearmongering. Could be wrong, but right after your post I asked who can get treasure, to which no one responded. Item coordination never seemed to be the topic of discussion, so unless you are reading into things more than me you are using the threat of a rebuke to make me think we're on the same team. Plus, it benefits the thief if someone else has the Shardblade, as they can just steal it on a later cycle.

Edit: The first half of the post didn't save, so @Mystic I apparantly just overlooked your posts, my bad. I think my guesses have been influenced by who I've interacted with. Illwei said something on page two about how elims sometimes post but don't contribute to seem like they are helping but aren't. So I have no guess for Myst.

Edited yesterday at 03:03 PM by Ascended Grubberfly

[Through the Living Hopper He/Him]

12 hours ago, Mystic said:

I’d like to be offended by this, but considering my previous games this is fair

My second game is still probably my best one

Same.

I'm probably not going to be on a ton these next two days (actually, probably not at all tomorrow), so @Mystic, keep me alive.

From what I've seen so far, this discussion is good. Once I have enough time, I'll go through it and get some reads.

1 breathed the salty sea air. He liked it here. He liked it in all of the places (except for that one on Threnody). It was too bad someone had to die each time.

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

1 hour ago, Illwei said:

  Reveal hidden contents

Hoid Slayer	Votes	Qianweilian	^	1
Wahr	Votes	Hopper	^	1
Illwei	Votes	Qianweilian	^	2
Wahr	Unvotes	Hopper	v	0
Wahr	Votes	Illwei	^	1
Hopper	Votes	TJ	^	1
Mystic	Votes	Hoid	^	1
Illwei	Unvotes	Qianweilian	v	1
Illwei	Votes	TUO	^	1
Mystic	Unvotes	hoid	v	0
Grubberly	Votes	hoid	^	1
Grubberly	Unvotes	Hoid	v	0
Grubberly	Votes	Coder	^	1
Qianweilian	Votes	Mystic	^	1
Grubberly	Unvotes	Coder	v	0
Grubberly	Votes	TUO	^	2
Mystic	Votes	Qianweilian	^	2
Qianweilian	Unvotes	Mystic	v	0
Qianweilian	votes	TUO	^	3

 

TUO (3): Illwei, Grub, Qian
Qian (2): Hoid, Myst
TJ (1): Hopper
Illwei (1): Wahr
 

There's not really that much going on, yet some people have a lot of posts. (neat feature on the new shard!)

Gonna be at work probably until well past rollover, so if I end up not having time to come back to say much, I'll leave some things here. 

TJ has still not checked in with thread, and he, Stardust, Coco, Mint, Coder, and TUO have not voted so far. 

Qian's vote on TUO seems a little premature for a self-pres vote, no? 

edit:

just realized i actually forgot to say anything like i said the post would. welp. Off to work now!

 

Bye bye!

Alright can I get anyone to bite on this Qian train, or yet another counter train?

I don't want to exe TUO for actually trying to coordinate, but I don't love the other options of TJ or Illwei either - TJ cause he hasn't even posted, and Illwei cause I don't think we should be eliminating our most vocal figure this early in the game

[Mint11 she/her]

alright so I'd like to RP, but given that rollover is tonight, I'd at least like to take care of game play now. and as far as that goes, things feel calm right now. that's not really the atmosphere I'd expect if we were smoking out elims, so I don't think we're on the right track. I agree with Illwei that there are a lot of posts, but not much has happened.

I tend to mess these up so I don't usually post counts in the thread, but for my own sake... (ninja'd by Illwei but I'm glad our counts match)

Qian (2): Hoid, Myst

Illwei (1): Wahr

TJ (1): Hopper

TUC (3): Illwei, Grub, Qian 

 

Qian's reaction to being voted on is pretty typical for him, so I'm going to give him a slight village read. He also made an offhand comment about teaming up with the thief, which I think an elim is less likely to do. I kind of don't want to vote out Illwei right now, because I like their analysis. The vote on TJ was just a poke, he hasn't been around. I don't really get an elim read from TUC. He came in pretty early with a strong opinion on public information sharing and coordination. That'd be a pretty gutsy move for an elim.

Hoid's engaging a lot, but it's mostly replies that don't rock the boat. His agreement with TUC on coordination and admission that he can't get favor feels noteworthy... Slight elim read indepedently? But I don't know if Grub would've poke voted him first if they were e/e. Though Hoid also seems to agree Grub is suspicious, after a few other people said the same.

ngl I don't feel great about Grub, but its his first game so I'm going to ignore the elim lean I have on him for this cycle.

Myst's felt off to me this cycle. I had to go through the posts again to figure out why. Myst's village read of Grub was a little premature, but I don't really think that's alignment indicative. His hesitation to vote before having a better elim read is normal for him. But I think what triggered my gut feeling is that while Myst has posted a lot, it's mostly been replies to others questions. An elim saying that elims would be motivated to self NK is kind of wild though. Myst also has an elim read on Grub now which is interesting and was the first person to have an issue with Grub's latest reads.

So I'd want to ex either Hoid or Myst. I'm going to go with Hoid

 

 

new VC

Qian (2): Hoid, Myst

Illwei (1): Wahr

TJ (1): Hopper

TUC (3): Illwei, Grub, Qian 

Hoid (1): Mint

 

honestly this will probably make me sound suspicious, but if anyone wants to coordinate via PM, you should create one with me. I'd be down for exchanging info. but I don't want to do that kind of coordination in the thread. the downside of PMs is that no one else knows whats gone on in there, but the upside is the same. you can deduce what the elims know based on the info they've acted on, who they have PMs with. maybe. I haven't figured out the trick of it, but it would be fun to try

[Illwei]

^^

Which is why I asked @the unknown character what coordination would look like. Saying "we need to coordinate" isnt really a topic to discuss or sway people on. Saying "this is what coordination looks like, this is how we could do it l, and this is what my offering is to the pot"

 

For example we could all claim via pm, but theres a lot of IKYKs that can happen when pms are involved. It would also mean  only one or two people would have a full picture. They might end up being village, and us keeping that out of elims eyes, but unlikely. 

We could all claim fully in thread:

 - it would  tell us who crew could pass keys to or give expertise to further help coordinate favour. Then we could assign days for people to not only pass keys or mentorship to specific people, but also of course Favour. 

 - It would also give the Elims stronger targets that they might wanna eliminate first. 

We could claim if we have favorable items every round and then each round assign specific people to do it. Since no one is guaranteed to have favorable items, you cant really police this. If the elims dont want to have to add favour, they can simply claim they have none that round. If they know they need

 

Honestly I dont really care much for any coordination attempts. If you care for it please suggest an idea and how to go about. Then claim. 

Personally as I mentioned earlier, I have no way to add to Favour right now. So its out of my hands. 

I dont remember much from LG73 in terms of how we coordinated defense. I'm not good at mech and all that- I'm no Kas.