Wahrheitswächter He/Him Posted June 8 Posted June 8 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said: Okay can we please kill Coco now? Edited cause I forgot I couldn’t vote This is a Pseudocycle Coco was already killed in the Pseudogame Ninja'd Edited June 8 by Through the living Wahr
CadCom he/him Posted June 8 Posted June 8 3 minutes ago, Divergent said: Hiii Was thinking of getting caught up with the game before I would be subbing in, but time got away from me I'm about to head to sleep shortly, will catch up when I wake up, but would also like to know what's been going on so far from everyone else's POV I agreed last cycle that I would make a fairly detailed analysis today (from my perspective) I'll try to include a more neutral summary in it. Working on it now. No promises it happens Today, but for sure this cycle.
Mystic He/Him Posted June 8 Posted June 8 My very bad summary as follows: we have 4 meta elims the meta Elims bet on a pseudo Elim victory Coco, Kit Kat, and Ver are 3/4 of the meta Elims. We don’t know who the 4th is yet The Elim role composition includes a GM, a thread controller, a retiree, and an unknown role.
Qianweilian He/him Posted June 8 Posted June 8 6 minutes ago, Myst said: My very bad summary as follows: we have 4 meta elims the meta Elims bet on a pseudo Elim victory Coco, Kit Kat, and Ver are 3/4 of the meta Elims. We don’t know who the 4th is yet The Elim role composition includes a GM, a thread controller, a retiree, and an unknown role. Okay, so you're hard cleared, so I'm inclined to trust this. Who are the other pseudo elims?
Mystic He/Him Posted June 8 Posted June 8 27 minutes ago, Qianweilian said: Okay, so you're hard cleared, so I'm inclined to trust this. Who are the other pseudo elims? I only know of TJ and Lettuce, idk the 5th. Also: Cleared =/= right, so take what I say with a grain of salt
StrikerEZ he/him Posted June 8 Posted June 8 1 hour ago, Qianweilian said: Okay, so you're hard cleared, so I'm inclined to trust this. Who are the other pseudo elims? Confirmed good != confirmed right Oh hey Myst already said that. Neat.
CadCom he/him Posted June 8 Posted June 8 (edited) I’m not going to focus on the People analysis as much, at least at the beginning, more the public results of what happened. Maybe a bit of what information was shared in the thread. PC1: Xino was Killed. Action later claimed by Myst Flipped PE Coder Dragon Exed: Myst, Hoid, Xino. Flipped PV MC1 Coder Exed:Hoid, Coco, Myst, Mippo, Flipped MV Retiree Mis Fallen was Killed: Thread Controller PC2 Tineye message that Striker is collecting Investiture Myst Exed: (Qian, TJ, Araris, Hopper, Coco.) PV coinshot Verd was Killed PV Tineye PMs are still open, so There is at least one other PTineye. MC2 Hopper was killed MV Roleplayer No Exe, as we didn’t reach the threshold due to vote manip. (5) Myst had 4 votes, Qian, CadCom, Araris, TJ, Mippo. Those that didn’t vote for myst were Myst, Hopper, Hoid, Kit Kat, Verdance, Striker. Xino also had 4 votes Hoid, Myst, KitKat. PC3 It was revealed during the day’s discussion that both Hoid and Coco had role changes making them Coinshots. Hoidslayer was exed.(Coco, Striker, Araris, Kit Kat) PE Coinshot Coco died PV coinshot. MC3 TJ died. MV PseudoIM Myst Exed, (Myst, Qian, Striker, KitKat, Araris, coco, TJ, CadCom) Vanilla MV A bit of analysis surrounding my Summary: I still have icky feelings about the failed exe on Myst on MC2, so that’s where I’m going to go first with my analysis. So I want to look at the progression of votes in that cycle now. Especially since we know that Myst is MV. Quian votes Myst Hopper votes Striker CadCom votes Myst Araris votes Myst TJ votes Myst Hoid votes Xino Myst votes Xino Striker votes Myst Mippo votes Myst Kit_Kat votes Xino Verdance votes Verdance Striker Moves to Verdance My thoughts here are that immediately, Striker is the most suspicious, as their vote single-handedly saved Myst, dragging out the apparently inevitable for an additional cycle, keeping us from moving on to other targets. In addition to that, they reportedly have collected a large amount of investiture or engineered a large amount of investiture to coalesce in someone else. It feels very fishy to me. So on the next Metacycle, I think a Striker @StrikerEZexe is a good option to consider. I’m torn on whether it’s beneficial for the pseudocycle. Feel free to PM me if you want my thoughts there, just know I'm still working them out. Because I'm not certain how I feel about that vote, it's more to stimulate discussion, and it's highly possible I change it as new information is presented to me. Edited June 8 by CadCom
Verdance he/him Posted June 8 Posted June 8 1 minute ago, CadCom said: I’m not going to focus on the People analysis as much, at least at the beginning, more the public results of what happened. Maybe a bit of what information was shared in the thread. PC1: Xino was Killed. Action later claimed by Myst Flipped PE Coder Dragon Exed: Myst, Hoid, Xino. Flipped PV MC1 Coder Exed:Hoid, Coco, Myst, Mippo, Flipped MV Retiree Mis Fallen was Killed: Thread Controller PC2 Tineye message that Striker is collecting Investiture Myst Exed: (Qian, TJ, Araris, Hopper, Coco.) PV coinshot Verd was Killed PV Tineye PMs are still open, so There is at least one other PTineye. MC2 Hopper was killed MV Roleplayer No Exe, as we didn’t reach the threshold due to vote manip. (5) Myst had 4 votes, Qian, CadCom, Araris, TJ, Mippo. Those that didn’t vote for myst were Myst, Hopper, Hoid, Kit Kat, Verdance, Striker. Xino also had 4 votes Hoid, Myst, KitKat. PC3 It was revealed during the day’s discussion that both Hoid and Coco had role changes making them Coinshots. Hoidslayer was exed.(Coco, Striker, Araris, Kit Kat) PE Coinshot Coco died PV coinshot. MC3 TJ died. MV PseudoIM Myst Exed, (Myst, Qian, Striker, KitKat, Araris, coco, TJ, CadCom) Vanilla MV A bit of analysis surrounding my Summary: I still have icky feelings about the failed exe on Myst on MC2, so that’s where I’m going to go first with my analysis. So I want to look at the progression of votes in that cycle now. Especially since we know that Myst is MV. Quian votes Myst Hopper votes Striker CadCom votes Myst Araris votes Myst TJ votes Myst Hoid votes Xino Myst votes Xino Striker votes Myst Mippo votes Myst Kit_Kat votes Xino Verdance votes Verdance Striker Moves to Verdance My thoughts here are that immediately, Striker is the most suspicious, as their vote single-handedly saved Myst, dragging out the apparently inevitable for an additional cycle, keeping us from moving on to other targets. In addition to that, they reportedly have collected a large amount of investiture or engineered a large amount of investiture to coalesce in someone else. It feels very fishy to me. So on the next Metacycle, I think a Striker @StrikerEZexe is a good option to consider. I’m torn on whether it’s beneficial for the pseudocycle. Feel free to PM me if you want my thoughts there, just know I'm still working them out. Because I'm not certain how I feel about that vote, it's more to stimulate discussion, and it's highly possible I change it as new information is presented to me. Striker moving to add to my VC last minute is kind of odd, as if he expected the fact that i am suspicious to compound and get me voted out instead of Myst or Xino he’s still one of my top suspects
|TJ| he/him Posted June 8 Posted June 8 2 hours ago, Myst said: the meta Elims bet on a pseudo Elim victory I still don't know why you think so, could you restate your reasoning?
CadCom he/him Posted June 8 Posted June 8 14 minutes ago, Verdance said: Striker moving to add to my VC last minute is kind of odd, as if he expected the fact that i am suspicious to compound and get me voted out instead of Myst or Xino To be fair, it was 8 or 9 hours before rollover, It just so happened that it was at a time with little activity after it, and after the group had largely already come to a consensus on Myst. I was still hesitant myself, but joined along in favor of not allowing vote manipulations to ruin our attempt at intel. But that's what happened anyways. 9 minutes ago, |TJ| said: I still don't know why you think so, could you restate your reasoning? I think it's based off the reasoning that Myst feels no one is going after elims. I think the argument is valid. I just don't know if I fully believe it. We lynched Hoid last cycle, and Striker, one of the people I suspect of being evil was one of the people that voted. If they had moved their vote to Coco, it would have been 3/2, within the realm of reasonable for a vote manip to affect the results. But We should also address Coco's role change and subsequent Pseudo-death. The way I see it, we can break it into 4 scenarios 1: Coco is Meta Elim, Meta Elims want Village Win 2: Coco is Meta Elim, Meta Elims want Elim win 3. Coco is Meta Village, Meta Elims want Village win 4. Coco is Meta Village, Meta Elims want Elim win. I keep trying to do analysis on each of these 4 scenarios but just end up going into circular logic that I don't like. Does someone else want to give it a go, and I'll tell you if I like it?
StrikerEZ he/him Posted June 8 Posted June 8 Yeah that vote was not my best, and I don’t really have a response for it tbh
CadCom he/him Posted June 8 Posted June 8 4 hours ago, Myst said: My very bad summary as follows: we have 4 meta elims the meta Elims bet on a pseudo Elim victory Coco, Kit Kat, and Ver are 3/4 of the meta Elims. We don’t know who the 4th is yet The Elim role composition includes a GM, a thread controller, a retiree, and an unknown role. Can you remind me why you're suspicious of Coco, and Kit Kat? I remember Verdance. Coco was largely because they rolechanged into a coinshot IIRC, but what made Coco more suspicious than Hoid in that situation, who also became a coinshot in apparently the same turn?
Mystic He/Him Posted June 8 Posted June 8 5 minutes ago, CadCom said: Can you remind me why you're suspicious of Coco, and Kit Kat? I remember Verdance. Coco was largely because they rolechanged into a coinshot IIRC, but what made Coco more suspicious than Hoid in that situation, who also became a coinshot in apparently the same turn? Kit Kat because she was the thread controller who saved me and made it so we didn’t exe Xino or Me. Coco over Hoid mostly based on PMs, the fact that he was willing to be pocketed by me, he was willing to share information, etc 1
StrikerEZ he/him Posted June 8 Posted June 8 coco. It’s not my favorite vote, but probably in our best interest to remove rogue Coinshots. I would prefer my next MetaVote to be on Verdance or Hoid though.
Mystic He/Him Posted June 8 Posted June 8 5 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said: coco. It’s not my favorite vote, but probably in our best interest to remove rogue Coinshots. I would prefer my next MetaVote to be on Verdance or Hoid though. She’s dead here
Hoid Slayer He/Him Posted June 9 Posted June 9 30 minutes ago, Myst said: She’s dead here Oh yeah hehe I just remembered I NKed her I legit don’t know where to go from here Y’all should not have killed Myst, I warned you
Mystic He/Him Posted June 9 Posted June 9 4 hours ago, |TJ| said: I still don't know why you think so, could you restate your reasoning? Cad summed it up pretty well. Ive been the one who’s done the most to kill of Pseudo Elims. If you weren’t on Sel, we’d have 60% of the pseudo Elim team dead by now, and 2 of those would’ve been by me The only reason yall voted Hoid out was because you didn’t know for sure which was meta Elim and killed both of them. If he hadn’t suddenly become a coinshot yall wouldn’t have voted him out. So I’ve done the most to push towards a village victory. No one else(aside from Striker’s d1 vote) has come close. Which is not what I’d expect if the meta Elims went for a Elim win 5 hours ago, CadCom said: I’m not going to focus on the People analysis as much, at least at the beginning, more the public results of what happened. Maybe a bit of what information was shared in the thread. PC1: Xino was Killed. Action later claimed by Myst Flipped PE Coder Dragon Exed: Myst, Hoid, Xino. Flipped PV MC1 Coder Exed:Hoid, Coco, Myst, Mippo, Flipped MV Retiree Mis Fallen was Killed: Thread Controller PC2 Tineye message that Striker is collecting Investiture Myst Exed: (Qian, TJ, Araris, Hopper, Coco.) PV coinshot Verd was Killed PV Tineye PMs are still open, so There is at least one other PTineye. MC2 Hopper was killed MV Roleplayer No Exe, as we didn’t reach the threshold due to vote manip. (5) Myst had 4 votes, Qian, CadCom, Araris, TJ, Mippo. Those that didn’t vote for myst were Myst, Hopper, Hoid, Kit Kat, Verdance, Striker. Xino also had 4 votes Hoid, Myst, KitKat. PC3 It was revealed during the day’s discussion that both Hoid and Coco had role changes making them Coinshots. Hoidslayer was exed.(Coco, Striker, Araris, Kit Kat) PE Coinshot Coco died PV coinshot. MC3 TJ died. MV PseudoIM Myst Exed, (Myst, Qian, Striker, KitKat, Araris, coco, TJ, CadCom) Vanilla MV A bit of analysis surrounding my Summary: I still have icky feelings about the failed exe on Myst on MC2, so that’s where I’m going to go first with my analysis. So I want to look at the progression of votes in that cycle now. Especially since we know that Myst is MV. Quian votes Myst Hopper votes Striker CadCom votes Myst Araris votes Myst TJ votes Myst Hoid votes Xino Myst votes Xino Striker votes Myst Mippo votes Myst Kit_Kat votes Xino Verdance votes Verdance Striker Moves to Verdance My thoughts here are that immediately, Striker is the most suspicious, as their vote single-handedly saved Myst, dragging out the apparently inevitable for an additional cycle, keeping us from moving on to other targets. In addition to that, they reportedly have collected a large amount of investiture or engineered a large amount of investiture to coalesce in someone else. It feels very fishy to me. So on the next Metacycle, I think a Striker @StrikerEZexe is a good option to consider. I’m torn on whether it’s beneficial for the pseudocycle. Feel free to PM me if you want my thoughts there, just know I'm still working them out. Because I'm not certain how I feel about that vote, it's more to stimulate discussion, and it's highly possible I change it as new information is presented to me. Keep in mind that Kit Kat was the one who did the vote manip. Regardless of whether Striker’s Elim, that requires Kit Kat to be meta elim 21 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said: Oh yeah hehe I just remembered I NKed her I legit don’t know where to go from here Y’all should not have killed Myst, I warned you It’s not like my role was doing anything lol, it was literally just my ability to vote
StrikerEZ he/him Posted June 9 Posted June 9 55 minutes ago, Myst said: She’s dead here ….dammit I can’t keep straight who’s still alive where. And you dead people being able to still talk isn’t helping. Kit_Kat
Mystic He/Him Posted June 9 Posted June 9 3 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said: ….dammit I can’t keep straight who’s still alive where. And you dead people being able to still talk isn’t helping. Kit_Kat Fair enough. This game is confusing
Kit_Kat She/Her Posted June 9 Posted June 9 (edited) 1 hour ago, Myst said: Keep in mind that Kit Kat was the one who did the vote manip. Regardless of whether Striker’s Elim, that requires Kit Kat to be meta elim How does that require me to be meta elim? Keep in mind that I never had to tell you that I saved you, but I did. If I was elim, I probably wouldn’t have told you that. Also, even if I am meta elim, exeing me in the Pseudogame won’t do anything. Edited June 9 by Kit_Kat
Mystic He/Him Posted June 9 Posted June 9 5 minutes ago, Kit_Kat said: Also, even if I am meta elim, exeing me in the Pseudogame won’t do anything. Which is why I want to vote pseudo Elims out 6 minutes ago, Kit_Kat said: How does that require me to be meta elim? Keep in mind that I never had to tell you that I saved you, but I did. If I was elim, I probably wouldn’t have told you that. It only works if you’re Elim. If you are not Elim, then unless someone else told you to use your vote manip to save me, Striker’s vote change is completely meaningless because he’d have no way of knowing your vote manip was going to happen. If we assume my survival was coordinated by the meta Elim team. That requires you to be Elim. If you’re not Elim and someone convinced you to save me, then you should tell us who now.
StrikerEZ he/him Posted June 9 Posted June 9 25 minutes ago, Myst said: It only works if you’re Elim. If you are not Elim, then unless someone else told you to use your vote manip to save me, Striker’s vote change is completely meaningless because he’d have no way of knowing your vote manip was going to happen. Wait are you saying you think that if KitKat flips MetaElim I must also be MetaElim? You underestimate my ability to take stupid actions as a villager. 2
Verdance he/him Posted June 9 Posted June 9 2 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said: Wait are you saying you think that if KitKat flips MetaElim I must also be MetaElim? You underestimate my ability to take stupid actions as a villager. i have been saying that this entire time 1
Mystic He/Him Posted June 9 Posted June 9 16 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said: Wait are you saying you think that if KitKat flips MetaElim I must also be MetaElim? You underestimate my ability to take stupid actions as a villager. Oh, I don’t think you’re meta Elim right now, but if you are, Kit Kat has to be. If Kit Kat is that doesn’t mean you are, but the reverse is true. Its highly possible that Kit Kat submitted the order to move a vote after you change your vote(thinking it wouldn’t matter) since she would’ve had plenty of time before rollover to do so. My point was basically that Kit Kat has to be Elim if you are, and so she’s a better exe than you because she can be Elim without you being Elim, but you can’t be Elim without her being Elim as well. So I say we exe Kit Kat or a pseudo Elim
coco.pudding she/they Posted June 9 Posted June 9 14 minutes ago, Myst said: So I say we exe Kit Kat or a pseudo Elim If we think exeing pseudo elims is the way to go, we should do a pseudo elim today. We’re running out of chances. Also, if Kit Kat is a meta elim, shouldn’t we exe her in the meta cycle, not here?
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