Wahrheitswächter He/Him Posted May 26 Posted May 26 That is factually false I was both in LG110 and LG111 the first one to get exed
coco.pudding she/they Posted May 26 Posted May 26 Right, well I don’t think there’s much to do today, right? We’re kinda just chilling and waiting Usually I would take this time to rp but I’m not really sure how that works in this game so maybe not (plus if we do that’s we might bring more evil rp characters into existence…) 4 minutes ago, Through the living Wahr said: Thats my Line, you stole my Line You’re not a valid exe target though, we need a new person to immediately sus in cycle one in your absence (Qian) Spoiler gms dont take that seriously i know we cant vote this cycle 1 minute ago, Qianweilian said: You were never actually exed cycle 1 though He was, in the Majora’s Mask game. I don’t think you played that one. But hey, he got a pretty sweet deal out of it bc he ended up hard cleared for the rest of the game. Oh I forgot it happened again in 111.
Qianweilian He/him Posted May 26 Posted May 26 2 minutes ago, Through the living Wahr said: That is factually false I was both in LG110 and LG111 the first one to get exed Oh, were you? I forgot. Just now, coco.pudding said: Right, well I don’t think there’s much to do today, right? We’re kinda just chilling and waiting Yeah. I'm pretty sure the only thing that actually is happening is the elims betting (whatever that means?) 1 minute ago, coco.pudding said: You’re not a valid exe target though, we need a new person to immediately sus in cycle one in your absence (Qian) coco Spoiler gms please take this seriously. Coco is slandering me and should be banned for false accusations. 2 minutes ago, coco.pudding said: He was, in the Majora’s Mask game. I don’t think you played that one. But hey, he got a pretty sweet deal out of it bc he ended up hard cleared for the rest of the game. Yeah, I saw that and noped out because of the complexity. But now...I guess I didn't do the same here. 3 minutes ago, coco.pudding said: Oh I forgot it happened again in 111. Me too.
StrikerEZ he/him Posted May 26 Posted May 26 (edited) There's no execution this cycle, right? This is sort of a limbo cycle where we're just testing the waters and waiting for the MetaElims to make their bet. 12 minutes ago, Qianweilian said: Yeah. I'm pretty sure the only thing that actually is happening is the elims betting (whatever that means?) Basically, the MetaElims are trying to bet on their ability to rig the outcome of the PseudoGame. They don't know which of them are going to be PseudoVillagers or PseudoElims yet. So, let's say, for example, that our MetaElims were Alvron, Striker, DrakeMarshall, and Amanuensis. All of these players are known for doing gambits or silly stuff, and might want to bank on their ability to do gambits to ensure an elim win in the PseudoGame. Or, maybe the MetaElims were Kasimir, Stick, Burnt Spaghetti, and TJ. They have a lot of players that are good at solving as villagers and might want to bet that a couple of them will become PseudoVillagers and use their reputation as good solvers to steer the PseudoGame towards a PseudoVillage win. If the MetaElims win their bet, then they get a conversion in the MetaGame. If they lose their bet, half of the living MetaElims get revealed in the writeup after the PseudoGame ends. As an example, let's say MetaElim Team #2 (Kasimir, Stick, Burnt Spaghetti, and TJ) bet on the PseudoVillage winning the PseudoGame. Instead, the PseudoElims win. Let's say that all of them are still alive in the MetaGame at that point. Now, on the next MetaGame cycle, two of them get revealed as MetaElims to the entire thread. So now they're severely handicapped in the rest of the MetaGame. So the MetaElims really want to be careful about what bet they make here. And the MetaVillagers, in response, want to be on the lookout for if the PseudoGame seems to be going too well in one direction or the other. Some of us MetaVillagers will be PseudoElims. And, depending on what we think the MetaElims bet on, we might want to throw the game as PseudoElims to make sure that the PseduoVillage wins the PseudoGame, therefore making the MetaElims lose their bet. There's so many layers of plotting and scheming going on here, so I'm quite excited to see what craziness we all get up to. EDIT: made a little fix where I mixed up Pseudo vs Meta Edited May 26 by StrikerEZ 1
The Unknown Character he/him Posted May 26 Author Posted May 26 7 minutes ago, Verdance said: @The Unknown Medallion I don’t have a GM PM! Looks like you and a few others weren't added. Should be good now
Qianweilian He/him Posted May 26 Posted May 26 13 minutes ago, The Unknown Medallion said: Looks like you and a few others weren't added. Should be good now "Should be"
Mystic He/Him Posted May 26 Posted May 26 51 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said: There's no execution this cycle, right? This is sort of a limbo cycle where we're just testing the waters and waiting for the MetaElims to make their bet. Basically, the MetaElims are trying to bet on their ability to rig the outcome of the PseudoGame. They don't know which of them are going to be PseudoVillagers or PseudoElims yet. So, let's say, for example, that our MetaElims were Alvron, Striker, DrakeMarshall, and Amanuensis. All of these players are known for doing gambits or silly stuff, and might want to bank on their ability to do gambits to ensure an elim win in the PseudoGame. Or, maybe the MetaElims were Kasimir, Stick, Burnt Spaghetti, and TJ. They have a lot of players that are good at solving as villagers and might want to bet that a couple of them will become PseudoVillagers and use their reputation as good solvers to steer the PseudoGame towards a PseudoVillage win. If the MetaElims win their bet, then they get a conversion in the MetaGame. If they lose their bet, half of the living MetaElims get revealed in the writeup after the PseudoGame ends. As an example, let's say MetaElim Team #2 (Kasimir, Stick, Burnt Spaghetti, and TJ) bet on the PseudoVillage winning the PseudoGame. Instead, the PseudoElims win. Let's say that all of them are still alive in the MetaGame at that point. Now, on the next MetaGame cycle, two of them get revealed as MetaElims to the entire thread. So now they're severely handicapped in the rest of the MetaGame. So the MetaElims really want to be careful about what bet they make here. And the MetaVillagers, in response, want to be on the lookout for if the PseudoGame seems to be going too well in one direction or the other. Some of us MetaVillagers will be PseudoElims. And, depending on what we think the MetaElims bet on, we might want to throw the game as PseudoElims to make sure that the PseduoVillage wins the PseudoGame, therefore making the MetaElims lose their bet. There's so many layers of plotting and scheming going on here, so I'm quite excited to see what craziness we all get up to. EDIT: made a little fix where I mixed up Pseudo vs Meta Real. I know which way I’d bet, but not everyone would see it the same way I would.
___ He/Him Posted May 26 Posted May 26 Alrighty! New SE game! 1 hour ago, Qianweilian said: Yeah, I saw that and noped out because of the complexity. But now...I guess I didn't do the same here. I did the same @The Unknown Medallion I had a question while I was looking through the rules about Threnody, it says Quote You can use your action to survive an attack and instead kill your attacker (doesn't protect against the exe). If you use this ability again, you will die with your attacker, and it will cost an extra Investiture each time. Every time a kill is affected by this action, it will also raise the Investiture price. So like it costs an extra investiture for other people? Cause I can't see why it would matter if you're, yk, dead
Qianweilian He/him Posted May 26 Posted May 26 55 minutes ago, Myst said: Real. I know which way I’d bet, but not everyone would see it the same way I would. Well, that's the problem. I'm assuming the elims are in some ridiculous mind game where they try to figure out which way people would expect them to bet.
The Unknown Character he/him Posted May 26 Author Posted May 26 39 minutes ago, ___ said: So like it costs an extra investiture for other people? Cause I can't see why it would matter if you're, yk, dead Every kill affected by Threnody raises the price for everyone, in addition to individual costs 1
Mystic He/Him Posted May 26 Posted May 26 2 minutes ago, Qianweilian said: Well, that's the problem. I'm assuming the elims are in some ridiculous mind game where they try to figure out which way people would expect them to bet. Why would they do that? Why not just win the pseudo game fast enough so that they get their conversions, and even though we know one or two of the meta Elims, they have two conversions to use - which keeps the overall numbers the same and causes all sorts of chaos If things start going well we’re all going to understand why. Unless they go minimal interference on the Pseudo game - risking losing it - it’s going to pretty obvious what they chose PD4 onwards, if not sooner. So IMO it’s not whether we find out what they bet on, it’s whether we can stop them in time
Qianweilian He/him Posted May 26 Posted May 26 1 minute ago, Myst said: Why would they do that? Why not just win the pseudo game fast enough so that they get their conversions, and even though we know one or two of the meta Elims, they have two conversions to use - which keeps the overall numbers the same and causes all sorts of chaos The thing is...oh wait you're right. I forgot we're playing with Coinshots and they can probably just blast through the game if they have a pseudo GM. Honestly, this game is far too complicated.
StrikerEZ he/him Posted May 26 Posted May 26 6 minutes ago, Myst said: Why would they do that? Why not just win the pseudo game fast enough so that they get their conversions, and even though we know one or two of the meta Elims, they have two conversions to use - which keeps the overall numbers the same and causes all sorts of chaos If things start going well we’re all going to understand why. Unless they go minimal interference on the Pseudo game - risking losing it - it’s going to pretty obvious what they chose PD4 onwards, if not sooner. So IMO it’s not whether we find out what they bet on, it’s whether we can stop them in time I think you're misunderstanding the rules. The MetaElims only get the conversion if they win the bet. If they lose the bet, they don't get the conversion and instead get half their living players revealed.
Mystic He/Him Posted May 26 Posted May 26 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Qianweilian said: The thing is...oh wait you're right. I forgot we're playing with Coinshots and they can probably just blast through the game if they have a pseudo GM. Honestly, this game is far too complicated. Yep. And I’m gonna stop talking about this(edit: things get scary fast) 2 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said: I think you're misunderstanding the rules. The MetaElims only get the conversion if they win the bet. If they lose the bet, they don't get the conversion and instead get half their living players revealed. No, I know that, that’s why I said they needed to blast through the Pseudo game, the sooner they win their bet there, the sooner they get their conversions. Edited May 26 by Myst
Qianweilian He/him Posted May 26 Posted May 26 4 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said: I think you're misunderstanding the rules. The MetaElims only get the conversion if they win the bet. If they lose the bet, they don't get the conversion and instead get half their living players revealed. Wait, I don't completely understand. So a pseudo elim team composed of meta elims might just throw the pseudogame? Or vice versa.
StrikerEZ he/him Posted May 26 Posted May 26 Just now, Qianweilian said: Wait, I don't completely understand. So a pseudo elim team composed of meta elims might just throw the pseudogame? Or vice versa. Yes that is exactly what could happen. 4 minutes ago, Myst said: No, I know that, that’s why I said they needed to blast through the Pseudo game, the sooner they win their bet there, the sooner they get their conversions. Okay. The way you said it sounded like you were saying they got both either way. And even rereading it with your apparent intent in mind, it still reads that way to me.
Qianweilian He/him Posted May 26 Posted May 26 1 minute ago, StrikerEZ said: Yes that is exactly what could happen. So we have to anticipate what they're going to bet, and the elims have to anticipate what side we anticipate the elims are going to bet on?
StrikerEZ he/him Posted May 26 Posted May 26 Just now, Qianweilian said: So we have to anticipate what they're going to bet, and the elims have to anticipate what side we anticipate the elims are going to bet on? Yes. It’s an insane series of mind games.
Mystic He/Him Posted May 26 Posted May 26 2 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said: Okay. The way you said it sounded like you were saying they got both either way. And even rereading it with your apparent intent in mind, it still reads that way to me. I did sort of assume the Meta Elim team was good enough to win the Pseudo game via brute force so I can see where that’d come from. And yeah, if the Elims have a pseudo GM(or potentially an IM if they convince a coinshot to do stuff for them) they can blow us out easily 2 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said: Yes. It’s an insane series of mind games. Just in case my position wasn’t clear, I actually disagree with that. IMO it’s much better to go with the quickest route - nevermind that we’ll figure it out which side they’re going after, they’ll be able to win their bet quick enough that it won’t matter
StrikerEZ he/him Posted May 26 Posted May 26 11 minutes ago, Myst said: Just in case my position wasn’t clear, I actually disagree with that. IMO it’s much better to go with the quickest route - nevermind that we’ll figure it out which side they’re going after, they’ll be able to win their bet quick enough that it won’t matter Just because you think it's much better for them to do that doesn't mean that they for sure will. They might disagree with you and therefore take a different course of action. or just do things differently just because.
Mystic He/Him Posted May 26 Posted May 26 2 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said: Just because you think it's much better for them to do that doesn't mean that they for sure will. They might disagree with you and therefore take a different course of action. or just do things differently just because. That’s true, perhaps the fact that I’m saying this will make them not do it. I don’t think I’m going to devote too much energy into trying to guess the bet right now. It all depends on the exact Elim team and how they feel comfortable playing. For now I think the best bet is just to position myself to be able to react either way
|TJ| he/him Posted May 26 Posted May 26 47 minutes ago, Myst said: Why not just win the pseudo game fast enough so that they get their conversions, and even though we know one or two of the meta Elims, they have two conversions to use - which keeps the overall numbers the same and causes all sorts of chaos The thing is, winning the pseudo-game is not in their hands. Sure, they have slightly more control over the pseudo-game than us, but it still isn't much to say confidently that they would breeze through the pseudo-game because they do not know what alignment they are going to be in the pseudo-game. Which way would you go though? Would you bet on the pseudo-village or pseudo-elims to win?
Mystic He/Him Posted May 26 Posted May 26 1 minute ago, |TJ| said: The thing is, winning the pseudo-game is not in their hands. Sure, they have slightly more control over the pseudo-game than us, but it still isn't much to say confidently that they would breeze through the pseudo-game because they do not know what alignment they are going to be in the pseudo-game. Which way would you go though? Would you bet on the pseudo-village or pseudo-elims to win? Obviously it would depend on the exact meta roles the Elim team has, but I’d go for betting on an Pseudo Elim win
StrikerEZ he/him Posted May 26 Posted May 26 18 minutes ago, Myst said: That’s true, perhaps the fact that I’m saying this will make them not do it. Hence the mind games 19 minutes ago, Myst said: For now I think the best bet is just to position myself to be able to react either way Hmm. Only a MetaElim would think of things in terms of bets. 2 minutes ago, |TJ| said: Which way would you go though? Would you bet on the pseudo-village or pseudo-elims to win? I know you weren't asking me, but I felt the need to answer anyway. This would entirely depend on who my teammates are and what we think are our odds are of winning depending on the various possibilities for who would be our elim(s) and villager(s) in the PseudoGame. Like, if I was a MetaElim with TJ and Araris I would definitely want to try gambits, which would lead me towards betting on a PseudoElim win I think.
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