QF79 Cycle 3 - I Love Democracy

[Myst He/Him]

3 minutes ago, IcedOutPenguin said:

Myst, did you hit me with mindblades?

Nope, I don’t got that many actions. I know who did though

I suppose I should mention this. I’m in quite a few PMs right now

Edited May 11 by Myst

[IcedOutPenguin He/Him]

10 minutes ago, Myst said:

I know who did though

Who?

10 minutes ago, Myst said:

I suppose I should mention this. I’m in quite a few PMs right now

I'm in none

[Myst He/Him]

Just now, IcedOutPenguin said:

Who?

I'm in none

That’s not my thing to share. As TUM pointed out, I’ve made myself quite the NK target by claiming Mindblades(objectively one of the best cytonic abilities) 

I’m not doing that to the other person. There’s no need for them to claim.

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

well yesterday’s Fizz v Mippo vote sparked slightly more engagement at the end of the day than the first day’s

That says to me it’s probably a little more likely there was in fact something there.

So yes I’m down to back a Fizz wagon for now.

still kinda want to put pressure on Wahr a bit honestly but there doesn’t seem to be very much appetite for it

[Verdance he/him]

Fizz9 (4): Myst, TUM, Ver, Drake

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

I don’t think I’m reading it positively that Fizz fully disclosed their role quite as early as it happened with only 2 votes at the time.

I dunno. Reads based on “defensiveness” are tricky because everyone should be defensive to some degree, I should hope. I don’t think that’s inherently a thing that the elims have a monopoly on. But I do think elims on average tend to jump the gun a little, and kick into self preservation mode sooner than a villager would in that situation.

in my view it’s kind of like casting a self-pres vote early

[coco.pudding she/they]

2 hours ago, Myst said:

So like… this has happened a lot. I accuse someone and am able to defend myself when people counter-argue. And the person kinda just gives up?

I mean…I’m offering valid counterarguments, you just don’t believe me. The problem here is that you refuse to believe I’m not elim, and my entire counterargument is based on something that only works if I’m not, which means neither of us is going to make any headway.

This is partially why I’d like a PM, especially with you, as I have information and a theory I’d love to share but don’t want to in thread.

49 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

well yesterday’s Fizz v Mippo vote sparked slightly more engagement at the end of the day than the first day’s

That says to me it’s probably a little more likely there was in fact something there.

So yes I’m down to back a Fizz wagon for now.

still kinda want to put pressure on Wahr a bit honestly but there doesn’t seem to be very much appetite for it

Definitely feels like there’s something there. I just can’t figure out which one of them it’s about.

[Myst He/Him]

Just now, coco.pudding said:

I mean…I’m offering valid counterarguments, you just don’t believe me. The problem here is that you refuse to believe I’m not elim, and my entire counterargument is based on something that only works if I’m not, which means neither of us is going to make any headway.

This is partially why I’d like a PM, especially with you, as I have information and a theory I’d love to share but don’t want to in thread.

I don’t find yours valid though. As for a PM, I have a friend, but they’ve used their actions already.

Also, can you say why you can’t say it in thread? Or just give a list of who you think is Elim.

And yes, I was slightly exaggerating with that, but you do the same. Lg 110, I was pushing you(same scenario as now, and I turned out to be right then) and you basically said something along the lines of that you knew we weren’t going to believe you but you accepted that you were being voted out 

[coco.pudding she/they]

3 minutes ago, Myst said:

I don’t find yours valid though.

Yeah, I know. It is valid, but only because I’m village. I know that and you don’t, which means you don’t agree. I’ll let you know if I can think of a way to solve this issue, but for now I have nothing.

6 minutes ago, Myst said:

Also, can you say why you can’t say it in thread? Or just give a list of who you think is Elim.

I don’t have an elim list, I have a village list. As for why, it’s related to my ability, which I don’t feel comfortable sharing yet. I have no idea why so many people are claiming this early.

14 minutes ago, Myst said:

And yes, I was slightly exaggerating with that, but you do the same. Lg 110, I was pushing you(same scenario as now, and I turned out to be right then) and you basically said something along the lines of that you knew we weren’t going to believe you but you accepted that you were being voted out 

I’m not saying that here. Especially since I’m not being voted out atm. I’m just offering an argument, and acknowledging that you don’t accept that argument. I will also say that in lg110 there was considerably more evidence against me than there is now, and I had been in consideration as an elim for multiple cycles by that point.

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

2 hours ago, Fizz9 said:

What things are those?

I mean, ideally I’d suggest trying to find who is evil

if you are village than the rest of us voting for you have blinders on and you don’t

You are uniquely positioned to have good analysis if that’s true!

That’s the goal anyways. In my view, this game is often about trying to do something whether or not you believe it’ll succeed. This is no exception.

anyways, even if you don’t actually solve the game, effort spent in the right direction does make you look more village. Just walk us through what you’re thinking even if it isn’t perfect. If you are in fact village it ought to come through eventually if we keep trying to read each other.

I mean….. I’m already voting for you  if nothing else there can’t be that much to lose from continuing to engage

that’s my two cents anyhow, do with it what you will

[Myst He/Him]

19 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

Yeah, I know. It is valid, but only because I’m village. I know that and you don’t, which means you don’t agree. I’ll let you know if I can think of a way to solve this issue, but for now I have nothing.

I don’t have an elim list, I have a village list. As for why, it’s related to my ability, which I don’t feel comfortable sharing yet. I have no idea why so many people are claiming this early.

I’m not saying that here. Especially since I’m not being voted out atm. I’m just offering an argument, and acknowledging that you don’t accept that argument. I will also say that in lg110 there was considerably more evidence against me than there is now, and I had been in consideration as an elim for multiple cycles by that point.

Okay, that’s fair. If you do figure that out, let me know.

Role wise… I can kind of assume based on what you’ve said you have one of two abilities, if not both.

Actually, thinking about it, based on that, I can kinda figure out exactly what role you have(as far as I know, there’s only one role that can give you the things you’re claiming - clearing people as villagers) 

So I know you didn’t mean to, but thanks for the Distro solving. Personally I know where a lot of the abilities are located(some more than others) 

True, right now you have till next cycle before you’re the one with votes 

Edit: I’d like your list of cleared people btw

Edited May 11 by Myst

[coco.pudding she/they]

Just now, Myst said:

Role wise… I can kind of assume based on what you’ve said you have one of two abilities, if not both.

Actually, thinking about it, based on that, I can kinda figure out exactly what role you have(as far as I know, there’s only one role that can give you the things you’re claiming - clearing people as villagers) 

So I know you didn’t mean to, but thanks for the Distro solving. Personally I know where a lot of the abilities are located(some more than others) 

I do only have one ability. And yes, I figured you would deduce which role I’m talking about. It’s unfortunately slow going based on my number of actions but I’m working on it.

ugh. I would love to strategize with you. Based on what I know of your Cytonics I think we could do pretty well working together.

[Myst He/Him]

5 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

I do only have one ability. And yes, I figured you would deduce which role I’m talking about. It’s unfortunately slow going based on my number of actions but I’m working on it.

ugh. I would love to strategize with you. Based on what I know of your Cytonics I think we could do pretty well working together.

Also it only works on a few select people

but my mindblades are thread control/blocking, at best all you do is give me a slightly smaller list

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

2 hours ago, Myst said:

Well

@The Unknown Medallion if not you, who do you suggest for Elim #3?

and yes, until Coco gets back to try and argue against me, all that’s gonna happen is voting and people deciding who they believe 

I'm not really concerned with elim 3 right now. That's a low priority imo when we don't even know if Fizz is e.

49 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

I don’t think I’m reading it positively that Fizz fully disclosed their role quite as early as it happened with only 2 votes at the time.

I dunno. Reads based on “defensiveness” are tricky because everyone should be defensive to some degree, I should hope. I don’t think that’s inherently a thing that the elims have a monopoly on. But I do think elims on average tend to jump the gun a little, and kick into self preservation mode sooner than a villager would in that situation.

in my view it’s kind of like casting a self-pres vote early

That's why I didn't like the comments about the elims not caring about the Fizz train. He was one vote from a tie, which means he's completely safe if an elim was voting him or two elims are coordinating. Considering he didn't/hadn't self pressed, he really was in no danger. Until my vote appeared to threaten him, which presumably caused Coco to save him

[coco.pudding she/they]

8 minutes ago, Myst said:

but my mindblades are thread control/blocking, at best all you do is give me a slightly smaller list

Yeah exactly. A smaller list seems pretty useful to me

19 minutes ago, Myst said:

Edit: I’d like your list of cleared people btw

Currently Wahr and TUM.

Unfortunately I wouldn’t be surprised if after this conversation I am killed or inhibited for the rest of the game, but oh, well, ig. Not much I can do about that now.

[Myst He/Him]

6 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

Yeah exactly. A smaller list seems pretty useful to me

Currently Wahr and TUM.

Unfortunately I wouldn’t be surprised if after this conversation I am killed or inhibited for the rest of the game, but oh, well, ig. Not much I can do about that now.

Too late for TUM, but I’m not currently planning on mindblading him, idk about the other person though 

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

Coco, how many actions do you have?

[Myst He/Him]

3 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

Coco, how many actions do you have?

I assume this is relevant somehow?

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

14 minutes ago, Myst said:

I assume this is relevant somehow?

well in my experiene it's rarely a mistake to get all the facts when you're trying to sort out a claim like this

[Through the living Wahr He/Him]

So, the Fizz Situation, I dont like that there isnt any counterwagon and but I understand the reasoning behind the Fizz Votes so far. 

I know that its unlikely but what if this is either a very elaborate scheme to exe a Villager or the Elims capitalizing on General confusion?

 

[Myst He/Him]

3 minutes ago, Through the living Wahr said:

So, the Fizz Situation, I dont like that there isnt any counterwagon and but I understand the reasoning behind the Fizz Votes so far. 

I know that its unlikely but what if this is either a very elaborate scheme to exe a Villager or the Elims capitalizing on General confusion?

 

There are a lot easier ways for the Elims to get a mis-exe

[Through the living Wahr He/Him]

2 hours ago, Myst said:

There are a lot easier ways for the Elims to get a mis-exe

Yes, but it still bugs me that there isn't even an attempt at an Countertrain, I have the feeling that we are missing something, I just dont know what we are missing.

[Myst He/Him]

4 hours ago, Through the living Wahr said:

Yes, but it still bugs me that there isn't even an attempt at an Countertrain, I have the feeling that we are missing something, I just dont know what we are missing.

I thought the same yesterday, and to me I was right

[coco.pudding she/they]

5 hours ago, Through the living Wahr said:

Yes, but it still bugs me that there isn't even an attempt at an Countertrain, I have the feeling that we are missing something, I just dont know what we are missing.

Same. I am bothered that no attempts at a counter train have been made the last two days (until the very end of yesterday). This indicates to me that we’re probably not on the right track with Fizz. But I am willing to vote him I guess, I just don’t think he’s an elim, I don’t feel like the elims would let one of their own go so early like this.

[Verdance he/him]

1 minute ago, coco.pudding said:

Same. I am bothered that no attempts at a counter train have been made the last two days (until the very end of yesterday). This indicates to me that we’re probably not on the right track with Fizz. But I am willing to vote him I guess, I just don’t think he’s an elim, I don’t feel like the elims would let one of their own go so early like this.

The theory is that both of you are elim though