coco.pudding she/they Posted May 12 Posted May 12 8 minutes ago, Verdance said: He defaulted to mippo over you, which I find interesting Here’s why I think he did that: I have come out and said I have a role which could be very useful for village. I said this yesterday and used it to clear two villagers. The fact that I have this role has been confirmed by others who have said my scan was correct on them. He knew this role would be dangerous to his team, but since they have an inhibitor he wasn’t too worried since they can just keep inhibiting me. And he couldn’t actively look like he’s exeing someone with a useful village role, so he voted someone else instead. However, once I became an active threat against him and his fellow elim, he was the first person to vote against me and try to turn this back on me. 8 minutes ago, Verdance said: She basically immediately told me she had cytonics, while i am more inclined to lie and hide them in case of elims. What does this prove? Anyone can claim cytonics, regardless of alignment. Multiple people have openly claimed theirs in thread. Role claiming is very much NAI, and sometimes elims will even be more eager to do it since it will give them villager trust and a reason to not get exed. 1
Wahrheitswächter He/Him Posted May 12 Posted May 12 57 minutes ago, coco.pudding said: This is not a Doc situation. Doc was confirmed a villager at that point (or so we thought). I am not, and therefore the elims are able to turn it back around onto me. For me a Doc Situation is any time I am too trsuting of scan Results (I initially believed his claim in LG110) I am calling them Doc Situations because he fooled me twice with faked Scans. So this could stil very much be a Doc Situation. 1 hour ago, coco.pudding said: Anyways, if you vote for either Star or Drake with me, I can prove that I’m telling the truth, and we won’t end up in a situation with 3 on 3 where village is basically doomed. If I’m wrong, feel free to vote me after, but I promise you I have not lied about anything this entire game, and I am 100% confident Drake and Star are elims. So I will switch my Vote from ___/mippo to Star Now one thing that makes Cocos claim more believable to me is that she has basically created a scenario where Drake and Star have to be e/e which is risky, because if one of them flips v she is doomed. Which is always a risky gambit, especially if there is the risk of softclearing another Villager via NK, I mean its pretty clear that this is a High Power Game so there could be more Hyperjumps be out there and if tjey hit them with a NK while Star or Drake flip as V then they have a real problem.
coco.pudding she/they Posted May 12 Posted May 12 7 minutes ago, Through the living Wahr said: For me a Doc Situation is any time I am too trsuting of scan Results (I initially believed his claim in LG110) I am calling them Doc Situations because he fooled me twice with faked Scans. So this could stil very much be a Doc Situation. Ah okay, that’s fair. Well, it’s not, but you’ll have confirmation soon enough I suppose. 10 minutes ago, Through the living Wahr said: which is risky, because if one of them flips v she is doomed. See the super fun thing is that the opposite is also true. If I die and flip village, they’re both doomed, since everyone will know at that point I’m telling the truth, and they’ll both be exed. Obviously I’d rather not be exed today since that would get us into a lovely little 3v3 situation that I’m not sure village can make it through, but I take comfort in knowing that if I am at least everyone will know I’m right and hopefully vote them out. Oh hey I just realized another thing! In that scenario all three elims would actually be revealed since there are two cleared players. Hm. That’s fun. 1
Wahrheitswächter He/Him Posted May 12 Posted May 12 16 minutes ago, coco.pudding said: Oh hey I just realized another thing! In that scenario all three elims would actually be revealed since there are two cleared players. Hm. That’s fun. I do not believe that there will be two Cleared Villagers after today. This exe will reveal Cocos allignment and the validity of her claims (if v they are most likely true, why would she lie. If e they are most likely false to force miss exe) If Coco is e Drake and Star are clear, the elims will know that an NK one of them to limit cleared people. If Coco is v Me and TUM are clear since she would have no reason to lie about us the Elims would know that and NK either me or TUM in other to limit cleared players.
coco.pudding she/they Posted May 12 Posted May 12 5 minutes ago, Through the living Wahr said: I do not believe that there will be two Cleared Villagers after today. This exe will reveal Cocos allignment and the validity of her claims (if v they are most likely true, why would she lie. If e they are most likely false to force miss exe) If Coco is e Drake and Star are clear, the elims will know that an NK one of them to limit cleared people. If Coco is v Me and TUM are clear since she would have no reason to lie about us the Elims would know that and NK either me or TUM in other to limit cleared players. Oh yeah ig that’s a good point. Well, they can’t kill both of you, at least not this cycle.
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted May 12 Posted May 12 13 hours ago, Through the living Wahr said: Regarding Coco, I kind of want to believe her, because she is saying the truth about me having no PMs the things is I have communicated that previously, (you remember Coco lamenting having no PMs and me saying that I too had no PMs) and If I remember correctly, this happened before her Claim regarding her Scan Results. I am also plagued by the fear that this is a Doc Situation (he fooled me twice with fake scan results, the first time was a similar situation where I believed he was village based on him claiming that je scanned me as village) ...plus if you're village, it's also not that much of a stretch to just guess a random villager probably had no PMs at the beginning of the game. 4 hours ago, Through The Living Star said: Just because I am the only Inhibitor you know of does not mean that I am the one that inhibited you. I'd be willing to bet there is at least one other inhibitor out there (actually, there has to be, because I didn't inhibit you). I'm just the only one that you know of because Fizz told everyone what we talked about in our PM! ...to be fair, this is actually something we could prove maybe. Coco says she was Inhibited yesterday. Did anybody else have their actions fail yesterday? Honestly might be good to know this about other days too. Can Inibitors use other cytonic actions or does Inhibition keep them from doing anything else? 52 minutes ago, Through the living Wahr said: Now one thing that makes Cocos claim more believable to me is that she has basically created a scenario where Drake and Star have to be e/e which is risky, because if one of them flips v she is doomed. Unfortunately no, elim Coco probably wins in this case because too many village deaths causes the village to not be in the majority anymore. Coco even admitted as much.
coco.pudding she/they Posted May 12 Posted May 12 4 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said: plus if you're village, it's also not that much of a stretch to just guess a random villager probably had no PMs at the beginning of the game I actually did that scan in cycle 2, by which point quite a few people had PMs. This is a fact that we know. Besides, that’s a terrible thing to try to lie about. If I was wrong I’d be called out immediately. That’s an insane choice to make that would probably end with me immediately getting exed. Why would I do that? 6 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said: Unfortunately no, elim Coco probably wins in this case because too many village deaths causes the village to not be in the majority anymore. Coco even admitted as much. Um, what? One of us three is getting exed today. If it’s one of you two and you flip village, they know to exe me next cycle. Why would they then choose to exe the other one? Just to be sure? That doesn’t make any sense. What is your argument here? So uh, you got any arguments based on actual logic and sensical decision making?
___ He/Him Posted May 12 Posted May 12 Alright guys I'm back and wow a lot has happened I'm not reading everything but from what I've seen it's coco vs drake I want to take a look at Ver because from what I've seen, coco has been giving good arguments, yet you seem to be more and more inclined that star and drake are V which seems weird to me
Verdance he/him Posted May 12 Posted May 12 Just now, ___ said: Alright guys I'm back and wow a lot has happened I'm not reading everything but from what I've seen it's coco vs drake I want to take a look at Ver because from what I've seen, coco has been giving good arguments, yet you seem to be more and more inclined that star and drake are V which seems weird to me To be completely fair, this is mainly based on vibes and also how they have been accused and not exe’d in the past, with a bit of Drake’s logic convincing me as well.
___ He/Him Posted May 12 Posted May 12 1 minute ago, Verdance said: To be completely fair, this is mainly based on vibes and also how they have been accused and not exe’d in the past, with a bit of Drake’s logic convincing me as well. Wouldn't being accused and not exed be more incriminating?
Verdance he/him Posted May 12 Posted May 12 (edited) 4 minutes ago, ___ said: Wouldn't being accused and not exed be more incriminating? Statistically, its much more likely for a villager to get accused you do realize that my playstyle involves a: PMing Myst and asking what he wants me to do then after Myst dies, b: proceeding without any logic or skill at all, trusting my instincts which usually get me killed Edited May 12 by Verdance 1
___ He/Him Posted May 12 Posted May 12 2 minutes ago, Verdance said: Statistically, its much more likely for a villager to get accused you do realize that my playstyle involves a: PMing Myst and asking what he wants me to do then after Myst dies, b: proceeding without any logic or skill at all, trusting my instincts which usually get me killed Ah well we're similar then 1
coco.pudding she/they Posted May 12 Posted May 12 5 minutes ago, ___ said: I want to take a look at Ver because from what I've seen, coco has been giving good arguments, yet you seem to be more and more inclined that star and drake are V which seems weird to me Absolutely agreed on Ver. However. Would you possibly be willing to vote on one of the existing trains instead though (at least before rollover comes around) so we can make sure we actually get one out? 3 minutes ago, Verdance said: To be completely fair, this is mainly based on vibes and also how they have been accused and not exe’d in the past, with a bit of Drake’s logic convincing me as well. Being accused but not exed is a pretty normal thing for SE tho? Some people have thought I’m suspicious but others have been more suspicious so I haven’t been a viable train until today. This is pretty typical. (iirc your first game was the Harry Potter one right? Both of your games have been pretty not typical games so I can understand why you wouldn’t know that. But now you do!) Um. What logic tho? If there’s an argument of his other than “nah you’re lying” that I haven’t debunked please do point it out, because to me it all just seems like scrambling to find a good argument and falling completely short. 2 minutes ago, Verdance said: Statistically, its much more likely for a villager to get accused You do realize this is an argument against the one you just tried to make it your last post, right? Anyways a reminder to @The Unknown Medallion it looks like you’re the only one who hasn’t voted yet.
Verdance he/him Posted May 12 Posted May 12 Just now, coco.pudding said: Absolutely agreed on Ver. However. Would you possibly be willing to vote on one of the existing trains instead though (at least before rollover comes around) so we can make sure we actually get one out? Being accused but not exed is a pretty normal thing for SE tho? Some people have thought I’m suspicious but others have been more suspicious so I haven’t been a viable train until today. This is pretty typical. (iirc your first game was the Harry Potter one right? Both of your games have been pretty not typical games so I can understand why you wouldn’t know that. But now you do!) Um. What logic tho? If there’s an argument of his other than “nah you’re lying” that I haven’t debunked please do point it out, because to me it all just seems like scrambling to find a good argument and falling completely short. You do realize this is an argument against the one you just tried to make it your last post, right? Anyways a reminder to @The Unknown Medallion it looks like you’re the only one who hasn’t voted yet. Yeah uh i have no idea who the elim is. Every time i suspect someone, they turn around and find some sort of excellent alibi or logic that clears them, and people i thought i might trust seem to be suspect by the general village Again you can look at my games half the time i just listen to Myst 1
coco.pudding she/they Posted May 12 Posted May 12 1 minute ago, Verdance said: Yeah uh i have no idea who the elim is. Every time i suspect someone, they turn around and find some sort of excellent alibi or logic that clears them, and people i thought i might trust seem to be suspect by the general village If it makes you feel better, I also really wanted to trust Drake. He and Myst were the people I was most certain were village before this cycle. But he and Star are both lying, and the way they’ve reacted and especially the arguments Drake is trying to make, have completely changed that for me. So I totally relate to that not knowing who it is or who to trust. But I am completely certain I know who two of the elims are now, and I’m going to do the best I can to get them exed.
Verdance he/him Posted May 12 Posted May 12 Just now, coco.pudding said: If it makes you feel better, I also really wanted to trust Drake. He and Myst were the people I was most certain were village before this cycle. But he and Star are both lying, and the way they’ve reacted and especially the arguments Drake is trying to make, have completely changed that for me. So I totally relate to that not knowing who it is or who to trust. But I am completely certain I know who two of the elims are now, and I’m going to do the best I can to get them exed. Thats what Myst said? maybe im jumping to agro cause im confused, you can go back in neutral ig Coco 1
StrikerEZ he/him Posted May 12 Author Posted May 12 I apologize for the formatting errors that are about to occur since I’m on mobile, but now felt like a good time to plop down an Official Vote Count™ since I’m about to be busy for a bit. coco.pudding (2): Through the Living Star, DrakeMarshall Through the Living Star (2): coco.pudding, Through the living Wahr Verdance (1): ___ (Mippo) ___ (Mippo) (1): IcedOutPenguin
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted May 12 Posted May 12 just going to go on record guessing Coco/TUM/Mippo as the elim team leaning more village on Wahr at the moment, in that I don't think Coco makes as much effort to canvas Wahr in the thread if they're teamed. I mean it could be a bit of elim theater I guess but. I don't rly think so. 38 minutes ago, coco.pudding said: I actually did that scan in cycle 2, by which point quite a few people had PMs. This is a fact that we know. Besides, that’s a terrible thing to try to lie about. If I was wrong I’d be called out immediately. That’s an insane choice to make that would probably end with me immediately getting exed. Why would I do that? Um, what? One of us three is getting exed today. If it’s one of you two and you flip village, they know to exe me next cycle. Why would they then choose to exe the other one? Just to be sure? That doesn’t make any sense. What is your argument here? So uh, you got any arguments based on actual logic and sensical decision making? I mean, I've said why I don't think your claim holds up. Apart from my knowing that it's fake you're legit claiming to be a triple seeker here There's also the timing. In a parallel universe where I was a bystander in this whole thing, I'd like to think I'd still choose to believe the person making a sudden big push here at what's certainly LyLo is probably the elim here. Especially if they were under suspicion before then. Especially if they're denying it's LyLo. And it's not like the timing is an accident it's not like you're saying "oh well I just shared the info as soon as I got it" you're claiming you had three results yesterday but only brought the interesting one up now. When the village no longer has any margin for error and we lose if we get it wrong. There isn't really much reason to do it like that if the claim were genuine. It only helps you secure the last needed mis-execution in order for the elims to win, at which point it doesn't matter how suspicious you look. I really don't think it's just your word and credibility against mine and Star's. I think there's details around the circumstances of this claim that we can examine which make the answer pretty findable. But maybe I'm biased. I definitely am biased. With respect I don't think us thunderdoming is going to do much good here going forward, sorry. Maybe we should focus on making our cases to the other players instead.
coco.pudding she/they Posted May 12 Posted May 12 (edited) 6 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said: you're legit claiming to be a triple seeker here I’ve never played with that ruleset (that’s the AG ruleset right?) so can you explain to me what that is? Bc my understanding is that it’s a different thing. 6 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said: Especially if they're denying it's LyLo. I’ve never denied it’s LyLo. I’ve said multiple times that if we don’t get an elim here we end up in that 3v3 scenario where village loses. Is that not LyLo? 6 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said: you're claiming you had three results yesterday but only brought the interesting one up now. It wasn’t an interesting result until Star lied about it. And since she didn’t lie about it until this cycle, I didn’t bring it up until this cycle. 6 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said: It only helps you secure the last needed mis-execution in order for the elims to win, at which point it doesn't matter how suspicious you look. I could say exactly the same about you two. All you need is one more misexe and then it doesn’t matter that you pushed this hard on a villager, you still win. 6 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said: With respect I don't think us thunderdoming is going to do much good here going forward, sorry. Maybe we should focus on making our cases to the other players instead. I’d like to think that my picking apart the holes in your logic is me making the case to other players. Edited May 12 by coco.pudding 1
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted May 12 Posted May 12 13 minutes ago, Verdance said: Thats what Myst said? maybe im jumping to agro cause im confused, you can go back in neutral ig Coco ...to be clear, I don't think Myst said any of that, Coco is saying that Myst was actually pretty storming paranoid of Coco in our PM together, much moreso than I was at that point. I was the one telling Myst we should wait and see what Coco does before deciding anything ...I don't actually think you should just follow the opinions of another player unquestioningly, but in this specific instance I suppose it works I'm sorry to be pushy but I'm worried the elims show up and vote the wrong person at the end of the day if we can't build enough consensus at the end of the day 1
coco.pudding she/they Posted May 12 Posted May 12 3 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said: Myst was actually pretty storming paranoid of Coco in our PM together, much moreso than I was at that point. I was the one telling Myst we should wait and see what Coco does before deciding anything Ah yes, “a dead player told me they didn’t trust her.” Yeah Myst didn’t trust me. Mostly because of the Fizz thing. Which I have been proven correct about. 5 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said: ...I don't actually think you should just follow the opinions of another player unquestioningly, but in this specific instance I suppose it works My guy. Why are we being hypocritical now? 6 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said: I'm sorry to be pushy but I'm worried the elims show up and vote the wrong person at the end of the day if we can't build enough consensus at the end of the day I actually kind of agree on this one. We really can’t afford to misexe today so we should try to consolidate the votes as much as possible. (I don’t think the elims showing up to vote is much of a threat though since two of the probably three have already voted) 2
Verdance he/him Posted May 12 Posted May 12 15 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said: ...to be clear, I don't think Myst said any of that, Coco is saying that Myst was actually pretty storming paranoid of Coco in our PM together, much moreso than I was at that point. I was the one telling Myst we should wait and see what Coco does before deciding anything ...I don't actually think you should just follow the opinions of another player unquestioningly, but in this specific instance I suppose it works I'm sorry to be pushy but I'm worried the elims show up and vote the wrong person at the end of the day if we can't build enough consensus at the end of the day I meant Myst said he knew who the elims were for sure so even if i take v!coco for granted im not going to take her words for granted
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted May 12 Posted May 12 9 minutes ago, coco.pudding said: I’ve never played with that ruleset (that’s the AG ruleset right?) so can you explain to me what that is? Bc my understanding is that it’s a different thing. It's an info role that provides alignments of players you are claiming to be an info role that provides alignments of players. we can split hairs, but the shoe fits. only you're saying you're triple the power of a normal one, which is already the strongest role in the game. You understand why that might not make a lot of sense. You can argue that it's not exactly a pure alignment scan, but. Look. Either it's expected to be as good as one, or it isn't. If it's not expected to be as good as one, then there's the additional implausibility that you're saying you got functionally 4 scans off in 1 night. Even ignoring that the second two were only brought up later. If it is expected to be as good as one, then a triple seeker is extremely silly. Either way. 9 minutes ago, coco.pudding said: I’ve never denied it’s LyLo. I’ve said multiple times that if we don’t get an elim here we end up in that 3v3 scenario where village loses. Is that not LyLo? ...well, I think I've got you. That's not true and I can prove it. 2 hours ago, Through the living Wahr said: Now one thing that makes Cocos claim more believable to me is that she has basically created a scenario where Drake and Star have to be e/e which is risky, because if one of them flips v she is doomed. Which is always a risky gambit, especially if there is the risk of softclearing another Villager via NK, I mean its pretty clear that this is a High Power Game so there could be more Hyperjumps be out there and if tjey hit them with a NK while Star or Drake flip as V then they have a real problem. Wahr makes the mistake of thinking we can just sort this out tomorrow if we get it wrong, and instead of correcting them, you reinforce it: 2 hours ago, coco.pudding said: See the super fun thing is that the opposite is also true. If I die and flip village, they’re both doomed, since everyone will know at that point I’m telling the truth, and they’ll both be exed. Obviously I’d rather not be exed today since that would get us into a lovely little 3v3 situation that I’m not sure village can make it through, but I take comfort in knowing that if I am at least everyone will know I’m right and hopefully vote them out. You are saying here that everything is fine and Wahr's reasoning for voting Star is totally correct. It isn't. I've got to go but Coco is pretty obviously lying here in a way that helps her case and is misleading about the situation the village is currently in so maybe that helps people sort things out. Coco is saying a lot of things but saying a lot of things doesn't make you right and a lot of these things don't agree I won't be on at rollover. We're probably going to lose But whatever happens it's been an honor I'm reluctantly impressed.
Verdance he/him Posted May 12 Posted May 12 Okay. Can someone other than Coco or Myst try and convince me of something, or lay all the facts out? cause i am not sure what to do one thing i do find suspicious- Myst calls out Fizz, Coco, and TUM. He dies, we find out Fizz was village. Coco is… ambiguous. But TUM completely disappears from chat. Won’t speak. Won’t vote. Is he lying low?
Stardust She/Her Posted May 12 Posted May 12 Sorry for the late response guys, but here's everything I have to say. 4 hours ago, coco.pudding said: I don’t know if you did this, I’m just assuming you did since the elims would obviously want to inhibit me so I can’t clear any more villagers/discover a connection between elims, and you are the only elim inhibitor I know of. First of all, I am not an Elim, and second of all I did not inhibit you. I'm not going to be able to say anything to change your mind, so I am going to move away from this, but still, I did not inhibit you. 4 hours ago, coco.pudding said: Oh, and another thing: Yall could have avoided this whole mess by simply saying “oh, I forgot, yeah I have a pm with Drake too” and that would have been considerably less suspicious. But you didn’t. And now we’re here. EXACTLY. If I was an Elim, it would be way to easy to claim I had a PM with the other elims. That clears me from interceptors. You gotta give me enough credit to be smarter than that. And if I had forgotten or misread a rule or something, it would be so much easier to just claim "oh yeah, my bad, I forgot about that." But I'm not. I feel like that has to show something. ... If I think of anything else I will post something else, but for now that is it. I am telling the truth- I do not have a PM with Drake, and I did not inhibit coco. (It feels like there is something I'm forgetting to say, so you will probably hear from me soon)
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