QF78: Hearts of Riches, Rhythms of Hatred [signups]

[Stick. she/her]

7 minutes ago, Akimikoisthecutest said:

I hear the feedback from TJ, Quian, and TUM. My attempt at a more aggressive playstyle clearly isn't meshing with the room and is causing more distraction than help. I’m going to take a breather and move into a more passive 'Listening' role for the rest of the day. My vote stays on TOW for the reasons I already gave, but I'll let the rest of you lead the direction from here.

interesting, walk us through ur thought process - how did u expect ppl to react to an aggressive playstyle that is apparently in sharp contrast to ur usual one, and why did u chose to use it here?

[Honors Spectral Image She/her]

Hmmm 

[___ He/Him]

1 minute ago, Honors Ghost said:

Hmmm 

Hmmm (x2)

[coco.pudding she/they]

10 minutes ago, Akimikoisthecutest said:

I hear the feedback from TJ, Quian, and TUM. My attempt at a more aggressive playstyle clearly isn't meshing with the room and is causing more distraction than help. I’m going to take a breather and move into a more passive 'Listening' role for the rest of the day. My vote stays on TOW for the reasons I already gave, but I'll let the rest of you lead the direction from here.

Wow that’s a crazy turnaround actually from unapologetically aggressive to this. Feels like you realized that wasn’t working and are now trying to cover that up…but it kind of just makes you more suspicious. 
Then again, it does almost seem like too drastic of a move to be just an accident or a cover up, it feels like you would have been a bit more calculating than this, so that is my one worry here.

However I do think I’ll be voting Akimiko unless something comes up to prove this was just a weird play that didn’t work out and not a scramble to cover something up.

[Akimikoisthecutest]

3 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

However I do think I’ll be voting Akimiko unless something comes up to prove this was just a weird play that didn’t work out and not a scramble to cover something up.

This isn't a scramble. It's basically me trying out a new playstyle, reading the room, seeing how it didn't work, and giving up and letting you exe me.

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

2 minutes ago, Akimikoisthecutest said:

This isn't a scramble. It's basically me trying out a new playstyle, reading the room, seeing how it didn't work, and giving up and letting you exe me.

But why not say this earlier? Why not open with this? Every time I've changed my playstyle, I've pretty explicitly mentored it. Also, why does an aggressive play style involve requiring a consensus train on d1, when information about vote movements is most useful, and why is doing otherwise letting the elims win? Like, I believe that you were trying a new playstyle and I don't have a problem with it, there's more reason to think you're an elim than just tone

[IcedOutPenguin He/Him]

7 minutes ago, Akimikoisthecutest said:

This isn't a scramble. It's basically me trying out a new playstyle, reading the room, seeing how it didn't work, and giving up and letting you exe me.

This feels like a scramble. 

TOW as fun as our rivalry is...

Akimiko 

 

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

The extra votes are worrying me. Still confident enough that Akimiko is e, but I don't trust a lot of the late additions whichever way she flips

[Qianweilian He/him]

1 minute ago, The Unknown Medallion said:

The extra votes are worrying me. Still confident enough that Akimiko is e, but I don't trust a lot of the late additions whichever way she flips

I think some of the elims are jumping on Akimiko to get credibility.

[Honors Spectral Image She/her]

VC i think

TOW: (3) — Jo, Aki, HG

Mistfallen: (4) — TOW ,TJ, archer, stick

aki:(6)-TUM, Mippo, Qian, mistfallen, coco, penguin

[Stick. she/her]

Akimiko 

 

the sentiment is v-indicative on its own but i dont think theyre being genuine when they say this is a new playstyle theyre trying - after all, there were hints of similar AtE in LG109 where they were e 

 

[Akimikoisthecutest]

I see no point in holding onto this information from you all at this point. It is certain I am going to get exed, so I may as well tell you.

I am an inspiring listener and I am protecting someone this round, but I will neglect to say who in hopes that the elims still target them.

No this isn't a last minute desperate roleclaim even though it might seem that way, but I just don't care at this point. I know that there isn't anything I can do to change your minds. Unless you have something important to ask me, this will likely be my final post.

Thanks for being amazing players who made sure to get rid of the weak link first. Bye.

[Stick. she/her]

4 minutes ago, Akimikoisthecutest said:

I know that there isn't anything I can do to change your minds

u could start with answering the questions i have posed to u in this thread 

 

edit: as a villager, u need to level with the rest of the thread and try to work with them. if u want to be found as a villager, u need to help us understand ur train of thought and typically that involves interacting with people, or providing reads. u FoS tow - ok. what else? we need more, because otherwise it looks like antispew on ur end. i hope i am making sense here

Edited February 2 by Stick.

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

^ Same, there's two hours left and I'm fully willing to switch if convinced

[Doc12]

I am extremely confused by the sudden switch on Akimiko. 

First of all, I have no idea where people are getting their vote counts from - there was a lot of talk of ties earlier, but at no point was there a tie - Aki's vote count after mine contained several errors, and I think everyone just went from there?

The current vote count by my count is 

Aki: (7) TUM2, Mippo4, Qian2, Mist4, Coco3, Penguin2, Stick2

Mist: (3) TOW, TJ, Archer7

TOW: (3) Jo, Akimiko, HG3

Wahr: (1) Doc2

As someone who was elim in the AG, Aki as Zebra focused on me D1 and stayed on me the whole time, and was right, so I feel like this 'aggression' isn't completely out of nowhere for them. I actually don't see anything wrong with trying to bring the village to a consensus. The AG had a lot of loud voices, so maybe their voice just seems louder by comparison. I don't know. The only real actual thing people have against them is how aggressive they're currently being?

I don't know if I like how quickly the Wahr train switched to the Aki train. Mippo, Qian, and Coco were all on that train and were very happy to switch on to Aki, so if she flips village I'd be looking into one or more of them. 

3 hours ago, |TJ| said:

I keep coming back to this post from Mistfallen Soldier. Posting a reads list of every player in the game 2 pages into it reads like 'wanting to be seen as village' to me.

Also, we used to have a meta of allowing new players some room to breathe and letting them get into the game a bit, which is why I am not interested in a Wahr execution, at least not in C1. Same for Qian. 

I'm also a little confused about this reasoning from TJ and Archer - in a game where if we get converted our reads will have to change, isn't it a net good for people to be posting the reads they have now, so if their tone on certain player changes later it will become clear?

I need to make dinner, so I'm keeping my vote on Wahr for now, but I want to actually look at when the train splintered and see who instigated that - I believe it was TUM who started that train and everyone followed. 

Back in a bit. 

[Akimikoisthecutest]

6 minutes ago, Stick. said:

u could start with answering the questions i have posed to u in this thread 

Alright, I guess while I'm still alive, I may as well answer any and all questions posed to me. It's the least I could do for being so bad at this. 

41 minutes ago, Stick. said:

interesting, walk us through ur thought process - how did u expect ppl to react to an aggressive playstyle that is apparently in sharp contrast to ur usual one, and why did u chose to use it here?

To be honest, Stick, I didn't have a calculated 'expectation' of how people would react. In AG12, I felt like I was too quiet and didn't help the Town find anyone. I thought if I came into QF78 with more energy and pushed for accountability, I’d be a better asset.

I chose it here because I wanted to be more involved from Day 1. I didn't realize that changing my style would look like 'overcompensating' or 'scum-masking' to veterans—I just thought it was how proactive Townies played. It clearly backfired, which is why I was ready to give up.

53 minutes ago, Qianweilian said:

Also, I have a question for @Akimikoisthecutest. Why is it so critical that we reach a consensus on day 1? Yes, obviously it is desirable if we find a real suspect, but it's not the end of the world like you're painting it as. Why are you so desperate to eliminate someone right now?

I don't really know. I just felt like if I put pressure on some people it would force them to slip up. And I'm the only one who slipped up.

That's really it. I thought if I presented a more unified front, then I'd actually be a useful part of the town. How wrong I was

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Jojala didn't like what was happening. She really didn't think that Khenari was a Regal, but she also knew that due to her own anxieties, she was more willing to believe resigned defenses than most people were. "I'm not sure this is the right choice, but it's the only choice I see right now. Narash, I cast my vote for you, solely because I have more faith in Khenari than in you, and there might be enough suspicion on you to save her."

Mistfallen Scholar

[Stick. she/her]

thanks akimo

 

Mistfallen Soldier

 

ok gn everyone

[Qianweilian He/him]

7 minutes ago, Akimikoisthecutest said:

I just felt like if I put pressure on some people it would force them to slip up. And I'm the only one who slipped up.

That's really it. I thought if I presented a more unified front, then I'd actually be a useful part of the town. How wrong I was

That's a reasonable strategy, but you didn't communicate this well. I also think that works better face to face, it's hard to create a deer in headlights effect with text.

[coco.pudding she/they]

9 minutes ago, Doc12 said:

Mippo, Qian, and Coco were all on that train and were very happy to switch on to Aki, so if she flips village I'd be looking into one or more of them. 

Just going to specify here that I did hop off the Wahr train quite a while before voting Aki. I do agree that there are some people seemingly just hopping on train after train without too much explanation, however I hope I didn’t come across as doing that, since that was not my intention here. 
 

So my take on all this is I think Aki could be very helpful for us later, especially if they are telling the truth with the role claim. Considering what they have now said since my original vote, I do think some of us may have been a bit hasty (yes I am including myself in this category) with voting them, although there were reasons behind it.

I’m fluctuating a lot here on whether or not I want to vote for them. I’m also not sure it matters, since there are so many already on them. 

[|TJ| he/him]

1 hour ago, The Unknown Medallion said:

Like, what is this? This doesn't feel like how Akimiko was in previous games, furthermore, it's overdramatic and misrepresentative of my reasons. 

I'm do not want to jump the gun on them because we should not punish aggressive plays either, and like, what reasons do they have to attack TOW like that? Because the only one who was in danger at the time was Wahr, which would hint at Wahr-Aki team. 

I want to give them the benefit of the doubt. Their defensiveness now seems similar in how they felt like Zebra defending themselves in the AG. I think I'm happy with my vote, and heading to sleep right now. 

[Qianweilian He/him]

13 minutes ago, Doc12 said:

I don't know if I like how quickly the Wahr train switched to the Aki train. Mippo, Qian, and Coco were all on that train and were very happy to switch on to Aki, so if she flips village I'd be looking into one or more of them. 

I mostly initialized the Aki stuff. I wasn't just jumping on a train.

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

14 minutes ago, Doc12 said:

I am extremely confused by the sudden switch on Akimiko. 

First of all, I have no idea where people are getting their vote counts from - there was a lot of talk of ties earlier, but at no point was there a tie - Aki's vote count after mine contained several errors, and I think everyone just went from there?

The current vote count by my count is 

Aki: (7) TUM2, Mippo4, Qian2, Mist4, Coco3, Penguin2, Stick2

Mist: (3) TOW, TJ, Archer7

TOW: (3) Jo, Akimiko, HG3

Wahr: (1) Doc2

As someone who was elim in the AG, Aki as Zebra focused on me D1 and stayed on me the whole time, and was right, so I feel like this 'aggression' isn't completely out of nowhere for them. I actually don't see anything wrong with trying to bring the village to a consensus. The AG had a lot of loud voices, so maybe their voice just seems louder by comparison. I don't know. The only real actual thing people have against them is how aggressive they're currently being?

I don't know if I like how quickly the Wahr train switched to the Aki train. Mippo, Qian, and Coco were all on that train and were very happy to switch on to Aki, so if she flips village I'd be looking into one or more of them. 

I'm also a little confused about this reasoning from TJ and Archer - in a game where if we get converted our reads will have to change, isn't it a net good for people to be posting the reads they have now, so if their tone on certain player changes later it will become clear?

I need to make dinner, so I'm keeping my vote on Wahr for now, but I want to actually look at when the train splintered and see who instigated that - I believe it was TUM who started that train and everyone followed. 

Back in a bit. 

This seems to be skipping over the train on TOW entirely, which was at least a third of my reasoning for voting Akimiko. It seems weird that you also would think everyone's going after Akimiko for tone when I think we've been pretty clear it's about more than that while Akimiko keeps dragging back to that being the only point

I'm really conflicted here, because Akimiko still isn't really engaging. There's no way to tell if Akimiko is really being this gloomy, in which case I feel really bad about exing them, or if they're playing genuine emotion up to survive

In the end, until further notice, my vote is staying because Akimiko's flip either way will be very useful 

[|TJ| he/him]

17 minutes ago, Doc12 said:

I'm also a little confused about this reasoning from TJ and Archer - in a game where if we get converted our reads will have to change, isn't it a net good for people to be posting the reads they have now, so if their tone on certain player changes later it will become clear?

I'm still leaning towards it being way too early in the game for them to post reads on the entire player list. There's also the the fact that they did not defend themselves with the argument you are making which hints to me that they were approaching this in a different way than you are.

[Honors Spectral Image She/her]

A tie would be interesting sooo mist