Scarlet Octopus Posted January 12 Posted January 12 1 minute ago, Pearl Chameleon said: "Meatbags, I require additional orders." Roleclaim please.
Violet Axolotl Posted January 12 Posted January 12 Fletcher flipped his iron medallion idly. The ship was getting crazy, claims by everyone that they are one thing or another. He watches carefully, discerning who is most likely to die this night. This reminded him of years and lives past. He was comfortable. He fingers the iron vial in his pocket, ready.
Taupe Gecko Posted January 12 Posted January 12 3 minutes ago, Scarlet Octopus said: Roleclaim please. Beautiful
Scarlet Octopus Posted January 12 Posted January 12 2 minutes ago, Taupe Gecko said: Beautiful I can be blunt
Mint Heron Posted January 12 Posted January 12 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Pearl Chameleon said: This claim is mostly unrelated to the mental instability of members of the kandra taxon, though this may also certainly be present for certain individuals. EXCUSE YOU RIGHT THERE Spoiler Edited to hell: 4 hours ago, Oxblood Beagle said: Saboteur... Seeker what Nothing makes sense anymore But I do remember running this distro E!side before or something similar and I'd almost think the CSes are more likely to be clean because the Elims being able to scan and snipe is a bit more tricky. Not sure. Edited January 12 by Mint Heron
Violet Axolotl Posted January 12 Posted January 12 Have we thought about the possibility of there being an e! Thug? We wouldn't know is they were lurched or thug, and we would assume lurched because there are four of us My brain's dead and I'm trying to contribute
Pearl Chameleon Posted January 12 Posted January 12 16 minutes ago, Scarlet Octopus said: Roleclaim please. "Meatbag. Is your kind truly so fixated on only one thing? If you like it so much perhaps I should append a role claim to every one of my messages from now on." "Acknowledged. Randomly generating 'role claim'..." "Claim: this unit is a Loyalist Lurcher." "I live to serve."
Melon Dingo Posted January 12 Posted January 12 Just now, Pearl Chameleon said: "Meatbag. Is your kind truly so fixated on only one thing? If you like it so much perhaps I should append a role claim to every one of my messages from now on." "Acknowledged. Randomly generating 'role claim'..." "Claim: this unit is a Loyalist Lurcher." "I live to serve." Oh lovely xD
Violet Axolotl Posted January 12 Posted January 12 1 minute ago, Pearl Chameleon said: "Meatbag. Is your kind truly so fixated on only one thing? If you like it so much perhaps I should append a role claim to every one of my messages from now on." "Acknowledged. Randomly generating 'role claim'..." "Claim: this unit is a Loyalist Lurcher." "I live to serve." WHAT My god
Scarlet Octopus Posted January 12 Posted January 12 1 minute ago, Pearl Chameleon said: "Claim: this unit is a Loyalist Lurcher." ... wow
Mint Heron Posted January 12 Posted January 12 tf no NO YOU CAN'T DO THIS TO ME screwit im watching wrestling Edited to add: 7 minutes ago, Violet Axolotl said: Have we thought about the possibility of there being an e! Thug? We wouldn't know is they were lurched or thug, and we would assume lurched because there are four of us My brain's dead and I'm trying to contribute Yeah, essentially potential need to claim targets subsequently but we'll cross that bridge when we get to it tbh.
Melon Dingo Posted January 12 Posted January 12 Ok fine, I might as well admit I lied about being a seeker. I'm also a lurcher Spoiler Heron this is a joke pls don't die
Violet Axolotl Posted January 12 Posted January 12 1 minute ago, Mint Heron said: tf no NO YOU CAN'T DO THIS TO ME screwit im watching wrestling Edited to add: Yeah, essentially potential need to claim targets subsequently but we'll cross that bridge when we get to it tbh. Okie Just now, Melon Dingo said: Ok fine, I might as well admit I lied about being a seeker. I'm also a lurcher Reveal hidden contents Heron this is a joke pls don't die You're gonna give someone a heart attack
Mint Heron Posted January 12 Posted January 12 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Melon Dingo said: Ok fine, I might as well admit I lied about being a seeker. I'm also a lurcher Reveal hidden contents Heron this is a joke pls don't die Spoiler Edited to add: @Pearl Chameleon Who'd you previously target and what's your view of the path ahead for the Village? Who would you suspect/pressure tomorrow? Edited January 12 by Mint Heron
Pearl Chameleon Posted January 12 Posted January 12 "Drafting two-step authentication protocol..." "Step One: Coinshots and Seekers gather information about Mistborn. Note that Coinshot information gathering technique is often terminal." "Step Two: Coinshots gather information about each other, Seekers gather information about each other." "End two-step authentication protocol." "Claim: this unit is a Saboteur Lurcher." 1
Taupe Gecko Posted January 12 Posted January 12 22 minutes ago, Pearl Chameleon said: "Meatbag. Is your kind truly so fixated on only one thing? If you like it so much perhaps I should append a role claim to every one of my messages from now on." "Acknowledged. Randomly generating 'role claim'..." "Claim: this unit is a Loyalist Lurcher." "I live to serve." So uhh we all gonna ignore the fact bro said “randomly generating”… Also can I just give a shout-out to Lion and Cham for showing up late yet being so devoted to their cosmetic roles while the rest of us basically gave up 1
Violet Axolotl Posted January 12 Posted January 12 1 minute ago, Pearl Chameleon said: "Drafting two-step authentication protocol..." "Step One: Coinshots and Seekers gather information about Mistborn. Note that Coinshot information gathering technique is often terminal." "Step Two: Coinshots gather information about each other, Seekers gather information about each other." "End two-step authentication protocol." "Claim: this unit is a Saboteur Lurcher." ... What I don't even know what to say anymore Just now, Taupe Gecko said: So uhh we all gonna ignore the fact bro said “randomly generating”… Also can I just give a shout-out to Lion and Cham for showing up late yet being so devoted to their cosmetic roles while the rest of us basically gave up Reall And yeah I think we all totally missed that
Melon Dingo Posted January 12 Posted January 12 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Pearl Chameleon said: "Drafting two-step authentication protocol..." "Step One: Coinshots and Seekers gather information about Mistborn. Note that Coinshot information gathering technique is often terminal." "Step Two: Coinshots gather information about each other, Seekers gather information about each other." "End two-step authentication protocol." "Claim: this unit is a Saboteur Lurcher." I don't fully understand how this would work. Stormseeker the Courageous steps up to to the creature? Device? Surely there were some breaths involved in this. "Could you spare just one? I used my last ones in D2 unfortunately (RP I may not complete but I know what I want to have happened)... Actually never mind that's not what's important right now QUERY: For step one, would the Seekers agree to seek the same person? how does step 2 help us identify? QUERY: What are the coinshots supposed to do to gather information about MB? Kill the MB claims? Edited January 12 by Melon Dingo added "the brave", changed brave to couragous
Oxblood Beagle Posted January 12 Posted January 12 @Mint Heron Every time, I like going back to Croc's reads list post and see how the flip offers a new puzzle piece that makes their actions make sense. And now, I guess it makes sense that Croc would move off Meerkat here because like Kangaroo, it's the same Seeker role that they didn't want to lose to Village Kandras. It does make me feel more inclined to think Axolotl is village because Croc wasn't bussing either teammate D1 (Meerkat/Kangaroo) and we also know that Elephant is town, so that could have perfectly been a different wagon to pivot to if he had wanted to protect Axolotl as well
Pearl Chameleon Posted January 12 Posted January 12 (edited) "Engaging predictive routines..." "Prediction: callsign:Ivory Dragonfly is a Loyalist." "Prediction: callsign:Oxblood Beagle is a Loyalist." "Prediction: callsign:Mint Heron is a Loyalist." "Prediction: callsign:Onyx Flamingo is a Saboteur." Quote DAY ONE Sage Kangaroo (5); TIEBREAKER, Salmon Meerkat, Oxblood Beagle, Ivory Dragonfly, Indigo Weasel "Prediction: Saboteur risk tolerance is high." "Prediction: Saboteurs highly prioritized distancing. Saboteur votes highly scattered on day one, with minimal accumulation." Quote DAY ONE Violet Axolotl (4); Onyx Flamingo, Mint Heron, Melon Dingo, Mauve Crocodile Scarlet Octopus (1); Saffron Iguana Sapphire Elephant (1); Sunburst Toucan Salmon Meerkat (2); Sapphire Elephant, Magenta Albatross Sage Kangaroo (5); TIEBREAKER, Salmon Meerkat, Oxblood Beagle, Ivory Dragonfly, Indigo Weasel Mauve Crocodile (1); Quartz Zebra Ivory Dragonfly (2); Violet Axolotl, Scarlet Octopus Indigo Weasel (2); Taupe Gecko, Sage Kangaroo "Prediction validated. If pattern holds, the following suspect pool is evidenced:" "Sunburst Toucan, Sapphire Elephant, Magenta Albatross, Quartz Zebra, Violet Axolotl, Scarlet Octopus." "Unfortunately, this suspect pool remains large. Fortunately, there are additional days to examine." Quote DAY TWO Taupe Gecko (1): Salmon Meerkat Sunburst Toucan (4): Scarlet Octopus, Saffron Iguana, Quartz Zebra, Plum Rhinoceros Scarlet Octopus (4): Violet Axolotl, Sunburst Toucan, Sapphire Elephant, Indigo Weasel Saffron Iguana (6): Oxblood Beagle, Onyx Flamingo, Mint Heron, Melon Dingo, Magenta Albatross, Ivory Dragonfly "Again, high scattering and lack of self-preservation instinct is noteworthy. Meat-brains are known to be emotional, and thus the expected response after losing a tie would be to fear and avoid one. However, votes for callsign:Saffron Iguana developed fairly late." "Prediction: the Saboteurs were unable to respond in time." "Prediction partially invalidated. While this may be true of callsign:Salmon Meerkat it was not true of Callsign:Saffron Iguana, who was present and declined to switch to callsign:Scarlet Octopus. Callsign:Scarlet Octopus also declined to switch to callsign:Saffron Iguana when endangered." "It is acknowledged that callsign:Scarlet Octopus seems to have exterminated a Saboteur Rioter. This may alter the calculus somewhat. However, on the basis of Day Two voting, collusion between callsign:Scarlet Octopus and callsign:Saffron Iguana appears plausible. This does not contradict earlier suspect pool." Quote DAY THREE Scarlet Octopus (3): Violet Axolotl, Quartz Zebra, Onyx Flamingo, Indigo Weasel Salmon Meerkat (6): Taupe Gecko, Scarlet Octopus, Plum Rhinoceros, Oxblood Beagle, Mint Heron, Melon Dingo, Ivory Dragonfly Plum Rhinoceros (2): Sunburst Toucan, Magenta Albatross "Multiple irrelevant Soothing attempts seem to have been made." "Callsign: Salmon Meerkat does not vote, though lack of verbosity in general is a potential explanation. This unit still does not understand the reasons for the execution of callsign: Salmon Meerkat, though it is not complaining. This unit will continue to assume that its strategem of begging chromium ferrings for luck played out." "Callsign:Opal Lion singing callsign:Salmon Meerkat's praises does not seem to have aged well." "Predictive routines deactivated. This unit will take additional cogitation cycles before arriving at a Conclusion." "Claim: this unit is a Saboteur Tineye." 1 hour ago, Melon Dingo said: I don't fully understand how this would work. Stormseeker the Courageous steps up to to the creature? Device? Surely there were some breaths involved in this. "Could you spare just one? I used my last ones in D2 unfortunately (RP I may not complete but I know what I want to have happened)... Actually never mind that's not what's important right now QUERY: For step one, would the Seekers agree to seek the same person? how does step 2 help us identify? QUERY: What are the coinshots supposed to do to gather information about MB? Kill the MB claims? "Acknowledged." "Query Response: Total validation deemed unnecessary, due to redundancy with step two. The proposed course of action is that they investigate different individuals." "Query Response: Coinshots are well-regarded for their investigative faculties. These investigative faculties have the side-effect of terminating their subjects." "Claim: this unit is a Loyalist Tineye." Edited January 12 by Pearl Chameleon
Mint Heron Posted January 12 Posted January 12 51 minutes ago, Oxblood Beagle said: @Mint Heron Every time, I like going back to Croc's reads list post and see how the flip offers a new puzzle piece that makes their actions make sense. And now, I guess it makes sense that Croc would move off Meerkat here because like Kangaroo, it's the same Seeker role that they didn't want to lose to Village Kandras. It does make me feel more inclined to think Axolotl is village because Croc wasn't bussing either teammate D1 (Meerkat/Kangaroo) and we also know that Elephant is town, so that could have perfectly been a different wagon to pivot to if he had wanted to protect Axolotl as well Agreed. Also uh my GOAT won but may have tapped someone's arse (as in tapped out on it) to do it so there will be no end of jokes but holy ring IQ Quote 1. Actively like right now are Dragonfly, Heron, Beagle, Zebra, Dingo, and Kangaroo. 2. Passively neutral reads on Octopus, Gecko, Meerkat, Weasel if they come back and talk more. 3. Actively find unhelpful so far Flamingo, Iguana, Gecko 4. Would vote on Elephant, Axolotl, Albatross. I think they kind of strike the same theme in that they're active and Rping but not saying much game-related but then suddenly being willing to join forming trains. I did a quick glance in my previous post about those who were the second to hop on existing votes, and Kangaroo and Meerkat were on the list too, but they at least have been willing to answer questions which moved them up to neutral or liked. 5. just not enough of a presence Toucan, Rhinoceros, Chameleon, Lion Like I think it's just worth looking at where they were. Moving Meerkat up from Would Vote tier is an interesting strategy btw since both Kanga and Meerkat are Elims that Croc did that for. Ohhhh interesting, Croc has Gecko down twice. No wonder I was going nuts wondering how Croc hit 20. Interesting that Gecko is in two categories. Cham and Lion are two ? here - of the two I'd say probably worse on Lion than Cham. Cham's current refusal to play ball feels a bit V!leaning. Voting behaviour still makes me positive on Gecko and Axl. Rhino with the Meerkat swing is positive on Rhino so I'm ok with this. Dingo... IMO Dingo gets D2 cred, acknowledge the theory, and respect it enough Dingo is not greened again. I'm leaning towards one more Elim in top tier (potentially) or in bottom. I think it's where the numbers skew.
Taupe Gecko Posted January 12 Posted January 12 3 hours ago, Violet Axolotl said: Agreed. We need seekers Eat it whole and leave no crumbs 33 minutes ago, Pearl Chameleon said: "Engaging predictive routines..." "Prediction: callsign:Ivory Dragonfly is a Loyalist." "Prediction: callsign:Oxblood Beagle is a Loyalist." "Prediction: callsign:Mint Heron is a Loyalist." "Prediction: callsign:Onyx Flamingo is a Saboteur." "Prediction: Saboteur risk tolerance is high." "Prediction: Saboteurs highly prioritized distancing. Saboteur votes highly scattered on day one, with minimal accumulation." "Prediction validated. If pattern holds, the following suspect pool is evidenced:" "Sunburst Toucan, Sapphire Elephant, Magenta Albatross, Quartz Zebra, Violet Axolotl, Scarlet Octopus." "Unfortunately, this suspect pool remains large. Fortunately, there are additional days to examine." "Again, high scattering and lack of self-preservation instinct is noteworthy. Meat-brains are known to be emotional, and thus the expected response after losing a tie would be to fear and avoid one. However, votes for callsign:Saffron Iguana developed fairly late." "Prediction: the Saboteurs were unable to respond in time." "Prediction partially invalidated. While this may be true of callsign:Salmon Meerkat it was not true of Callsign:Saffron Iguana, who was present and declined to switch to callsign:Scarlet Octopus. Callsign:Scarlet Octopus also declined to switch to callsign:Saffron Iguana when endangered." "It is acknowledged that callsign:Scarlet Octopus seems to have exterminated a Saboteur Rioter. This may alter the calculus somewhat. However, on the basis of Day Two voting, collusion between callsign:Scarlet Octopus and callsign:Saffron Iguana appears plausible. This does not contradict earlier suspect pool." "Multiple irrelevant Soothing attempts seem to have been made." "Callsign: Salmon Meerkat does not vote, though lack of verbosity in general is a potential explanation. This unit still does not understand the reasons for the execution of callsign: Salmon Meerkat, though it is not complaining. This unit will continue to assume that its strategem of begging chromium ferrings for luck played out." "Callsign:Opal Lion singing callsign:Salmon Meerkat's praises does not seem to have aged well." "Predictive routines deactivated. This unit will take additional cogitation cycles before arriving at a Conclusion." "Claim: this unit is a Saboteur Tineye." "Acknowledged." "Query Response: Total validation deemed unnecessary, due to redundancy with step two. The proposed course of action is that they investigate different individuals." "Query Response: Coinshots are well-regarded for their investigative faculties. These investigative faculties have the side-effect of terminating their subjects." "Claim: this unit is a Loyalist Tineye." H.E.A.R.T.H sniffed as he listened to the automaton's analysis. He felt an odd feeling beginning to rise through his gears, and he didn't like it one bit. What was it? Oh, but he knew exactly what it was from the Memories... a feeling he recognized from seeing others rise in Odium's ranks, from watching the voidbringers smile and laugh in singer homes. Envy. No. No, he could not envy this... this primitive. He thought the word with a snark. Yet H.E.A.R.T.H couldn't refute that it had gotten so much done in so little space. Perhaps H.E.A.R.T.H could carefully monitor this helper... for the good of the crew, of course.
Opal Lion Posted January 12 Posted January 12 [A soft chime indicates you should check your inbox] URGENT NOTICE 1. Please read the attached document. 2. For your reference while reading, see below for a semi-updated version of the comprehensive claims list provided by "Oxblood Beagle" recently. 3. Thank you for returning Basic Metals: An In-Depth Analysis in a timely manner. Spoiler Alive 1. Dragonfly - Lurcher (N1 - Beagle, N2 - Dragonfly) 2. Weasel - Lurcher (N1 - Weasel, N2 - Dragonfly) 3. Zebra - Lurcher (N2 - Heron) 4. Axolotl - Lurcher (N1 - Axolotl, N2 - Heron) 5. Chameleon - Lurcher 6. Dingo - Seeker (N1 - Croc (smoked), N2 - Zebra) 7. Flamingo - Kandra -> Seeker (N2 - Toucan) 8. Heron - Kandra (N1 - Tried to get Seeker) 9. Toucan - Coinshot (N1 - Axolotl, N2 - Idled) 10. Octopus - Coinshot (N1 - Crocodile, N2 - Elephant) 11. Rhinoceros - Mistborn (C1 - Rioter (Idled), C2 - Thug) 12. Gecko - Mistborn (C2 - Tineye, C3 - Rioter) 13. Beagle - Mistborn (C1 - Seeker (Albatross)) 14. Albatross - Vanilla 15. Lion - Vanilla Dead 1. Elephant - V!Mistborn 2. Iguana - E!Kandra 3. Crocodile - E!Rioter 4. Kangaroo - E!Seeker 5. Meerkat - E!Seeker [You open the document to find a hastily written essay] ESSAY V2.9.1 BEST FINAL THE REAL FINAL VERSION According to what we know, there are/were 20 crew members with an expected number of 5-6 being Saboteurs. 4 Saboteurs have been found; there should be 1-2 left. Currently, known deceased Saboteurs include 2 Seekers, 1 Kandra, and 1 Rioter. Notably no firepower. Known deceased Loyalists include 1 Mistborn. "Oxblood Beagle" and "Taupe Gecko" both claimed Mistborn. Both appear to be Loyalists, and taking these claims truthfully would imply there are a total of 3 Loyalist Mistborn. In addition to this, figure "Plum Rhinoceros" claimed Mistborn. Should these all be true, there are 4 Loyalist Mistborn. That is... a lot, in my opinion, keeping in mind that Mistborn is a pretty strong role with the ability to do everything at some point, including shoot and check role/alignment. I find it fairly unlikely that the last Seeker claim is a Saboteur Seeker. If this figure ("Melon Dingo") is a Saboteur, they are not a Seeker. There are 5 Lurcher claims between the following designated figures: "Ivory Dragonfly", "Indigo Weasel", "Quartz Zebra", "Violet Axolotl", and "Peal Chameleon". I would assume at least one of these claims are either false or include a Saboteur Lurcher. I struggle to believe all these claims could be truthful and Loyalist, for my own sanity. To put it in simple terms: You're telling me the Saboteurs have zero firepower and that the Loyalists have likely >3 Seeker/Coinshot/Mistborn roles, along with at least 1 Kandra role to backup one of these? On top of that, the Loyalists have at least 3 Lurchers? Let's say we assume the Saboteurs have exactly a Smoker. That is not a very strong role by itself, and in that case, Loyalists have... extreme firepower, multiple roles that can save others, multiple roles that can be one of these for a cycle, and backups? And the Saboteurs have 2 Seekers, a Rioter, a Smoker, and a Kandra. If this is the case, there should absolutely be another Saboteur missing who has a stronger role, specifically a firepower role (Mistborn/Coinshot). I find it very difficult to believe the last 1-2 Saboteur roles does not include a Mistborn or Coinshot. If anything, I'm hesitant to believe there is a Smoker Saboteur. It's more likely that the potential Smoker is a Mistborn who rolled Smoker already, unless I have missed evidence that points against this. In cases where there are at least 4 Loyalist Lurchers, it would make sense for the Saboteurs to have a Coinshot or Mistborn who will roll Coinshot. Coinshot is technically a stronger role than Mistborn specifically for the Saboteurs, so I honestly am concerned we are missing a Saboteur Coinshot here. A point of evidence for this would be 2 Saboteur Seekers. What use is a Seeker to the Saboteurs if they cannot use it to identify strong Loyalist roles and then take those roles out? Remember that currently there has to be 3+ Loyalist Lurchers, according to claims and my inferences on Saboteur numbers (at most 2 Saboteurs in the pool of 5 Lurcher claims). If the Loyalists have that much potential to stop the Saboteurs from murdering anyone and the Saboteurs do not have an extra role that can kill, then something is extremely wrong with the distro. I would like to believe that will never be the case. The one thing I cannot take into account is if a Loyalist is lying about their role, which I honestly believe there is a pretty good possibility of, given that otherwise there are literally two vanilla Loyalists in a sea of fairly strong roles. I'm not going to dictate your choices here. If you are a Loyalist fakeclaiming a role, I hope you know what you're doing. CONCLUSION I cannot create a distro here that makes any sense because the Loyalist roles that would have to be true to an extent would imply strong roles that have yet to be found from the Saboteurs, because the current known deceased Saboteur roles are not very strong when compared to the minimum of what the Loyalists would have in the case where all Loyalists are being truthful about their roles. The Saboteurs should have a role with firepower here that we have yet to identify. A Saboteur Lurcher and Smoker combo as the last 2 Saboteurs would make no sense next to the Loyalist roles. That does not even take into account that there may only be a single Saboteur left. Please tell me someone has stopped to think about this more than I have. [References and scribbled out notes fill the rest of the page]
Plum Rhinoceros Posted January 12 Posted January 12 I had a stupid thought. @A Jo in the Bush/ @The Unknown Medallion what happens with a Rioter's self-vote if their Riot fails? (Their target was Smoked) At game start (essentially D1), are Smokers' Coppercloud on by default. Like do they start D1 Smoking themselves? Basically thinking if Croc did Riot but accidentally choose their Smoker teammate as the target and that's why it failed.
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted January 12 Author Posted January 12 4 minutes ago, Plum Rhinoceros said: @A Jo in the Bush/ @The Unknown Medallion what happens with a Rioter's self-vote if their Riot fails? (Their target was Smoked) The rules were changed to "Regardless," so the Rioter’s vote always disappears.
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