Oxblood Beagle Posted January 13 Posted January 13 5 minutes ago, Mint Heron said: If it's a lone Sab CS, they kinda gotta choose between E!kill or CS!shot anyway. Actions economy. I struggle a little with a 6 Elim world with a Coinshot, but then again we feel like they gotta have a Lurcher no matter what, right? Hey weird question for you. Suppose you're an Elim. Your team has two Seekers and no Smokers. You learn there are no Tineyes because PMs are closed. What's your approach to the thread/D1? Hmmm, I guess basically a similar approach to what the flipped elims did. Try to make sure the Seekers are never in any real danger because that could be very disastrous to the team, and then also try to scoot into a position where you're never the priority for being investigated (and if it can be helped, the teammates as well)
Mint Heron Posted January 13 Posted January 13 3 minutes ago, Oxblood Beagle said: Hmmm, I guess basically a similar approach to what the flipped elims did. Try to make sure the Seekers are never in any real danger because that could be very disastrous to the team, and then also try to scoot into a position where you're never the priority for being investigated (and if it can be helped, the teammates as well) Does Croc fit into that? 'Cause that's what I'm curious about. I go back to what Ele said D1 where I sided with him a bit, that actually as an Elim in a Tyrian game, you kind of don't want to draw too much attention to yourself if your team spawns without Smokers because if you get scanned, you're just dead. I recall AG...IDK, 9 maybe? having Elims with no Smokers either but seem to recall Archer still played a thread control niche there, maybe less pronounced though. That was the one the Village had a Coinshot and the Elims had way too many Lurchers/Thugs/proteccs, and TUM suffered through it as an Elim in that game Though come to think of it, maybe it accounts for the distancing levels you and Rhino observed?
Oxblood Beagle Posted January 13 Posted January 13 1 minute ago, Mint Heron said: Does Croc fit into that? 'Cause that's what I'm curious about. I go back to what Ele said D1 where I sided with him a bit, that actually as an Elim in a Tyrian game, you kind of don't want to draw too much attention to yourself if your team spawns without Smokers because if you get scanned, you're just dead. I recall AG...IDK, 9 maybe? having Elims with no Smokers either but seem to recall Archer still played a thread control niche there, maybe less pronounced though. That was the one the Village had a Coinshot and the Elims had way too many Lurchers/Thugs/proteccs, and TUM suffered through it as an Elim in that game Though come to think of it, maybe it accounts for the distancing levels you and Rhino observed? I guess. I think there's a double purpose there. First, there has to be an elim who has some level of control in the thread because otherwise, you're basically at the mercy of whoever is in the towncore, and he would fit in that position. Second, it's not really bad for him to draw too much attention to himself because that draws attention away from his teammates. And while Rioter is quite a good role, it's not really as disastrous to lose it to a v!Kandra as compared to the Seekers. And yeah, I think that must have been intentional on their part to be distancing from each other, so that if one gets scanned, the others don't necessarily fall immediately
Taupe Gecko Posted January 13 Posted January 13 3 hours ago, Mint Heron said: I'm minded of what Araris said about the last Elims clearly doing something unexpected to slip past us ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ “Araris” oop Aleight I gotta admit I heavily skimmed your distro talks but I do have some thoughts First off, if we’re back to Octo=village worldview, then I’m back to the suspicion that one of Toucan/Zebra is evil. I think there’s a direct correlation there, so personally, to any Seekers I recommend one of those two And if either of those is evil, we can extrapolate with Flam for Toucan and idr who for Zebra As for Lurchers: uhh I don’t want to die tonight but I haven’t seen anyone talk about me so can we do something with a pooo of candidates? And then the Lurchers just Lurch within that pool but the elims don’t know who in the pool and so tk not risk it they shoot someone who’s not in the pool
Plum Rhinoceros Posted January 13 Posted January 13 I also think that keeping Seeker teammate is important not just to keep it out of v!Kandra's hands (mouth?), the fact that distro gave them 2 Seekers should be enough to set off alarm bells re: village PRs and set them out to hunt for them aggressively.
Mint Heron Posted January 13 Posted January 13 Just now, Plum Rhinoceros said: v!Kandra's hands (mouth?) wallahi i've been fasting
Plum Rhinoceros Posted January 13 Posted January 13 1 minute ago, Mint Heron said: wallahi i've been fasting Ik and you said you don't mind dying. How can you go out on an empty stomach????
Mint Heron Posted January 13 Posted January 13 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Plum Rhinoceros said: Ik and you said you don't mind dying. How can you go out on an empty stomach???? food doesn't pass customs edit: apparently they don't approve of eating people Edited to add 2: 7 minutes ago, Taupe Gecko said: First off, if we’re back to Octo=village worldview, then I’m back to the suspicion that one of Toucan/Zebra is evil. I think there’s a direct correlation there, so personally, to any Seekers I recommend one of those two ...bro... Seekers already scanned them... if we think they are evil there is nothing to scan because the two Seekers are hardly gonna change their minds on a rescan... (There's a world you ask Flam to scan Zebra and Dingo to scan Toucan, but good luck with that, and also we might just get one hell of a thunderdome the next day.) Edited January 13 by Mint Heron
Taupe Gecko Posted January 13 Posted January 13 4 minutes ago, Mint Heron said: food doesn't pass customs edit: apparently they don't approve of eating people Edited to add 2: ...bro... Seekers already scanned them... if we think they are evil there is nothing to scan because the two Seekers are hardly gonna change their minds on a rescan... (There's a world you ask Flam to scan Zebra and Dingo to scan Toucan, but good luck with that, and also we might just get one hell of a thunderdome the next day.) What’s a thunder dome? Also @Onyx Flamingo@Melon Dingo please scan Zebra and Dingo, respectively, pretty please
Plum Rhinoceros Posted January 13 Posted January 13 Just now, Taupe Gecko said: Also @Onyx Flamingo@Melon Dingo please scan Zebra and Dingo, respectively, pretty please Pretty sure you're confusing names xD Dingo has already scanned Zebra and Flamingo need to scan Dingo We don't need any more scans on Zebra because v!Dingo -> v!Zebra Hm, I guess e!Dingo could be saying the truth about v!Zebra but we'll see about the 6th elim after we vote put potentially e!Dingo
Oxblood Beagle Posted January 13 Posted January 13 3 minutes ago, Taupe Gecko said: What’s a thunder dome? Also @Onyx Flamingo@Melon Dingo please scan Zebra and Dingo, respectively, pretty please A 1 v 1 where one is most likely evil and it's one person's word vs the other's
Mint Heron Posted January 13 Posted January 13 Just now, Taupe Gecko said: Also @Onyx Flamingo@Melon Dingo please scan Zebra and Dingo, respectively, pretty please Why are you asking Dingo to go rescan himself. Thunderdome is because if Dingo+Zebra and Flam+Toucan worlds are mutually exclusive and one of them is E, they'll accuse each other the next day and then we get the joy of trying to decide which of them is actually lying. 8 minutes ago, Plum Rhinoceros said: Ik and you said you don't mind dying. How can you go out on an empty stomach???? For clarity's sake I have sent in the orders to eat Meerkat regardless, since we are not holding my whateverwewannacallthat in reserve. Just now, Plum Rhinoceros said: Pretty sure you're confusing names xD Dingo has already scanned Zebra and Flamingo need to scan Dingo We don't need any more scans on Zebra because v!Dingo -> v!Zebra I'm telling y'all the more y'all ping with different orders the more people are gonna get confused and start sending in weird stuff. Thank God my order is simple I am refusing to eat Croc. 17 minutes ago, Oxblood Beagle said: I guess. I think there's a double purpose there. First, there has to be an elim who has some level of control in the thread because otherwise, you're basically at the mercy of whoever is in the towncore, and he would fit in that position. Second, it's not really bad for him to draw too much attention to himself because that draws attention away from his teammates. And while Rioter is quite a good role, it's not really as disastrous to lose it to a v!Kandra as compared to the Seekers. And yeah, I think that must have been intentional on their part to be distancing from each other, so that if one gets scanned, the others don't necessarily fall immediately Fair. I think some of it is a plausibility thought wrt the likelihood of Dingo having encountered a Smoker. I'm trying to see how this might gel with their behaviour - or not.
Plum Rhinoceros Posted January 13 Posted January 13 2 minutes ago, Mint Heron said: For clarity's sake I have sent in the orders to eat Meerkat regardless, since we are not holding my whateverwewannacallthat in reserve. Hunger?
Mint Heron Posted January 13 Posted January 13 7 minutes ago, Plum Rhinoceros said: Hunger? Stomach space
Taupe Gecko Posted January 13 Posted January 13 45 minutes ago, Mint Heron said: Why are you asking Dingo to go rescan himself. I meant Toucan Flamingo scan Zebra Dingo scan Toucan thunderdome oh well If we get a thunderdome, at least it tells us one of those two is crooked and then its just a matter of clearing both So yeah, @Onyx Flamingo @Melon Dingo in the off chance you're reading this ignore what I missaid before this is my suggestion To any Lurchers out there: Again, I'd rather not die today
Taupe Gecko Posted January 13 Posted January 13 9 hours ago, Taupe Gecko said: Nvm I can RP a tiny bit H.E.A.R.T.H’s cogs and gears trembled as he reached to charge himself for the final time in the day. If he had eyes in this form, he would shut them; if given a choice, he would step away. Yet the people of the TYRIAN deserved better. And he had to know the truth. For a while, the ship was silent; but it was never silent for H.E.A.R.T.H. There was always the hum of the engines, the steady reassurance that the spores continued to function. But even that was beginning to falter. For a while, H.E.A.R.T.H waited. His hands would not take the final step. He was a coward. He knew it, oh if only he could accept it. But there was no recognition for cowardice, not even a silent reward. The thought of simply not charging crossed H.E.A.R.T.H’s mind - but he dismissed it just as quickly. He would have to be brave. He had been brave, in the past. H.E.A.R.T.H thought of the soldier who trecked through damnation for passion, never knowing when respite would arrive. He thought of the man who ran into battle, prepared to die because there was so much more important than his life. He thought of the boy scared to leap the gorge, but who did it anyway, for that girl’s smile - for her hand on the other side. He thought of Zense, of Levin, of Echo. They needed him. They needed him strong. He would see them on the other side. And so H.E.A.R.T.H plugged himself in, and everything went dark. Dark, and then the haunting sound of a whistle arrived. H.E.A.R.T.H opened his eyes to blood. The stone was covered in blood, and bodies. His vision returned slowly, and it took him a second to remember where he was. Then came the panic. The footsteps continued to get closer, and with them, the whistling. It was melodic, like a song you would hum to children. He had never heard anything so frightening. H.E.A.R.T.H tried to stand, and when he couldn't lift more than an inch, to crawl, drag himself away. But his hands kept slipping on the blood, and his entire body spasmed with pain. He couldn't help it; he let out a groan. And then the footsteps stopped. They were right there. He was right there. H.E.A.R.T.H itched to swivel around, to strike whoever stood there, but he couldn't. His entire body had just... given up. He heard the figure crouch next to him, and shut his eyes. Perhaps this would be quick. Then, suddenly, the feel of cold skin on his face shocked him. The figure had grabbed his face and turned it. Tentative, H.E.A.R.T.H opened his eyes. The man looking down at him was human - a voidbringer with white hair and sharp features. And he didn't look frightened. H.E.A.R.T.H tried to speak, but he felt a warm wetness in his mouth, and all that came out was a low gurgle. "Shhhh," the figure reassured calmy. "You're hurt. Don't waste your energy." H.E.A.R.T.H stopped, and looked him up and down. The figure had turned to something else now - a bag. For a second, H.E.A.R.T.H hoped. For a second, he thought he stood a chance. Then the man pulled out a spike. H.E.A.R.T.H's heart accelerated. No. No. The figure sensed his anxiety, and turned to him. Once again, it shushed him. "Be quiet. This will all be over soon." Such a nice voice, for such a monster. H.E.A.R.T.H let out a final, voiceless scream as the spike came down on his face.
Oxblood Beagle Posted January 13 Posted January 13 30 minutes ago, Taupe Gecko said: I meant Toucan Flamingo scan Zebra Dingo scan Toucan thunderdome oh well If we get a thunderdome, at least it tells us one of those two is crooked and then its just a matter of clearing both So yeah, @Onyx Flamingo @Melon Dingo in the off chance you're reading this ignore what I missaid before this is my suggestion To any Lurchers out there: Again, I'd rather not die today Uh, they're better off scanning each other. If Toucan/Zebra scans as v, it doesn't automatically mean that the person that initially scanned them is also v. Meerkat had N1 and N2 to scan someone and it's possible that they slipped in a real scan result there
Taupe Gecko Posted January 13 Posted January 13 1 minute ago, Oxblood Beagle said: Uh, they're better off scanning each other. If Toucan/Zebra scans as v, it doesn't automatically mean that the person that initially scanned them is also v. Meerkat had N1 and N2 to scan someone and it's possible that they slipped in a real scan result there Fair fair Idk I'm tired of pinging them They probably won't see this anyway
Jo and the Bush all/any Posted January 13 Posted January 13 11 hours ago, Mint Heron said: If a Seeker finds a Smoked target, then we know the Elims have at least two members left, because a Smoker cannot Smoke and kill at the same time. @The Unknown Medallion / @A Jo in the Bush is this correct? I see y'all turned Smoking into a turn-by-turn voluntary thing. 9 hours ago, Mint Heron said: Actually ok actual thought: it has to be an E!Smoker/Mistborn if true. I keep forgetting Smoking is Turn-based in this game. No Village Smoker would be Smoking at Night - it's counterproductive. You would Smoke in the Day to prevent Emotional Allomancy shenanigans. Hmm. huh. I didn't really think about that. This change really is a boost specifically to V!Smokers, and a bane to E!Smokers. Fascinating. Oops? It's true that a player cannot take two actions, they cannot kill and smoke in the same night.
Scarlet Octopus Posted January 13 Posted January 13 8 minutes ago, Taupe Gecko said: And so the crawl begins The crawl?
Taupe Gecko Posted January 13 Posted January 13 2 minutes ago, Scarlet Octopus said: The crawl? Yes The slow, silent crawl towards rollover
Onyx Flamingo Posted January 13 Posted January 13 8 hours ago, Oxblood Beagle said: I guess I always like to fall back on D1 since that has been quite an informative day. Albatross is my green check, so that's 100% never to be exe'd (unless we have some weird hidden Godfather role or something) Knowing that Kangaroo is Seeker, I wouldn't be initially looking at Gecko, Dragonfly, Weasel, and you. I think the only world that that makes sense is where it really counts on Crocodile being able to Riot before rollover, and that's such a risky move to make when losing Kangaroo would lead to the village potentially gaining the advantage (since the elims do not have any certainty of their Kandra being the higher generation) I don't think Axolotl makes sense to be elim because there's a contradiction in that Croc was pushing them while neither Iguana nor Kangaroo committed to taking them out. I don't think Iguana really would have started a counterwagon on a fellow elim after moving off Kangaroo since Elephant was another option right there to vote. Flamingo and Dingo are both center pieces here. Flamingo is vouching for Toucan while Dingo is vouching for Zebra. Both Toucan and Zebra didn't have strong D1s, so they're only ever elim in a world where the person vouching them is also elim. Between Flamingo and Dingo, if someone has to be an elim, I think it'd make more sense for it behavior-wise to be Dingo Rhinoceros also had a not very strong D1, but has been better at least in the following days. So, I guess that leaves me at the same PoE of <Rhinoceros, Dingo, Chameleon, and Lion>. That's probably in the order of how I would approach it, where Lion is the person I want to look at most @Onyx Flamingo What was your generation number as kandra again? 16th. 2 hours ago, Taupe Gecko said: What’s a thunder dome? Also @Onyx Flamingo@Melon Dingo please scan Zebra and Dingo, respectively, pretty please 1 hour ago, Taupe Gecko said: I meant Toucan Flamingo scan Zebra Dingo scan Toucan thunderdome oh well If we get a thunderdome, at least it tells us one of those two is crooked and then its just a matter of clearing both So yeah, @Onyx Flamingo @Melon Dingo in the off chance you're reading this ignore what I missaid before this is my suggestion To any Lurchers out there: Again, I'd rather not die today I will stick to my seek.
Taupe Gecko Posted January 13 Posted January 13 Just now, Onyx Flamingo said: I will stick to my seek. Alright Don't know what that is, but in you I'll trust
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