LG108: A Tale of Rats and Spores

[Amanuensis he/him]

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[Araris Valerian he/him]

40 minutes ago, A Jo in the Bush said:

Verdant pots

These don't work on the NK, which doesn't require the elim to leave their cabin.

[Amanuensis he/him]

Night Three is over. Stay tuned.

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

Shifter watched the dawn rise alone. He sat at the bow of the ship, legs over the edge, soaking it all in. It would all end soon. The dawn would break, and the chaos would resume. Worse than ever before, as their chances to find the killers dwindled. But now - for these few, golden minutes - none of that existed.

Shifter looked down at his arm. It was so covered in bandages he could barely move it, but he could still feel the pain. Feel the searing where the crimson had torn through his flesh. Some wounds would never heal completely. This was one of them. He had been lucky the other had saved him; he should never have let his guard down. He had almost lost it all...

The sun continued to rise, and the first warm rays began to brush Shifter's face. He was reminded then of his weariness. He hadn't slept since the previous night - and even then, he had received little. But he could not stop. The will inside him would not allow it. So instead, in this time of peace, his thoughts were forced to return to the murders. Roberto had finally spoken up, and Shifter liked him. That made things more difficult. For the others, all his attempts to figure something out had only raised more questions. He hadn't spoken to Armiel or Illi in a while, yet they were both enigmas - powerful men, in different ways, yet shrouded in mystery. Shifter wished he could have the time to peel back those mysteries. Maybe even peel back his own. But the cycle was unforgiving.

This was not a job for Shifter anymore. When the dawn rose, the Forsaken Son rose with it.

Edited October 11, 2025 by Hoid Slayer

[Amanuensis he/him]

LG108, Day Four — dElAyEd

mUch lIkE OUr ArrIvAl tO dIggEn's pOInt, thIs wrItE uP hAs bEEN dElAyEd.

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thOmAs (Bellandrius Ohhmar) has been found dead in their cabin. They were a Royal Loyalist.

Shifter (Hoid Slayer) has been  healed  from his Wound and promoted to Apprentice.

Sozar (CoderDrag0n8) has been Wounded. They will die at the start of Night FOUR unless 4/7 Players  vote  to heal him by the end of DAY FOUR.

Day Four has begun and will end on Sunday, October 12th, at 10:00 PM EST, approximately 48 hours from now.

If you did not receive your GM PM, please @mention me and I will remedy that ASAP.

 

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Day Four Quartermaster's Spore Storeroom

• ~ Zephyr Charges
• 3 Verdant Charges
• 3 Crimson Charges
• 2 Sunlight Charges
• 1  Roseite Charge
• 1  Novice Verdant Pot
• 1  Apprentice Zephyr Pot

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Player List

1. @Araris Valerian — Armiel — Novice
2. @Belandrius Ohhmar — thOmmAs — Apprentice — Royal Loyalist
3. @The Unknown Hammerer — Illi — Master
4. @TwinStorm — Rane — Master — Royal Loyalist
5. @CoderDrag0n8 — Sozar — Apprentice
6. @ThatOneWorldhopper — Fuejrheisjjeirjeujdjeuuduwii — Novice — Royal Loyalist
7. @RoyalBeeMage — William Thorne — Apprentice
8. @Hoid Slayer — Shifter — Novice Apprentice
9. @IcedOutPenguin — Itenii — Novice — Royal Loyalist
10. @A Jo in the Bush — Emmett — Novice
11. @Doc12 — Braid — Novice — Royal Loyalist
12. @STINK — Roberto — Apprentice

Edited October 13, 2025 by Amanuensis

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

So I'm the only person who ranked up? Huh

Well, BelOh kill was certainly unexpected

The Unknown Hammerer

[RoyalBeeMage he/him]

that is a lot of things happening simultaneously... geez either these elims are getting the better of us or a village decided to be a vigilantee. 

[Araris Valerian he/him]

14 minutes ago, RoyalBeeMage said:

that is a lot of things happening simultaneously... geez either these elims are getting the better of us or a village decided to be a vigilantee. 

I’m pretty sure the elims are the ones using the crimson pots. A villager would claim to have done it.

Not gonna lie, I was about to reconsider Belandrius for the exe, so I can’t really complain about his death.

Let’s start off by assuming Hoid is village. Given that, the elims would win if Hoid died to the pot. Pretty sure the kill on Belandrius was because he didn’t have the sort of thread presence to warrant using Roseite on him. So the elims would obviously have an incentive to argue to not save him. But they also wouldn’t want to out themselves by being the only people to not vote to save him. With that in mind, I propose that exactly 1 of the 5 people that voted to save Hoid is elim. If it were 2, they could have removed their votes and killed him to win the game. Not counting myself, that means exactly 1 of (RBM, CD, TUH) is elim. The other two elims are Joe and STINK. So probably not TUH unless the elims just all voted for Hoid D2. RBM voted to save Hoid after he was already saved, which isn’t a good look. So we should save CD.

Or Hoid is elim.

So basically we should exe Joe, STINK, or Hoid today, and any other votes don’t make much sense. I’m honestly pretty confident Joe is elim at this point. From my perspective, e!Hoid had me pocketed and wouldn’t have switched the D3 votes onto me, so anyone who wants to convince me to vote on him needs to explain that to me.

@Hoid Slayer

Thoughts on my analysis/can you explain your TUH vote?

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

44 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

So I'm the only person who ranked up? Huh

Well, BelOh kill was certainly unexpected

The Unknown Hammerer

pwetty ples? *big eyes*

43 minutes ago, RoyalBeeMage said:

that is a lot of things happening simultaneously... geez either these elims are getting the better of us or a village decided to be a vigilantee. 

cmon, im dying! pweaaaaaaaaaaseeeeeee?

9 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

I’m pretty sure the elims are the ones using the crimson pots. A villager would claim to have done it.

Not gonna lie, I was about to reconsider Belandrius for the exe, so I can’t really complain about his death.

Let’s start off by assuming Hoid is village. Given that, the elims would win if Hoid died to the pot. Pretty sure the kill on Belandrius was because he didn’t have the sort of thread presence to warrant using Roseite on him. So the elims would obviously have an incentive to argue to not save him. But they also wouldn’t want to out themselves by being the only people to not vote to save him. With that in mind, I propose that exactly 1 of the 5 people that voted to save Hoid is elim. If it were 2, they could have removed their votes and killed him to win the game. Not counting myself, that means exactly 1 of (RBM, CD, TUH) is elim. The other two elims are Joe and STINK. So probably not TUH unless the elims just all voted for Hoid D2. RBM voted to save Hoid after he was already saved, which isn’t a good look. So we should save CD.

Or Hoid is elim.

So basically we should exe Joe, STINK, or Hoid today, and any other votes don’t make much sense. I’m honestly pretty confident Joe is elim at this point. From my perspective, e!Hoid had me pocketed and wouldn’t have switched the D3 votes onto me, so anyone who wants to convince me to vote on him needs to explain that to me.

@Hoid Slayer

Thoughts on my analysis/can you explain your TUH vote?

Thank you. I agree with the elim crimson pots theory, (i was actually like, oh dang i would have exed braid if she was still alive) and the Joe theory.

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Sozar was wounded. It's not fatal, yet. But it will be soon. He should have used his rosite pot.

Why didn't he?

He was too focused on ranking up.

He should've-No. No time to rethink things. He just had to hope he lives, although the spore sea looked real inviting right about now

[RoyalBeeMage he/him]

10 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

I’m pretty sure the elims are the ones using the crimson pots. A villager would claim to have done it.

are you saying it was an elim then who used it on hoid D3?

13 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

RBM voted to save Hoid after he was already saved, which isn’t a good look.

i actually just misscounted and wanted to save hoid due to the reasoning i gave N3

15 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

I’m pretty sure the elims are the ones using the crimson pots. A villager would claim to have done it.

Not gonna lie, I was about to reconsider Belandrius for the exe, so I can’t really complain about his death.

Let’s start off by assuming Hoid is village. Given that, the elims would win if Hoid died to the pot. Pretty sure the kill on Belandrius was because he didn’t have the sort of thread presence to warrant using Roseite on him. So the elims would obviously have an incentive to argue to not save him. But they also wouldn’t want to out themselves by being the only people to not vote to save him. With that in mind, I propose that exactly 1 of the 5 people that voted to save Hoid is elim. If it were 2, they could have removed their votes and killed him to win the game. Not counting myself, that means exactly 1 of (RBM, CD, TUH) is elim. The other two elims are Joe and STINK. So probably not TUH unless the elims just all voted for Hoid D2. RBM voted to save Hoid after he was already saved, which isn’t a good look. So we should save CD.

Or Hoid is elim.

So basically we should exe Joe, STINK, or Hoid today, and any other votes don’t make much sense. I’m honestly pretty confident Joe is elim at this point. From my perspective, e!Hoid had me pocketed and wouldn’t have switched the D3 votes onto me, so anyone who wants to convince me to vote on him needs to explain that to me.

@Hoid Slayer

Thoughts on my analysis/can you explain your TUH vote?

2 minutes ago, CoderDrag0n8 said:

pwetty ples? *big eyes*

cmon, im dying! pweaaaaaaaaaaseeeeeee?

Thank you. I agree with the elim crimson pots theory, (i was actually like, oh dang i would have exed braid if she was still alive) and the Joe theory.

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Sozar was wounded. It's not fatal, yet. But it will be soon. He should have used his rosite pot.

Why didn't he?

He was too focused on ranking up.

He should've-No. No time to rethink things. He just had to hope he lives, although the spore sea looked real inviting right about now

i dont fully understand the E!joe theory... can you two explain that...

 

[Amanuensis he/him]

Forgot something again

 

Day Four Quartermaster's Spore Storeroom

• ~ Zephyr Charges
• 3 Verdant Charges
• 3 Crimson Charges
• 2 Sunlight Charges
• 1  Roseite Charge
• 1  Novice Verdant Pot
• 1  Apprentice Zephyr Pot

 

This is accurate to recent player drops.

 

Edited October 11, 2025 by Amanuensis

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

20 minutes ago, RoyalBeeMage said:

are you saying it was an elim then who used it on hoid D3?

i actually just misscounted and wanted to save hoid due to the reasoning i gave N3

i dont fully understand the E!joe theory... can you two explain that...

 

Can u save me?

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

Love how Coder’s just going around shamelessly begging for mercy

Okay I should sleep but it’s a weekend so I can waste some time

48 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

I’m pretty sure the elims are the ones using the crimson pots. A villager would claim to have done it.

Not gonna lie, I was about to reconsider Belandrius for the exe, so I can’t really complain about his death.

Let’s start off by assuming Hoid is village. Given that, the elims would win if Hoid died to the pot. Pretty sure the kill on Belandrius was because he didn’t have the sort of thread presence to warrant using Roseite on him. So the elims would obviously have an incentive to argue to not save him. But they also wouldn’t want to out themselves by being the only people to not vote to save him. With that in mind, I propose that exactly 1 of the 5 people that voted to save Hoid is elim. If it were 2, they could have removed their votes and killed him to win the game. Not counting myself, that means exactly 1 of (RBM, CD, TUH) is elim. The other two elims are Joe and STINK. So probably not TUH unless the elims just all voted for Hoid D2. RBM voted to save Hoid after he was already saved, which isn’t a good look. So we should save CD.

Or Hoid is elim.

So basically we should exe Joe, STINK, or Hoid today, and any other votes don’t make much sense. I’m honestly pretty confident Joe is elim at this point. From my perspective, e!Hoid had me pocketed and wouldn’t have switched the D3 votes onto me, so anyone who wants to convince me to vote on him needs to explain that to me.

@Hoid Slayer

Thoughts on my analysis/can you explain your TUH vote?

My TUH vote came from an analysis similar to yours; from the pool of people voting to save me, I expect one elim. It’s possible there was no elim, but my gut doubts it

That leaves us with [CD, Araris, TUH, Bee]. I think all of these are roughly equal in terms of purely technical elim potential - an elim could’ve joined the train early with the intention of securing the win by leaving it later, and only stayed once a fifth vote - Bee - joined. Or Bee could be the elim.

The reason I honed in on TUH was because of his position; as a Master who has had time to prepare quite a bit in the game so far, his survival strikes me as odd - the Theory of Unnatural Survival (TUS) strikes again

Aaand that’s about as far as my quick reaction reasoning got

What I hadn’t realized was that this all but proves Stink and Jo elim; it almost seems too easy, too big of an elim slip up. It’d be real funny if they crimsoned me and then lost because of it

So yeah, in retrospect, a TUH kill makes far less sense than a Jo one

And as for CD: I don’t know how to feel about you, but it seems we have a clear path forward, and I don’t feel nearly confident enough in your evilness to risk everything on it

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

1 hour ago, Hoid Slayer said:

So I'm the only person who ranked up? Huh

Well, BelOh kill was certainly unexpected

The Unknown Hammerer

Why on Earth would e!me heavily suggest an exe on BelOh for today then kill them?

1 hour ago, Araris Valerian said:

I’m pretty sure the elims are the ones using the crimson pots. A villager would claim to have done it.

Not gonna lie, I was about to reconsider Belandrius for the exe, so I can’t really complain about his death.

Let’s start off by assuming Hoid is village. Given that, the elims would win if Hoid died to the pot. Pretty sure the kill on Belandrius was because he didn’t have the sort of thread presence to warrant using Roseite on him. So the elims would obviously have an incentive to argue to not save him. But they also wouldn’t want to out themselves by being the only people to not vote to save him. With that in mind, I propose that exactly 1 of the 5 people that voted to save Hoid is elim. If it were 2, they could have removed their votes and killed him to win the game. Not counting myself, that means exactly 1 of (RBM, CD, TUH) is elim. The other two elims are Joe and STINK. So probably not TUH unless the elims just all voted for Hoid D2. RBM voted to save Hoid after he was already saved, which isn’t a good look. So we should save CD.

Or Hoid is elim.

So basically we should exe Joe, STINK, or Hoid today, and any other votes don’t make much sense. I’m honestly pretty confident Joe is elim at this point. From my perspective, e!Hoid had me pocketed and wouldn’t have switched the D3 votes onto me, so anyone who wants to convince me to vote on him needs to explain that to me.

@Hoid Slayer

Thoughts on my analysis/can you explain your TUH vote?

I mostly agree with this. CD Unless a villager feels inclined to claim these mysterious crimson pots that set up the elims for a win.

Jo's analysis seems to be trying to get the village to kill somebody, which is an odd stance to have, even if you're confident in e!Hoid.

Hoid could still be e though. That's definitely not out of the cards.

7 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

(TUS)

Should this be my next name?

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

13 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

What I hadn’t realized was that this all but proves Stink and Jo elim

What proves stink and Joe elim?

1 hour ago, Araris Valerian said:

CD.

Thank you

13 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

CD

Thank you

7 minutes ago, The Unknown Hammerer said:

CD

Thank ye!

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

Just now, CoderDrag0n8 said:

What proves stink and Joe elim?

From v!Hoid's perspective, the elims wanted him dead. If they could have switched off to kill him, they would have. That means only one elim could have voted him. There are three elims total, and two people who didn't vote to save him, meaning they have to be elim.

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

Just now, The Unknown Hammerer said:

From v!Hoid's perspective, the elims wanted him dead. If they could have switched off to kill him, they would have. That means only one elim could have voted him. There are three elims total, and two people who didn't vote to save him, meaning they have to be elim.

Ohhhhhhhhh

that makes sense, thanks

1 hour ago, RoyalBeeMage said:

are you saying it was an elim then who used it on hoid D3?

i actually just misscounted and wanted to save hoid due to the reasoning i gave N3

i dont fully understand the E!joe theory... can you two explain that...

 

I’m bleeding out here… there will be no more coder to explain soon…

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

10 hours ago, Araris Valerian said:

I’m pretty sure the elims are the ones using the crimson pots. A villager would claim to have done it.

Let’s start off by assuming Hoid is village. Given that, the elims would win if Hoid died to the pot. Pretty sure the kill on Belandrius was because he didn’t have the sort of thread presence to warrant using Roseite on him. So the elims would obviously have an incentive to argue to not save him. But they also wouldn’t want to out themselves by being the only people to not vote to save him. With that in mind, I propose that exactly 1 of the 5 people that voted to save Hoid is elim. If it were 2, they could have removed their votes and killed him to win the game. Not counting myself, that means exactly 1 of (RBM, CD, TUH) is elim. The other two elims are Joe and STINK. So probably not TUH unless the elims just all voted for Hoid D2. RBM voted to save Hoid after he was already saved, which isn’t a good look. So we should save CD.

Or Hoid is elim.

So basically we should exe Joe, STINK, or Hoid today, and any other votes don’t make much sense. I’m honestly pretty confident Joe is elim at this point. From my perspective, e!Hoid had me pocketed and wouldn’t have switched the D3 votes onto me, so anyone who wants to convince me to vote on him needs to explain that to me.

I think, with 4 villagers and 3 eliminators (Not counting Bel who is dead and didn't vote), your analysis is just kind of weird. At least 1 of the people who voted to save Hoid has to be an eliminator. Starting with the idea that Hoid himself is an eliminator, which I still believe, CD was the first to vote to heal Hoid Slayer,  I'm willing to bet the Eliminator team is Hoid Slayer, Royal Bee Mage, and Coder Dragon. RBM has been flighty, switching votes several times this game in weird ways if I remember correctly. 

I wish I could prove that STINK and I have a PM together, but there's not a way to do that to my knowledge.

10 hours ago, CoderDrag0n8 said:

Thank you. I agree with the elim crimson pots theory, (i was actually like, oh dang i would have exed braid if she was still alive) and the Joe theory.

Do you mean Bel? Or are you actually talking about Doc12? 

9 hours ago, Hoid Slayer said:

That leaves us with [CD, Araris, TUH, Bee]. I think all of these are roughly equal in terms of purely technical elim potential - an elim could’ve joined the train early with the intention of securing the win by leaving it later, and only stayed once a fifth vote - Bee - joined. Or Bee could be the elim.

And as for CD: I don’t know how to feel about you, but it seems we have a clear path forward, and I don’t feel nearly confident enough in your evilness to risk everything on it

I like how your analysis of being potentially saved by an Elim points to CD and Bee as the two most likely candidates, but you still vote to save CD. That definitely makes sense for V!Hoid to do. /Sarcasm

9 hours ago, The Unknown Hammerer said:

Why on Earth would e!me heavily suggest an exe on BelOh for today then kill them?

I mostly agree with this. CD Unless a villager feels inclined to claim these mysterious crimson pots that set up the elims for a win.

Jo's analysis seems to be trying to get the village to kill somebody, which is an odd stance to have, even if you're confident in e!Hoid.

I think you're village, but to answer your question, E!you would have done it to ask that exact question today, or because you got outvoted by your teammates at the last minute.

How on Lumar is it an odd stance to want to kill somebody if I think they are an Elim??? I was going to push for an Execution on Hoid today. If Hoid is a villager, we would lose as soon as he dies regardless of if he died from his wound or today's execution. Letting him die from the wound just gives us an extra execution to go after his teammates.

9 hours ago, CoderDrag0n8 said:

I’m bleeding out here… there will be no more coder to explain soon…

. . . Honestly no one tell him. It's funnier this way.

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

1 hour ago, A Jo in the Bush said:

Do you mean Bel? Or are you actually talking about Doc12? 

Doc

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

@CoderDrag0n8, are you aware you can self vote to heal?

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

11 hours ago, The Unknown Hammerer said:

Should this be my next name?

Here me out

The Unknown... SURVIVOR

Did I cook?

11 hours ago, CoderDrag0n8 said:

What proves stink and Joe elim?

12 hours ago, Araris Valerian said:

11 hours ago, The Unknown Hammerer said:

From v!Hoid's perspective, the elims wanted him dead. If they could have switched off to kill him, they would have. That means only one elim could have voted him. There are three elims total, and two people who didn't vote to save him, meaning they have to be elim.

Exactly

Looks like village could actually pull off a crazy comeback

1 hour ago, A Jo in the Bush said:

I think, with 4 villagers and 3 eliminators (Not counting Bel who is dead and didn't vote), your analysis is just kind of weird. At least 1 of the people who voted to save Hoid has to be an eliminator. Starting with the idea that Hoid himself is an eliminator, which I still believe, CD was the first to vote to heal Hoid Slayer,  I'm willing to bet the Eliminator team is Hoid Slayer, Royal Bee Mage, and Coder Dragon. RBM has been flighty, switching votes several times this game in weird ways if I remember correctly. 

Killing Bel was a MAJOR blunder from the elim team

Your logic that I'm elim, from an outside perspective, makes sense - if you were a villager, I'd practically have to be. So this is a tossup. It's down to the rest to decide which one of us is telling the truth.

What I don't fully understand is your conviction on Bee and and Coder - Bee I see what you're talking about, but I don't think Coder is any more particulalry e!leaning than Araris or TUH.

1 hour ago, A Jo in the Bush said:

I like how your analysis of being potentially saved by an Elim points to CD and Bee as the two most likely candidates, but you still vote to save CD. That definitely makes sense for V!Hoid to do. /Sarcasm

11 hours ago, The Unknown Hammerer said:

Uh... it does? If I'm being honest, EVERYBODY reads somewhat elim to me, and I'm not nearly sure enough about Coder to risk everything on him. If we exe an elim today, they get a villager in the NK, we're back to ly/lo. If that cycle continues, the village will eventually win.

But if we let an innocent villager die, even if we exe an elim, we still lose via NK. I'm not willing to take those chances.

Shifter strolled across the deck. His pace was different; it was purposeful. Targeted.

Convicted.

With one hand, he fingered the blade at his side. With the other, he tossed the Eboncy pouch up and down, catching it each time, the dice making a clattering sound every time his hand grabbed them. Beneath his hood, his eyes carried a pale stare, hiding the racing heart within his chest. Finally, he stepped up to the elevated part of the deck, and turned suddenly to address the audience that had formed. He looked over them; his fellow sailors. Even Fort, Salay and Ann were there, lurking in the corners, waiting for what would happen next.

"Emmett!" The call reverberated, and the crowd parted to reveal the other man. Shifter smiled. When he next spoke, his voice softened. "I believe this man to be evil. And yet, if he is to be trusted, he believes the same of myself. It is down to you, each and every one of you, to make this choice." He looked directly at Emmett. "The fates will smile on one of us tonight. The other will doom all those who believe in them. I wish we could share this world." Shifter's chest heaved. Memories ran through his head, unbidden but unable to be withheld. Another stand. Another man. Another death. "But it's time to roll the dice."

[Araris Valerian he/him]

2 hours ago, A Jo in the Bush said:

I think, with 4 villagers and 3 eliminators (Not counting Bel who is dead and didn't vote), your analysis is just kind of weird. At least 1 of the people who voted to save Hoid has to be an eliminator. Starting with the idea that Hoid himself is an eliminator, which I still believe, CD was the first to vote to heal Hoid Slayer,  I'm willing to bet the Eliminator team is Hoid Slayer, Royal Bee Mage, and Coder Dragon. RBM has been flighty, switching votes several times this game in weird ways if I remember correctly. 

Can you explain to me why, after I’ve championed Hoid as my strongest village read, e!Hoid moves to execute me on D3? Because it totally fits with a paranoid villager. That, along with the PM we had, is the starting point for my analysis.

Also, if Hoid is elim, why didn’t the villager that targeted him claim? Why did a villager use a Crimson pot in the first place when it would make us lose our ExLo day turn on a misfire?

I understand that for you to be a villager, Hoid has to be elim. But I think my stance should be pretty obvious. I also think the attack on CD was meant to appeal to me, since I’ve spent most of the game advocating for his death.

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

1 hour ago, A Jo in the Bush said:

@CoderDrag0n8, are you aware you can self vote to heal?

Whoops forgot I didn’t do that
wait I can’t on phone

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

9 minutes ago, CoderDrag0n8 said:

Whoops forgot I didn’t do that
wait I can’t on phone

Just copy paste someone else’s vote

It’s what I did

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

CD