MR74: The Politics of Gods

[Araris Valerian he/him]

1 minute ago, Hoid Slayer said:

I know it's at 7:00, but I think I might be in a different time zone, so for people in the right place, is it at the end of this hour or the next?

Neither. At the time of this post there are just over 2.5 hours left.

 

5 minutes ago, The Unknown Hammerer said:

I mean, not what I said really.

Maybe not what you said word-for-word, but it sounded to me like you would chill until you were forced to do otherwise. Seems like a reasonable person would want to force you to do otherwise sooner rather than later.

I’m opposed to the votes on BBB. While I may not 100% agree with all his votes/posts, his reaction to my prodding seemed genuine and from more of a village perspective. 

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

5 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

This just seems kinda lazy. Although he is normally laid back...

And I don't get his vote on Araris.

There really wasn't much going on then. I have a few thoughts now, foremost being my Araris sus, but I am liking Polly less with how that gained so many votes and dissolved. A couple other things, but I'm out of time. See you right before rollover.

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

7 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

Neither. At the time of this post there are just over 2.5 hours left.

Oh

That's... an unexpected surprise 

6 minutes ago, The Unknown Hammerer said:

There really wasn't much going on then. I have a few thoughts now, foremost being my Araris sus, but I am liking Polly less with how that gained so many votes and dissolved. A couple other things, but I'm out of time. See you right before rollover.

Care to explain the Araris sus part?

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

18 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

...

Whoops

Really don't know how I forgot about Polly, when I was just talking about her 

Right now, I am getting somewhat odd vibes from TUO:

This just seems kinda lazy. Although he is normally laid back...

And I don't get his vote on Araris.

Another thing I don't get is the sudden pile on BigBadBagsWorth:

While I would've liked some more evidence from him, I wouldn't vote him.

For now, my vote rests on TwinStorm as I try to get my info together to make a deeper analysis before rollover. Speaking of rollover: when exactly is it?

I know it's at 7:00, but I think I might be in a different time zone, so for people in the right place, is it at the end of this hour or the next?

Also: Courts? Anyone willing to open up about that?

*me just realizing that someone voted BBB before me*

It is mostly just me trying to pressure him into giving explanation.

If he doesn't by Cycle End, I vote for him. Simple as that.

[Amanuensis he/him]

17 minutes ago, The Unknown Hammerer said:

There really wasn't much going on then. I have a few thoughts now, foremost being my Araris sus, but I am liking Polly less with how that gained so many votes and dissolved. A couple other things, but I'm out of time. See you right before rollover.

Your Polly take is interesting is it normal for V!TUN to force D1 reads like this?

I am at work for another 1:15-1:30, so I think I will be back in time to change my vote. Can I get an updated VC from someone who isn't mobile?

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

Hey guys, remember that analysis I mentioned? It ain’t coming.

I’m sorry; I really thought I’d have time, but I was doing other things and I doubt I’ll have any real time to post from now until rollover.

I too would appreciate an updated VC to make final decisions, and will try to sneak in any more posts I can until rollover

[BigBadBagsworth He/him/his]

54 minutes ago, CoderDrag0n8 said:

If he doesn't by Cycle End, I vote for him. Simple as that.

My explination: Polly literally hadn’t posted, so I thought someone voting her was super sus. Araris and Twin both seemed to me to be trying to start trains without evidence. I now understand that, at least for araris’s vote, this is a strategy called “poking”, stupid accusations no one is supposed to take seriously, but that get reactions that can be used to make reads.

I stand by my Twin vote tho. Poking only makes sense if there’s zero votes on someone; if someone’s already voted them, the reward of a second, less valuable reaction is outweighed by the risk of getting your target exed. Twin didn’t give a reason at all. I believe I would’ve voted him even if @Hoid Slayer hadn’t brought the matter to my attention.

@CoderDrag0n8

[Araris Valerian he/him]

@Amanuensis If the previous VC was correct:

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• KelsierApologist/Zyvoxid: (1) TwinStorm
• IcedOutPenguin/___________: (1) Araris Valerian
• Hoid Slayer/Ekkar Loral: (1) BigBadBagsworth
• Doc12/Evi: (1) ThatOneWorldHopper
• Araris Valerian/Arlun: (1) IcedOutPenguin
• TwinStorm/Matrim: (3) Hoid, Aman, Doc12
• TheUnknownHammerer/D'delaier: (1) xxGaea

Then this should be the new one:

• Doc12/Evi: (1) ThatOneWorldHopper
• Araris Valerian/Arlun: (2) IcedOutPenguin, TUH
• TwinStorm/Matrim: (4) Hoid, Aman, Doc12, BBB
• TheUnknownHammerer/D'delaier: (2) xxGaea, Araris
• BBB: (2) Twinstorm, CD

No guarantees on the accuracy though.

1 minute ago, BigBadBagsworth said:

I stand by my Twin vote tho. Poking only makes sense if there’s zero votes on someone; if someone’s already voted them, the reward of a second, less valuable reaction is outweighed by the risk of getting your target exed.

Why is the risk of getting your target exed a bad thing? Isn't the primary point of voting to kill folks?

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

11 minutes ago, BigBadBagsworth said:

My explination: Polly literally hadn’t posted, so I thought someone voting her was super sus. Araris and Twin both seemed to me to be trying to start trains without evidence. I now understand that, at least for araris’s vote, this is a strategy called “poking”, stupid accusations no one is supposed to take seriously, but that get reactions that can be used to make reads.

I stand by my Twin vote tho. Poking only makes sense if there’s zero votes on someone; if someone’s already voted them, the reward of a second, less valuable reaction is outweighed by the risk of getting your target exed. Twin didn’t give a reason at all. I believe I would’ve voted him even if @Hoid Slayer hadn’t brought the matter to my attention.

@CoderDrag0n8

Iggdraz, you seem fine. With your reasoning, I do believe Twinstorm is the right call.

[BigBadBagsworth He/him/his]

9 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

Why is the risk of getting your target exed a bad thing? Isn't the primary point of voting to kill folks?

Elims want to kill folks. Villagers want to figure out everyone’s roles, then start killing folks, specifically elims. If you’re poking, you’re trying to figure out roles not get people exed. And by your own words, you were poking.

It’s not the exe that matters, it’s the threat of exe, and how the target responds.

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

47 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

@Amanuensis If the previous VC was correct:

Then this should be the new one:

• Doc12/Evi: (1) ThatOneWorldHopper
• Araris Valerian/Arlun: (2) IcedOutPenguin, TUH
• TwinStorm/Matrim: (4) Hoid, Aman, Doc12, BBB
• TheUnknownHammerer/D'delaier: (2) xxGaea, Araris
• BBB: (2) Twinstorm, CD

No guarantees on the accuracy though.

Why is the risk of getting your target exed a bad thing? Isn't the primary point of voting to kill folks?

Thanks for the VC

Call it a gut feeling, but I don’t like the pile on TwinStorm here

All he did was one slip up, and while I didn’t love his justification, it was believable to me

Honestly, I feel like there’s been a lack of real analysis this cycle; the good thing is, NEXT cycle, there will be a LOT to analyze, and hopefully the weekend will make posting regularly a lot easier

For now, I’m willing to back an alternate train on TUH. XxGaea is one of my strongest village reads, alongside Doc, I don’t understand his vote on Araris, and the mood I’m getting from him just doesn’t feel right.

The other option to back is Araris, but again, I don’t understand that train.

Ekkar walked with direction. Despite the chaos of the last day - chaos he had played a shamefully small part in - things were finally coming into action. As the sun fell, the entire Court simmered in anticipation. And in mourning.

Ekkar was on his way to see Elsecaller. He had loved the Returned, worshiped her, and her fate brought a tear to his eye. But he knew he had to hide his emotions, hide his confusion. He had to do as Evinir would.

The Court of the Careful had already decided what to do with their breath. Now, the four of them - CD, Lharir, Iggdraz, and Ekka himself - only approached the inevitable.

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Half an Hour left to get votes in. Remember that your gods will be voting with you, so any Vote Count is suspect!

Here is my Vote count that I think is Accurate.

Araris Valerian (2): The Unknown Hammerer and IcedOut Penguin
BigBadBagsworth (1): Twinstorm
Doc12 (1): ThatOneWorldhopper
IcedOutPenguin (1): Amanuensis
The Unknown Hammerer (3): Araris Valerian, xxGaea, and Hoid Slayer
TwinStorm (3): BigBadBagsworth, CoderDrag0n8 and Doc12

The Elsecallers have about Half an Hour to vote for their Recipient, and the Elims have the same time to kill. No one else needs to worry about PM actions. Remember that if someone votes when there is less than 15 minutes left in the cycle, the cycle will be extended to end in 15 from that vote. This will continue until the cycle has been extended for a maximum of 1 hour.

 

Edited September 5, 2025 by A Jo in the Bush

[Amanuensis he/him]

2 minutes ago, A Jo in the Bush said:

Half an Hour left to get votes in. Remember that your gods will be voting with you, so any Vote Count is suspect!

Here is my Vote count that I think is Accurate.

Araris Valerian (2): The Unknown Hammerer and IcedOut Penguin
BigBadBagsworth (1): Twinstorm
Doc12 (1): ThatOneWorldhopper
IcedOutPenguin (1): Amanuensis
The Unknown Hammerer (3): Araris Valerian, xxGaea, and Hoid Slayer
TwinStorm (3): BigBadBagsworth, CoderDrag0n8 and Doc12

The Elsecallers have about Half an Hour to vote for their Recipient, and the Elims have the same time to kill. No one else needs to worry about PM actions. Remember that if someone votes when there is less than 15 minutes left in the cycle, the cycle will be extended to end in 15 from that vote. This will continue until the cycle has been extended for a maximum of 1 hour.

 

Thank you Joe, I was just in the process of fixing it; whoever did the VC after me was inaccurate and that carried forward through Araris.

Also Penguin, TUN

Edited September 5, 2025 by Amanuensis

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

2 minutes ago, A Jo in the Bush said:

 

Half an Hour left to get votes in. Remember that your gods will be voting with you, so any Vote Count is suspect!

 

Ooooh dang

I forgot about that

Elsecaller’s vote currently rests on TwinStorm with BBB

Just now, Amanuensis said:

Thank you Joe, I was just in the process of fixing it; whoever did the VC after me was inaccurate and they carried forward through Araris.

Also Penguin, TUN

Why?

I agree with you, just want to hear your reasoning

Also, clocking out for the night 

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Just now, Amanuensis said:

Thank you Joe, I was just in the process of fixing it; whoever did the VC after me was inaccurate and they carried forward through Araris.

Also Penguin, TUN

I do my vote counts by starting at the end of the thread and working my way to the beginning. It makes it a lot easier to catch mistakes.

Araris Valerian (2): The Unknown Hammerer and IcedOut Penguin
BigBadBagsworth (1): Twinstorm
Doc12 (1): ThatOneWorldhopper
The Unknown Hammerer (4): Araris Valerian, xxGaea, Amanuensis, and Hoid Slayer
TwinStorm (3): BigBadBagsworth, CoderDrag0n8 and Doc12

[Amanuensis he/him]

1 minute ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Why?

I agree with you, just want to hear your reasoning

Also, clocking out for the night 

Guess I'll tell you tomorrow then

[Araris Valerian he/him]

34 minutes ago, BigBadBagsworth said:

Elims want to kill folks. Villagers want to figure out everyone’s roles, then start killing folks, specifically elims. If you’re poking, you’re trying to figure out roles not get people exed. And by your own words, you were poking.

Nah, villagers want everyone dead also. The village wins if there is only a single villager alive, which means a win-condition for every villager is to eliminate all other players.

We may be quibbling over definitions here. I consider a poke vote to be a vote you place on someone where the implied condition of the vote's removal is a post of any kind. Anything more sticky than that I would say is just a regular vote.

37 minutes ago, BigBadBagsworth said:

It’s not the exe that matters, it’s the threat of exe, and how the target responds.

If the person knows you don't actually want to exe them, then there's no threat of exe. Maybe you realize this, but that's why I'm emphasizing the primary purpose of votes as a killing tool.

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

2 hours ago, Hoid Slayer said:

 

Also: Courts? Anyone willing to open up about that?

I am in Elsecaller. I believe that to be the best Village move, and wish to open up.

 

I haven't RPed enough this cycle

~~~

CD walks through the area. He is a priest. He still can't wrap his head around that. You are such a fruitful liar. Yes, I am. I have been to who knows how many places, and every time! Whether it is to forcefully forget the fact that I am a criminal or to narrow my eyes on a target, I can never truly be myself. Maybe that is your next truth... I just realized you don't have a name. What is it? Lies. My name is Lies. Alright Lies. You are a good spren. Such delicious lies...

[Amanuensis he/him]

I won't specify my Court, but I am in the one with Gaea and Polly, so can confirm KelsierApologist talked in doc when the game first started but hasn't popped up since (only claiming this since Gaea already did).

Edited September 5, 2025 by Amanuensis

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

4 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

I won't specify my Court, but I am in the one with Gaea and Polly, so can confirm KelsierApologist talked in doc when the game first started but hasn't popped up since (only claiming this since Gaea already did).

I am only making my position known for the sole reason that it will really only matter during this cycle, and it is a relatively unexciting Court Breath.

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

End of Cycle 1

No More Votes after this post will be counted. Please give me 15 minutes to get Writeup finished, and then I will send out new PM's and docs and such.

Edited September 5, 2025 by A Jo in the Bush

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

2 hours ago, Amanuensis said:

Your Polly take is interesting is it normal for V!TUN to force D1 reads like this?

I am at work for another 1:15-1:30, so I think I will be back in time to change my vote. Can I get an updated VC from someone who isn't mobile?

Uh, kinda? Not really? I've been trying to do so recently. Character development, you know? Elim me probably doesn't, but I don't expect you to take my word for it.

Twinstorm for self pres. 

Edit: @A Jo in the Bush, doesn't Aman push it back? My vote might still be too late though.

Edited September 5, 2025 by The Unknown Hammerer

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

2 minutes ago, The Unknown Hammerer said:

Edit: @A Jo in the Bush, doesn't Aman push it back? My vote might still be too late though.

I see Aman's vote as having happened 20 minutes pre-rollover. The window is 15 minutes. Does your computer show something different?

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

2 minutes ago, A Jo in the Bush said:

I see Aman's vote as having happened 20 minutes pre-rollover. The window is 15 minutes. Does your computer show something different?

My phone says 18 minutes ago at this exact moment. Mobiles finicky though, that's why I asked.

Edit: It's updated now. 31 minutes. Time to chill in the dead doc.

Edited September 5, 2025 by The Unknown Hammerer

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

So this is the most recent vote before I posted, made at 1839 by my site clock. 21 minutes before the end of Cycle 1.