Quick Fix 76: Judgement on the Shores of the Purelake

[KaladinsSenseOfHumourSpren He/Him]

3 hours ago, IcedOutPenguin said:

Aeternum

Alright, Iced, why so jumpy?

I said I suspected Aeter, but... voting immediately?

3 hours ago, IcedOutPenguin said:

It's Aeternum and/or TwinStorm

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TwinStorm? Care to explain?

Iced, I don't like your logic. Your votes, except CD on C1, all seem quite random.

IcedOutPenguin/Richard

[Askthepizzagal He/him]

Final 9, we guaranteed can misfire today and still be okay, technically.

Something to take into account is the reads of the deceased, particularly those who were murdered.

Seth didnt have a lot of reads but one incorrect one on WorldHopper. I will check again.

WorldHopper himself did also have reads, albeit sorta random guesses.

Doc12 was obvious villager and had reads. Hoid also had reads.

Something else to take into account is we likely have another town PR out there, if I remember the setup notes correctly.

@KelsierApologist your reminder to come and play, read up, and consider everything that has happened.

@Booknewt Can you describe why you chose Hoid over Penguin?

 

[Askthepizzagal He/him]

IcedOutPenguin

I am placing this vote with intent to unvote it, just so you're aware. Why- because I need people to be active and talk to me, and each other, and solve cooperatively and collaboratively and answer questions.

@IcedOutPenguin

This has been your solve, so far:

Askthepizzaguy, which... I know is wrong. If I were elim, I probably don't let myself dangle on day one from your own perspective.

Elaboration on this topic since I'm the only one not flipped and proven innocent to everyone else.

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If you're innocent, I just kill you by vote or otherwise day one. One of the things I look for when I am elim and looking for town powers is, they kinda behave like they have something to hide, same as elims do to some extent, so if I think you're acting guilty/suspicious when I knew you actually weren't, I probably vote you to death or shoot you directly, in the hopes of hitting a town power. Not let myself die over you, ever, ever, ever.

I was d1 saved by Hoid who was innocent AND suspecting me until i let him kill me, basically. Alright? So you see some of the point behind that move.

Can that be a fancy way of getting myself clear, sure I guess? Why risk ever dying on day 1 when I am clearly a player of some experience and influence. In exchange for not killing someone that people find suspicious, meaning you. Who could have been a town power, for all I knew.

Or, voting for someone I said I found suspicious d1 for their random and reckless votes, WorldHopper. I could have voted that and he actually was a town power, and I wasn't part of a conspiracy to make him dead either, since I am not on an elim team with Aeternum, and also, absolutely proven to not be on such a team with TheUnknownOrder or Hoid.

I clearly had options to not die, my friend. I wasn't saved by an elim buddy, either.

I realize you already said I was innocent. I am just saying, I know I am and others figured it out, and from your seat specifically it really should never be me given I could have voted you, worldhopper, and I was totally not saved by an elim.

You can circle back to me today if you say why i am guilty, but if you do, I just have to vote for you here, because I won't believe that is your real solve if you do, just as a totally honest heads up.

 

Hoid, yesterday.

Then, doc12.

Then back to hoid.

All of those guesses were wrong, and I didn't really ever follow why you believed those were correct guesses.

I squinted and best I could even fathom was you believed the game was being run by elim folks.

And were just convinced they were all out to get you.

You continually vote only people I think or know are innocent.

It's not always the case that someone who does this is guilty. But, for me to find you innocent here, I have to understand how you ever get there on those names and conclude they have to be guilty.

So far, your basis for it seems to be, if someone appears innocent in any way, it's fake.

How do you find innocent people or determine who is guilty if that is your method?

Do you normally play this way, as an innocent person, or is it different for this game?

Are you okay with answering one-liner questions like that and looking at worlds where you're wrong about twin and aeternum?

Are you okay with discussing names like Coder, Booknewt, Ksauce, Strider, and so forth?

Correct me if I am wrong but those are big blank spaces on your solve sheet right now, any thoughts?

Also, if you could hard claim being an innocent as opposed to the town role that blocks stuff, it would be helpful.

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Why do i ask? Because there really is sufficient reason here to want to eliminate you by vote, and unless you behave in a manner I understand today and cooperate a little bit, like you were willing to start doing yesterday (thank you) I can actually consider leaving my vote on you and then youre sort of in trouble with the vote pressure anyway, and would need to claim later, or just die anyway.

Essentially, I am asking if there is a reason why you are mechanically innocent and could ever be a murder target for the elim team for that reason because that role can end up blocking someone and stopping a kill, so they sort of have to kill you if that is the case.

And I'm asking right away so that whoever really is that role, if it isnt you, can break a tie on you today if you falsely claim that.

And because if you claim it minutes before end of day, I don't believe the claim at that point.

I'm being calm, patient, and transparent about these topics, I am asking you not to overreact to them if youre innocent, and just work the problem with me.

I am still here willing to look at worlds where you're innocent, but,

1. me

2. hoid

3. doc

4. twin and/or aeternum

Doesn't feel like hits to me.

So if you're innocent AND I am correct about that, or, you're innocent and YOU'RE correct about that, we need to talk.

I can cut down the number of words to make it go more smoothly but that's 2 days of results I don't think are particularly innocent from you, and I'm willing to still look at worlds where you are, just in case-ies.

 

 

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@CoderDrag0n8

4 hours ago, CoderDrag0n8 said:

CD was sure he was insane.

So what you're saying is...

CD's nuts?

Edited August 9, 2025 by Askthepizzaguy
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[Askthepizzagal He/him]

(I checked the timestamps)

At everyone in general:

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If you're on the innocent side of this fight in general, it behooves to think about who Penguin's elim partners are.

How they're positioning themselves to win the fight even when Penguin goes down.

And, in the event he's innocent, who the alternatives have to be.

Why, because time is short and so are our lives. You guess wrong here, you might not see tomorrow, and the fact that you're innocent carries weight for me. If the game is headed to innocent execution one after another and tomorrow is the day you've got to get it right every single time forever and ever after that, you can do it, but you probably stand a better chance of it if you started thinking about that world today instead of several hours or half a day or almost a full day into tomorrow, with a busy schedule, as some of you have.

In the event I see tomorrow alive, I would have turned to you and asked you where we should go.

If you're dead by then, you can't respond. What will you have said, in the event Penguin is guilty, and in the event he is innocent.

Use today to answer that question, as opposed to tomorrow, is my request and advice at the same time.

On my part, I am going to be resting as 2am to 6am is not real sleep. I need to have all my mental faculties available to me for tonight.

I have left questions for you and also, it's not very hard to find how or why I am leaning people innocent or guilty, so basically, I am not looking for rich people advisors. I don't need yes-men and women and they/thems.

When I'm wrong here your best way to be a good teammate to me is to tell me on whom I am guessing wrong and why that guess is wrong, with some evidence why it is wrong.

If you don't think deeply about the game, don't try, skate to tomorrow, and also the result of your votes all game is bad, that is the final point in time where I can afford to be patient, so we either fight hard now together as a team, or likely fade and fall apart at the final stand due to that mistrust.

All optional, of course. Random guess point and click and voting based on gut and not being here all day is entirely valid and I am not criticizing it, I am just explaining why it's hard to trust if it also gives poor results. That's how elims hide their guilt, in my view.

[KaladinsSenseOfHumourSpren He/Him]

55 minutes ago, Askthepizzaguy said:

(I checked the timestamps)

At everyone in general:

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If you're on the innocent side of this fight in general, it behooves to think about who Penguin's elim partners are.

How they're positioning themselves to win the fight even when Penguin goes down.

And, in the event he's innocent, who the alternatives have to be.

Why, because time is short and so are our lives. You guess wrong here, you might not see tomorrow, and the fact that you're innocent carries weight for me. If the game is headed to innocent execution one after another and tomorrow is the day you've got to get it right every single time forever and ever after that, you can do it, but you probably stand a better chance of it if you started thinking about that world today instead of several hours or half a day or almost a full day into tomorrow, with a busy schedule, as some of you have.

In the event I see tomorrow alive, I would have turned to you and asked you where we should go.

If you're dead by then, you can't respond. What will you have said, in the event Penguin is guilty, and in the event he is innocent.

Use today to answer that question, as opposed to tomorrow, is my request and advice at the same time.

On my part, I am going to be resting as 2am to 6am is not real sleep. I need to have all my mental faculties available to me for tonight.

I have left questions for you and also, it's not very hard to find how or why I am leaning people innocent or guilty, so basically, I am not looking for rich people advisors. I don't need yes-men and women and they/thems.

When I'm wrong here your best way to be a good teammate to me is to tell me on whom I am guessing wrong and why that guess is wrong, with some evidence why it is wrong.

If you don't think deeply about the game, don't try, skate to tomorrow, and also the result of your votes all game is bad, that is the final point in time where I can afford to be patient, so we either fight hard now together as a team, or likely fade and fall apart at the final stand due to that mistrust.

All optional, of course. Random guess point and click and voting based on gut and not being here all day is entirely valid and I am not criticizing it, I am just explaining why it's hard to trust if it also gives poor results. That's how elims hide their guilt, in my view.

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Starseeker understood. Do not leave to tomorrow what can be done today. Someone wise had said that, he was sure. Probably Peacegiver himself.

If Richard was guilty, then he did not think it was Aeternum, because of Richard's.

If Richard was innocent, then the C1 votes look like this:

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ThatOneWorldhopper: (3) The Unknown Order, Aeternum, Hoid Slayer

Aeternum: (2) KelsierApologist, Doc12

IcedOutPenguin: (2) KaladinsSenseofHumorSpren, Booknewt

AskthePizzaGuy: (1) IcedOutPenguin 

KaladinsSenseofHumorSpren: (1) ThatOneWorldhopper 

CoderDrag0n8: (1) Twinstorm

Twinstorm: (1) CoderDrag0n8 

No vote: StrikerEZ, AskthePizzaGuy

I'd imagine that the elims would want to spread themselves out, so Aeter looks like a fine candidate, though only a slight lean for me. I also think it might be Polly if it isn't Aeter, as she has been rather quiet.

I also think there's one among Coder, Storm and Striker regardless of how Iced flips, as they've also not been around much I think and have had not much to do with the outcome of C1's votes.

[Askthepizzagal He/him]

Thank you again, Starseeker. Greebas appreciates your counsel and advice.

I think you might find that eternal life you seek. Mayhaps one more true and just than my own.

 

-more-

Those guilty who might seek to terminate Greebas today, need not interact or think too deeply, and may simply mark Greebas down as innocent and ignore him

The path of least resistance. Those who are innocent, don't know with absolute certainty that Greebas is, and have no plans of killing him by either means, actually have to work with Greebas in a manner that is more than perfunctory.

The fact that starseeker isn't just sidestepping Greebas and is still talking to him means something.

Maybe not a lot, but more than several have done.

Edited August 9, 2025 by Askthepizzaguy

[KaladinsSenseOfHumourSpren He/Him]

1 minute ago, Askthepizzaguy said:

Thank you again, Starseeker. Greebas appreciates your counsel and advice.

I think you might find that eternal life you seek. Mayhaps one more true and just than my own.

Starseeker grinned.

"Well, you see, I already have basically eternal life as a Returned, but to stay alive, I need to consume one BioChromatic Breath every week. No one has this planet has Breath, but where I'm from, everyone is born with one. Breaths are most of their souls, however, and so consuming one every week to stay alive isn't exactly the most ethical thing."

No, Starseeker, like many other Returned, did not believe in his own religion.

"That's why I came here; because if I become Radiant, I gain the ability to take in Stormlight and use that instead, which is almost everywhere on this world."

Starseeker pulled out a sphere from his pocket. It was an emerald broam, and glowed brightly with Stormlight. 

"If I was Radiant, I'd be able to breathe it in - like this." Starseeker inhaled sharply and, to his surprise, the sphere went dun, and he began to glow. Starseeker gasped. He was Radiant. Just not a Skybreaker.

An inky-black humanoid figure, about the size of his finger, appeared on his palm. "Radiant, yes, you is. Elsecaller," his inkspren said. "Now, say the Words again. Properly."

"Life... before Death," Starseeker whispered. "Strength before Weakness. Journey... before... DESTINATION!"

Light exploded around Starseeker, but he did not stop. He knew the next Words, without being told.

"I... will... reach my potential... and strive to become a better version of myself!"

 

Starseeker had done it. He was Radiant, and had no need to become a Skybreaker any longer. But he would help find the evildoers anyway, as not doing so would go against his oaths.

[Askthepizzagal He/him]

Greebas nudged someone who wasn't even there.

See that? Maybe there is a good version of what you were trying to do. One that involves less suffering and enslavement of souls and binding of corpses to forbidden blood magic and other such rubbish.

I'm genuinely remorseful. Sometimes trial and error leads to error. All part of the scientific method. Yet perhaps the dead could still be of some use to us.

Don't you start with that nonsense again.

In a different manner than before. Instead of telling them what to do, we could listen to what they say.

 

 

-more-

A voice within Greebas began chanting ancient arcane words of power and the sky began to blacken around Greebas, a dark shroud which began to burn away all living things in a small circle around his body.

Four of the fallen appeared before Greebas in the form of shadow.

"SPEAK, YE DEPARTED. TELL YOUR OVERLORD, NYBBETH MASTER OF DEATH, YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE GUILT OR INNOCENCE OF THOSE GATHERED TODAY."

Oh not this. Greebas doesn't want it, leave them alone, Obdilaurd, you wicked old fool. They don't know any better than we do. What do you want them to do, throw darts? Greebas asked the living what their thoughts were, you leave those innocent people to rest and let them rest.

Edited August 9, 2025 by Askthepizzaguy

[KaladinsSenseOfHumourSpren He/Him]

1 hour ago, Askthepizzaguy said:

suffering and enslavement of souls and binding of corpses to forbidden blood magic

This sounds... awfully similar to Hemalurgy.

Image of a Steel Inquisitor below

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[Askthepizzagal He/him]

As anticipated, The Unknown Order was removed from play too soon to really give helpful reads. But I checked anyway @The Unknown Order, because it's 2 minutes out of my life.

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On 8/7/2025 at 3:39 AM, The Unknown Order said:

I approved these rules.

Not a clue what they are though. I guess I'll have to read them again. 

On 8/7/2025 at 6:01 AM, The Unknown Order said:

The AG is gonna kick your butt 

Mine too tbh. 

For context, the AG (anniversary game) is nearly pure roleplay for the first two cycles, and I'm even worse than normal at forming reads. 

On 8/7/2025 at 6:38 AM, The Unknown Order said:

I've been in quite a few at this point. Never really gets easier. 

On 8/7/2025 at 8:08 PM, The Unknown Order said:

Yes I am! 

Wait. Wrong person. Uh, ignore that.

There's this thing called sleeping. It was too early on earlier, but I have a couple of thoughts now. Don't really have time to formulate them in this post, but I should be able to soon.

I didn't notice any edited votes, but I wasn't looking too hard.

Just a reminder to everyone that we aren't supposed to edit votes in (a lot of older GMs won't count it and rightfully so), and if your posts are going to merge (less than fifteen minutes since you posted), you should make sure to @ the GM (Aeoyori). It's also polite to @ the player you're voting as well.

Also, Pizza/Greebas, I believe some people are having trouble parsing your prose. I'm really enjoying it actually, but Hoid Slayer asked for clarification and you really didn't give any. They aren't necessarily attacking your points, they might just be having trouble understanding the back and forth dialog you're using. I'm enjoying it, so please don't stop, but summaries when you have the time would be helpful. 

On 8/7/2025 at 10:17 PM, The Unknown Order said:

Btw, you can make text green or red with the underlined A at the top of the editor. 

I did it purely because I found it amusing. Also, you might mean before I post, but you're not supposed to delete sections when you edit. Clarifying, fixing, and adding are okay, but deleting is not. 

On 8/7/2025 at 10:27 PM, The Unknown Order said:

ThatOneWorldhopper

On 8/7/2025 at 11:43 PM, The Unknown Order said:

Hello!

I'm voting Worldlrow because of that random vote. It's had a bad a track record lately. 

For the reads I mentioned earlier... I forgot what I was thinking then, but rn I'm liking Pizzaguy. Maybe it's just because he seems similar to me in a lot of ways and I like his roleplay, it's enough for me to not want him exed this round.

Tbh, this is a fairly active game compared to the last few. Hopefully it stays up.

Good job, clicking show new has a 50/50 chance of deleting your post.

 

It should also be noted, essentially, only innocent people ever interacted with him.

Others, who would be the ones responsible for killing him, basically ignored him entirely. He may have been strong player killed and people who were guilty just decided to metagame him out of existence, possibly. So they didn't bother trying to solve him at all, you see.

His only surviving read of his two reads is me, as a mild "like". Which as Aeternum would tell you, means jack and squat about my alignment. If I'm guilty, I kill those. (My actual argument is that I would whack an innocent with my vote instead of letting my fate be decided by a guy who voted me all day who was innocent.)

So essentially, Seth made a correct call and a wrong one and was otherwise very kind and pleasant to be around.

 Next, we had @ThatOneWorldhopper, checking carefully.

ThatOneWorldhopper

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On 8/7/2025 at 5:19 PM, ThatOneWorldhopper said:

uhhhh... walked down the beach with the other initiates. There were lawbreakers among them? It seemed like Skybreaker Uranihran wasn't taking this seriously. 

Traitorous thoughts. 

uhhhh... was worried. He did want to become a Skybreaker. So then why didn't Ur… Skybreaker Uranihran storming do something! 

There was only one answer.

What are you hiding about your past? uhhhh... thought as he stalked along the shore toward the leader.

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I'm a little suspicious of CD, because the hard-sell innocence on D1 seems pretty wolfy, but he's new so I wouldn't read too much into it. 

I just don't trust Penguin in general, but I think he got executed D1 last game, so I won't vote him. 

Starseeker.

 

 

On 8/7/2025 at 10:24 PM, ThatOneWorldhopper said:

Okay, maybe I'm missing something, but  I still don't understand what's going on with your RP, and to be honest, I feel a little suspicious of the refusal to actually vote.

I voted KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren because I'm really bad at poke voting, so I just rolled a D10.

 

On 8/7/2025 at 10:35 PM, ThatOneWorldhopper said:

Now this doesn't make sense. Evil people don't have any reason to vote but to be able to kill more people. 

Anyway, I made that vote at the beginning, when I didn't really have a lot of reads. I actually liked KSOHS's response(s), but that vote would still probably be changed before the end of the cycle.

I always do a random vote D1, at least to start out with, because I was in a game where if you didn't vote, your vote was automatically on yourself. It turned into a habit not to end a cycle without voting. 

Not really any town reads, and also, suspicions for early game behaviors from CD, Penguin, Starseeker, me for the lack of voting.

This person was eliminated by vote and the decision to do so was made last minute, so the guilty team didn't really feel the need to silence this person with their murderous powers. I don't think this person was finding lots of guilty persons, he was sort of ignored.

Still, he might have mentioned one just by random chance. This is also why I'm not super big on the random voting stage (RVS) because there never was any real basis to it, so it's neither persuasive nor helpful even in worlds when it is right. It also generates a lot of town on town voting which guilties can exploit by hopping on later on, if those random votes stay. So it basically gives the wolf team a fourth vote on a townie a lot, just from the start.

That's an in general. I don't think OneWorldHopper really caused any actual problems with their vote on Starseeker, regardless of Seeker's alignment. So don't read any of this as a direct criticism of Hopper, just, these are the downsides to it and why I try to find townies first, then explain why I think my random votes in the remainder are maybe likely hits. That gets us out of random voting stage, it does take time and effort and risk of doing things like town reading a guilty, so its not for everyone. There are always downsides to what you do no matter what you do, in a blind guessing game.

 

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Doc12

Ok next person is the beloved @Doc12. Oh my word, friend. So many positive feelings about you not that I am playing favorites.

You said things like this: (HUGE wall)

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I like Hoidslayer, Twinstorm, and Penguin a little more for trying to stir up discussion and poke votes. Pizzaguy and Polly have been posting a lot of RP, which isn't inherently suspicious, but also not particularly helpful. I don't begrudge them that, yet.

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As I said, bunch of poke votes with little substance. The only thing that really jumps out to me is CD jumping on the Striker vote without a reason other than Hoidslayer's vote, but again, D1. 

Striker and Booknewt have not posted. Aeternum and TheUnknownOrder have popped up a bunch of times in thread but haven't contributed much either beyond a couple of rule clarifications.

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Current Reads, positive to negative.

@Hoid Slayer/Wishikk Makar: Positive just because of how hard they're pushing for information. What are your thoughts now that Pizzaguy has shown they're paying attention and given their thoughts?

Pizzaguy/Greebas - Positive. Honestly can see why people are frustrated. It's a lot of RP, but they have posted their reads list and seem to be paying a lot of attention to thread and note taking. The refusal to vote is not helpful, but we do know where they stand and what they think, so I'm inclined to give them a pass for now. 

Twinstorm: mildly positive. throwing out poke votes, trying to get people to post reads.

KelsierApologist / Mehlarin / Polly: Mildly positive, has been poking and trying to get people like Aeternum to talk.

@The Unknown Order - Hello old friend! You seem pretty awake now that you're posting more and voting. Vote's staying on you for now until you tell me why you voted Worldhopper.  

ThatOneWorldhopper: Nothing right now. They vote on a dice, I've seen it before. Doesn't tell us anything. Claimed distrust of CD and Penguin.

Coder: Is being a little suspicious from jumping on the Striker vote, then voting on Twinstorm. As others have pointed out, seem to be voting for the sake of voting. Which is not inherently suspicious, but still mildly negative leaning. Did you get the reaction you were looking for from Twinstorm?

IcedPenguin: Came out strong voting for CD, then switched to Pizzaguy. Feeling a little suspicious, feels like following the crowd and switching to acceptable target. Did Pizzaguy's post satisfy you enough to change your vote?

Have posted but nothing concrete: Ksauce (1 RP post), Aeternum (2 posts, mostly rule clarifications)

Have not posted: Booknewt, StrikerEZ

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(Askthepizzaguy speaking here: I note that I am town and I shared basically all of doc's towncore above, I can think all 3 guilties are in the bottom 6 names.)

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Don't quite care for how a pile is forming on IcedoutPenguin. Booknewt's poke has solid reasoning, but Ksauce just jumped on. I stand by my assertion that Penguin switching their vote when Hoidslayer and Twinstorm were complaining about Pizzaguy's RP seems a little suspicious, but not enough to condemn him yet. I do want an execution, so I'll put in another vote before the cycle ends. 

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Alright friends shall we spice things up a little? Lot of people saying they think CD is suspicious but letting it slide a little because they're new, but if I'm going to vote for an exe I'm going to vote for what is weird. CoderDrag0n8

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Amazing, a four way tie! Just for that, CoderDrag0n8 Aeternum

I had hoped to stir up more discussion but I evidently left it too late in the cycle. I respect Hoidslayer and Pizzaguy's staying firm on their positions. Aeternum's vote is the most suspicious thing that could happen in light of the tie, a vote for the sake of contributing, so I'm changing my vote (Sorry Aeoryi)

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I'm actually more inclined to forgive Aeternum because TOW was a village and this seemed like they genuinely did not know, but Hoid Slayer changing their vote at the very last minute to protect a player that really had no reason to be more or less innocent than anyone else is suspicious as hell. 

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The Unknown One was the first vote on Worldhopper, and he's dead now. He actually voted pretty early, 6 hours before cycle end. the suspicious part is that, given a 3 way tie between CD, Penguin, and Pizza, 1) Aeternum decided to create a 4 way tie and 2)Hoid Slayer decided that he needed to save Penguin. 

I think the thing with ties is that while it is very possible that the elims saw 3 innocents up for death and decided to do nothing, villagers who have no information are much more likely to go 'might as well see which one dies and go from there' while elims would be much more motivated to save one person from the vote. 

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What I noticed in that last hour is that Pizza seemed ambivalent to whether or not they died, and that Hoidslayer was very motivated to try and save Penguin, not liking when I voted for CD or Aeternum.  

Hoid Slayer, you have explained your reasoning of why you trust Penguin. I guess I am still confused because you said you were suspicious of Pizza still, despite them giving you clear thoughts which was what you asked for in the beginning. 

I am also confused why no one cared to vote for CD. I understand again that this is their first game and people want to show mercy, but to me it was weird how up to 3 people said that they were weird but refused to act on that suspicion. 

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wrt Iced:

Uhh. I have also reread this multiple times and come out confused. You start off with the assumption that that me and CD are evildoers. You then give two scenarios predicated on whether Hoid Slayer is an evildoer.

Your first scenario invalidates your original assumption that CD is evil and substitutes Aeternum as evil. 

You also assume that I was trying to save CD in both scenarios. But I put CD in the tie. You're saying I 'protected' CD by putting him on the table and taking him away?

Lastly, you conclude that even though you begin by assuming me and CD are evil, you're still going to vote for Hoid Slayer instead of either of us. If you are sure of your original assumption why didn't you cut out the middleman and just vote for me? 

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Loooong quote:

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For reference, the parties involved in the tie are Pizzaguy, Penguin, CD, Aeternum, with Worldhopper being a sudden last minute switch. 

One hour before rollover, the vote seemed steady, with Pizzaguy (Hoid Slayer, Penguin) and Penguin (Booknewt, Ksauce) having 2 votes each. I didn't care for either of these options. Pizzaguy, if not village, has at least been poking everyone, challenging assumptions, and giving their reads, which I appreciate enough to want to keep around, and while I stated that Penguin's switch to Pizza was suspicious, it wasn't enough to condemn him. 

So I consciously made it a 3 way tie by voting for CD, who many have expressed suspicion of but not voted for. In hindsight, perhaps overly harsh on a new player, but I don't really take stock in sentiments like "I think this person is acting suspicious but I'm going to take pity on them for a cycle". As stated before,

I decided I was completely fine with either Penguin or CD dying because both have acted suspiciously. Both would give me some information. 

That's when things got really interesting.

1) Hoid Slayer pinged me asking me to show mercy to CD.

2) Aeternum expressed suspicion of CD, but given that he was a new player decided not to tie break but add another player to the tie - Worldhopper. This, to me, was interesting because Worldhopper had not really garnered any suspicion other than Unknown Order voting on Worldhopper for their random votes. And if Aeternum had wanted to spare CD, he could just as easily have voted for Pizza or Penguin. Adding a fourth player to the tie just made it seem like Aeternum was voting for the sake of being seen voting, so I switched my vote to Aeternum. 

3) Hoid Slayer asks Aeternum to convince him of Worldhopper's guilt, asks me to make a vote that actually matters. Aeternum speculates that if Worldhopper is Evil, i would also be because of my vote on them. 

4) An exchange I personally found very funny

Going back to Pizza's first scenario, where all the candidates (Pizza, Penguin, CD, possibly Aeternum) are village, I suppose there's nothing more to read from this than villagers panicking. Aeternum didn't suspect one of Pizza, Penguin, or CD enough to vote on them directly, or supposed he might as well add Worldhopper to the mix and leave it up to chance to see who dies. Hoid Slayer just trusted his read of Penguin enough that he decided to abandon his suspicion of Pizza to at least get someone else killed. It's just interesting that the priority for Hoid Slayer wasn't as much getting someone he suspected killed as much as to save one specific player he trusted. It's also interesting that this trust isn't returned as they've been arguing this cycle. 

In the second scenario, where at least one of the candidates (Pizza, Penguin, CD) were evil, the sudden additional 2 votes on another candidate makes sense. Worldhopper already had one vote from before. Aeternum (who still might be village - him saying that if Worldhopper flips Elim then I would be Elim feels genuine to me) puts Worldhopper on the table, and even though Hoid Slayer explicitly says he doesn't like Aeternum's reasoning decides to vote for Worldhopper anyway purely to save Penguin. In this scenario, Hoid Slayer and Penguin are evil together. Alternatively, there's a scenario where Penguin is innocent and Hoid Slayer evil, but Hoid Slayer wanted to save someone else in the pool, knew it would be suspicious, and named a villager as the person he was trying to save in a gambit. Who knows? 

Greeblas, how's my reasoning? 

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It's a little concerning that no one else has really voted this cycle. And while I stand by my vote I don't know what I think about Penguin and Coder's reasonings for joining said vote.

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It's been a quiet cycle. I'm worried that there's not been much defense of Hoid Slayer by anyone. It feels like last game, where Aeoryi, a villager, soothed her own vote on a tie situation, and then for the next cycle everyone focused on the wrong person while the elims sat back.

Honestly, I tried to parse what IcedoutPenguin was saying in their post and came out confused - as I said, they started out with one assumption, invalidated said assumption in one of their scnearios, and then ended up voting for a third party not related to any of their original assumed suspects. That confuses me. And it confuses me that Ksauce, CD, and Twinstorm apparently do understand the reasoning. I honestly don't feel good voting for Hoid Slayer in this situation. 

Recapping my current reads for clarity and reflection

Current Reads, positive to negative.

Also, Greeblas, Javert respects that you assume everyone starts out innocent until proven otherwise. But as a former lawman, Javert assumes guilt first and makes people prove their innocence or helpfulness. 

Pizzaguy/Greebas - Strongest town read so far. If they're elim, they're really shooting their team in the foot by trying to encourage discussion. Who are you voting for this cycle? 

Aeternum: Been a lot more active this cycle. I might be stupid for this but I'm honestly leaning him village for now. His post about me being elim if Worldhopper was elim. His helpfulness this cycle. Who are you voting for this cycle?

Twinstorm Pretty active last cycle poking people. Posted once this cycle being skeptical of IcedPenguin's post. Net neutral. EDIT: Voted for CD which makes him more interesting

Mehlarin: Seemed pro-discussion cycle 1. Has not posted this cycle. We miss you!

CoderDrag0n8: Seemed to be voting for the sake of voting. They're new. I get that. But I'd vote for them again just to see what happens. 

Hoid Slayer/Wishikk Makar: We all agree that that last minute jump was extremely weird. I'm still inclined to keep voting on you just to see how you flip, but as I said, I'm uneasy. Confused villager or panicked elim?

IcedoutPenguin: Confusion. I was suspicious early last cycle, but right now they just seem to be extremely confused. They were also surprised at the 2 kills, which could be an act, but genuinely seemed to not understand the rules. I am honestly leaning Village, just confused and lashing out. 

Ksauce: Couple of posts. last post was saying Iced's post made some sense but still refraining from a solid conclusion. Honestly leaning negative until they convince me otherwise. Can we get a vote from you?

Booknewt New, a couple of posts. Made a post with reads on players, mostly reading everyone neutral. 50/50 shot here. Do you think you could update your reads list based on happenings this cycle?  

Striker, you coming? I'm honestly not concerned about Striker right now. As Aeternum says, there's an inactivity filter, and I think shooting someone who isn't contributing hurts us more if they're village as it just doesn't give us any new information. They have up to the end of this cycle to post before they get replaced. 

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Hoid Slayer CoderDrag0n8 Let's debate this people! 

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The thing that worries me the most is the absolute lack of defense that CD or Hoid Slayer are receiving. And maybe that's just the lack of people talking, but it shouldn't be this simple, right? 

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Thank you to people who are defending me? I don't really see how I can defend myself against IcedoutPenguin. I'm just letting my actions speak for themselves. Interesting to see the vote shifts. Aeternum followed me on to CD. Striker wanted to lock down Hoid Slayer. Iced moved to me. We're now in a tie situation again. I'm very willing to break the tie I am just genuinely confused now. 

Seems like the consensus on CoderDrag0n8 is he's too suspicious to be suspicious/he's just new. That seems to be as much discussion as I can get from voting on them. 

IcedoutPenguin... I mean I don't understand where you're coming from, but right now I'm viewing you as harmless and confused. 

Hoid Slayer, again it seems too easy. But yeah. Let's see how this plays out. 

I spent the past hour combing through this carefully to make sure I am representing you correctly.

In summary:

Positive on twinstorm and penguin at first.
Suspicious of CD
Noting that Striker and Booknewt arent contributing.
Some mild suspicion on penguin

Did not like the votes for Penguin. Noted Ksauce jump on there.
Little suspicious of penguin still.

Voted CD
Voted Aeternum for creating more wagons.

Backed off Aeternum the next day.
"I think the thing with ties is that while it is very possible that the elims saw 3 innocents up for death and decided to do nothing"
Sussed Hoid for the save on Iced.
Wants to know why CD isnt getting votes.

Can't decipher IcedPenguin's vote reasoning d2.

Works out why the wagons could have formed the way they did d1 with possibilities of penguin innocent and aeternum innocent, and when theyre guilty. i think with hoid flipping villager, that would be reassessed.

Pointed out Penguin and coder's reasoning for voting isnt good.
Notes how no one is defending Hoid, as a bad sign.
"That confuses me. And it confuses me that Ksauce, CD, and Twinstorm apparently do understand the reasoning. I honestly don't feel good voting for Hoid Slayer in this situation."

Puts me as town, followed by, in order, Aeternum, Twinstorm, Mehlarin, Coder (listed both as possibly town, and being voted), and Hoid.
Puts iced, Ksauce, booknewt, Striker, and Coder as persons he is willing to vote.

Notes lack of defense on CD and Hoid both.

Ends up thinking Iced might be just very very confused and innocent, as a lean, dislikes the hoid suspicion.

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Also of interest to me is how people were reacting to Doc12 on the day he was murdered.
 

Booknewt had no lean on Doc12 start of day 2, which I don't understand.

On 8/8/2025 at 5:24 AM, IcedOutPenguin said:

What's everyone's reads on @Doc12?

This was followed with suspicion on Doc12 at least.

Twin had Doc as town.

Iced sheeped this reasoning from Doc and then voted Doc:

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The fact that CD and Hoid Slayer aren't defending themselves makes me think it's not them

Twin reacted thusly

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I don't see much suspicion of Doc being elim

Aeternum reacted

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Can you walk me through your reasoning again?

This is not authoritative or exhaustive, I just think wolves planning out their murders will either have doc12 as a town read, or theyre going to have doc12 as someone they don't discuss at all, same as The Unknown Order the previous day.

This is a large analysis, so I don't want to include Hoid in it, but I will look over Hoid as well when I get a minute.

[Askthepizzagal He/him]

IcedoutPenguin

I believe this is how I am supposed to unvote.

[Askthepizzagal He/him]

17 hours ago, IcedOutPenguin said:

He didn't do much in cycle one, other than provide a few thoughts and vote counts

I think he's trying to exe either Hoid Slayer or CD, neither of which are likely elims.

I think Twinstorm is another Elim. I don't know who the other would be, Booknewt, maybe? 

The reason I think he's an Elim in the first place is by process of Elimination, it's not me, Pizza, CD, or Hoid Slayer, and probobly not Ksause or KelsierApologist. That leaves Aeter, Doc, Striker, TwinStorm, and Booknewt.

I don't think its Aeternum due to how Aeter is basically in full blown resisting the urge to plop down the fist of death mode.

I've seen Aeternum aka Cryowinter resist and resist and resist the urge to just punish people for being wrong or have worlds that dont make tons of sense, and he asks questions and really is patient and tackles that whole situation slowly.

Other situations where he is a guilty / wolf / elim, he does not react like this. He either doesnt care to make reads, pushes townies on basically nothing, or throws his partners under the bus.

This behavior from him comes from him being innocent and not trying to cause a chain of miseliminations resulting from innocents voting each other.

I distinctly can cite Thanksgiving Mafia where he was restraining himself for rounds and rounds and rounds of play due to the innocents going not only ultra paranoid, mutually violent, but also rude and nasty to each other, and his reaction was to try to calmly put a stop to it, and not vote people to punish them for it until it got to be too much.

That brainwave, right there, I have seen it. That comes from innocent Aeternum who is trying to stop village from eating itself.

Doc12 was not a hit.

Of the remaining 3 names in your pile-o-suspects, @IcedOutPenguin would you be willing to vote for Booknewt, or Twinstorm, or Striker?

 

Is there any reason you have to vote any of those names?

Can you tell me in particular how you feel about Booknewt, who I can't find anyone but me or the dead even discussing?

[TwinStorm He/Him]

Looking at D1's votes, I'm really not liking Aet's chances.

Spoiler

ThatOneWorldhopper: (3) The Unknown Order, Aeternum, Hoid Slayer

Aeternum: (2) KelsierApologist, Doc12

IcedOutPenguin: (2) KaladinsSenseofHumorSpren, Booknewt

AskthePizzaGuy: (1) IcedOutPenguin 

KaladinsSenseofHumorSpren: (1) ThatOneWorldhopper 

CoderDrag0n8: (1) Twinstorm

Twinstorm: (1) CoderDrag0n8 

No vote: StrikerEZ, AskthePizzaGuy

Still, purely speculative, but tbh, at this point every bit counts. Reads rn.

@Askthepizzaguy: v/leaning, haven't seen any active too e/indicative, but again, I cannot rule that out.

@KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren: He seems pretty neutral to me, which at this point is an e!lean, given the crisis, but his reads haven't been too wild thus far, so maybe he'll be bumped up to town after I go back through.

@IcedOutPenguin: Oh boy. I am wanting and willing to believe that you are innocent, but your reads have been wild. Accusing Doc12 to be elim came out of nowhere, with all the evidence to the contrary, and I am continuing to ask for your reasoning as to why I'm an elim, which I would like to have before voting on you. Strong e/lean rn.

@CoderDrag0n8: Coder is . . . another interesting one. At this point, he seems TWTBW still, and I do believe he should be voted out eventually, just in case, but not rn. Please, buddy, can you prove yourself innocent? The village need that info.

@StrikerEZ: You seem to have disappeared for a bit, but I didn't dislike your reads, so fairly neutral town read. 

@KelsierApologist: Pls come back, if you're village we need you, and you don't seem too e!leaning rn.

@Booknewt: Fairly neutral rn, willing to believe you're town for a bit, though some explanation on why you chose Hoid Slayer is necessary, before I can make a decision.

@Aeternum: At this point, I'm kind of scared for you chances as village. D1 votes don't hold against you, and an elim team generally contains one veteran, leaving <Striker, Pizzaguy (technically), and you.> All of Pizzaguy's reads and lots have seemed fairly town standard, and Striker is too gone too do anything abt it. At this point, I'm gonna have to vote Aet, tho I want you to defend yourself, since I definitely missed something in my reasoning.

 

[Askthepizzagal He/him]

Any chance I can get you to mark down Aeternum as town, there, Kaladfin?

Meaning, how open are you to being persuaded. What are my chances?

[TwinStorm He/Him]

4 minutes ago, Askthepizzaguy said:

Any chance I can get you to mark down Aeternum as town, there, Kaladfin?

Meaning, how open are you to being persuaded. What are my chances?

Pretty good, I just think there's likely an elim between him and Striker, and I need evidence its not him.

Also, why do you trust him so much? Bias? This is an important question.

Edited August 9, 2025 by TwinStorm
question

[Askthepizzagal He/him]

1 minute ago, TwinStorm said:

Pretty good, I just think there's likely an elim between him and Striker, and I need evidence its not him.

Also, why do you trust him so much? Bias? This is an important question.

During 2024, I spent about 12 to 18 hours playing mafia with him in almost every game I played for about 6 straight months.

If he is guilty, I might not be able to spot it immediately. But, if he is town, I will find out why because he will eventually slip his alignment in a manner I dont think wolf him thinks to fake.

In other words, his town game is on a level where he can resemble it, but there are posts he makes as town which put most of his town games out of contention for him being a suspect.

I have correctly left him alone in most of the games I've played and eventually found the evidence that explains why.

His wolf game is more like.... okay, maybe this is town him? But literally never certain of it, and suspicious of him.

Thats the experience I have with my old friend.

What I would request, specifically, is that he gets a pass for today due to the above reasoning, how he is interacting with Penguin, doesnt come from guilty him.

That restraint is not a thing for wolf him. And its something deep, deep in his personality. 

It is a combination of he is not confident on his suspects and the more obviously wrong it is to him, the more it makes him concerned because a, it shouldnt be that easy and b, he doesnt trust himself.

But its more than that, a layer on top of that is, when people are coming at him or others in a way that is like, wild and off the charts nuts, he wants to be patient and ask questions, not just kill it.

Its so core to his personality that I would rate him as never an elim here. On pain of you can blame me for it in postgame if thats wrong, or nuke me the instant he flips elim.

It only just happened, because of how I realized how he was reacting to Penguin, and it took me a while to process it in my head, but I swear to all the gods, I am innocent and I firmly believe he is.

[TwinStorm He/Him]

1 minute ago, Askthepizzaguy said:

During 2024, I spent about 12 to 18 hours playing mafia with him in almost every game I played for about 6 straight months.

If he is guilty, I might not be able to spot it immediately. But, if he is town, I will find out why because he will eventually slip his alignment in a manner I dont think wolf him thinks to fake.

In other words, his town game is on a level where he can resemble it, but there are posts he makes as town which put most of his town games out of contention for him being a suspect.

I have correctly left him alone in most of the games I've played and eventually found the evidence that explains why.

His wolf game is more like.... okay, maybe this is town him? But literally never certain of it, and suspicious of him.

Thats the experience I have with my old friend.

What I would request, specifically, is that he gets a pass for today due to the above reasoning, how he is interacting with Penguin, doesnt come from guilty him.

That restraint is not a thing for wolf him. And its something deep, deep in his personality. 

It is a combination of he is not confident on his suspects and the more obviously wrong it is to him, the more it makes him concerned because a, it shouldnt be that easy and b, he doesnt trust himself.

But its more than that, a layer on top of that is, when people are coming at him or others in a way that is like, wild and off the charts nuts, he wants to be patient and ask questions, not just kill it.

Its so core to his personality that I would rate him as never an elim here. On pain of you can blame me for it in postgame if thats wrong, or nuke me the instant he flips elim.

It only just happened, because of how I realized how he was reacting to Penguin, and it took me a while to process it in my head, but I swear to all the gods, I am innocent and I firmly believe he is.

Okay, that makes sense, but at this point, who are the three elims then? No answer makes sense. Booknewt, Striker, and Penguin is my only other idea, and that doesn't completely feel right.

[Askthepizzagal He/him]

1 minute ago, TwinStorm said:

Okay, that makes sense, but at this point, who are the three elims then? No answer makes sense. Booknewt, Striker, and Penguin is my only other idea, and that doesn't completely feel right.

This is a quick snippet of my brain space, but.

Penguin can be elim, or he can be town. If he is elim, I think he can be elim with Booknewt.

And if he's innocent, it should be booknewt anyway.

They can be partnered, and if theyre not, I have even more trouble finding reasons why booknewt is town.

[TwinStorm He/Him]

Kaladfin pounded across the lake, feeling water sloshing up his pants and light streaming from him. It felt good, to run. Finding the evildoers had been harder than expected. He had too many questions, and no answers.

They hide among us. They lie. Like you.

"There is a difference between us, Fractal." Kaladfin whispered, his words releasing a puff of Stormlight.

Is there?

"I swore oaths, Fractal. Oaths and Truths. Life before Death. I'm afraid. Real and true."

Mmm . . . indeed. Then find them. Be the Skybreaker.

"I am." Kaladfin whispered again. These last days . . . surrounded by death, he had grown calluses. He was not weak anymore. He would not fail again.

7 minutes ago, Askthepizzaguy said:

This is a quick snippet of my brain space, but.

Penguin can be elim, or he can be town. If he is elim, I think he can be elim with Booknewt.

And if he's innocent, it should be booknewt anyway.

They can be partnered, and if theyre not, I have even more trouble finding reasons why booknewt is town.

I haven't looked into Booknewt all that much, which I'll do when I have time, but nothing appears e!indicative to me. Explain pls?

Also, who's the third do you think? You're going to have to pour your brain space today on me or Aet, since the elims will likely target you tonight, so best do it sooner than later.

Edited to Add:

Huh, didn't realize until killing Hoid was so e!indicative. Looking back on the circumstances, I'm inclined to agree with you, but is there anything else?

Edited August 9, 2025 by TwinStorm

[Askthepizzagal He/him]

Booknewt

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, TwinStorm said:

I haven't looked into Booknewt all that much, which I'll do when I have time, but nothing appears e!indicative to me. Explain pls?

Three factors-

Of the folks that went awol this game, and there were enough of them that I think one is guilty

Striker/Var was suggested as someone guilty by others early on day 1 as a random vote, whereas, no one has ever suggested Booknewt can be guilty besides me, despite how little theyve done and how absent theyve been.

They do not actually sit and discuss with people, they feign activity a little bit when theyre here, they arent trying to solve a mystery, theyre not inquisitive, theyre not making waves, most of their reads are listed as neutral and the remainder hedge, which is the same as being neutral, and the very few reads they made outside of that, were suspicions on townies or town reads of mine.

They do not appear concerned with solving this game, not really. They appear concerned about getting to the next day and the next day and letting everything else resolve itself.

That reads as someone who wins at night, although this is nightless, its the same deal.

Someone who doesnt feel the need to solve people during day wins the game by murdering people. 

I do not trust the fact that no one is discussing or pushing them when they absolutely should have been, and even the folks I think can be suspect, aren't interested, not really.

But even if I ignore the external factors, the internals are that their posts and reads do not read villagery at all to me.

 

 

Edited August 9, 2025 by Askthepizzaguy
the vote came first, this is elaboration.

[TwinStorm He/Him]

13 minutes ago, Askthepizzaguy said:

Booknewt

 

 

 

Three factors-

Of the folks that went awol this game, and there were enough of them that I think one is guilty

Striker/Var was suggested as someone guilty by others early on day 1 as a random vote, whereas, no one has ever suggested Booknewt can be guilty besides me, despite how little theyve done and how absent theyve been.

They do not actually sit and discuss with people, they feign activity a little bit when theyre here, they arent trying to solve a mystery, theyre not inquisitive, theyre not making waves, most of their reads are listed as neutral and the remainder hedge, which is the same as being neutral, and the very few reads they made outside of that, were suspicions on townies or town reads of mine.

They do not appear concerned with solving this game, not really. They appear concerned about getting to the next day and the next day and letting everything else resolve itself.

That reads as someone who wins at night, although this is nightless, its the same deal.

Someone who doesnt feel the need to solve people during day wins the game by murdering people. 

I do not trust the fact that no one is discussing or pushing them when they absolutely should have been, and even the folks I think can be suspect, aren't interested, not really.

But even if I ignore the external factors, the internals are that their posts and reads do not read villagery at all to me.

 

 

Alright, this makes a ton of sense. For rn tho, I'm going to ask @Booknewt to defend herself, and vote IcedOutPenguin who at this point, after refusing to say why he voted for me, and little explanatin against Doc, I'm fairly sure is elim.

[StrikerEZ he/him]

Okay, anyone got a VC? I could be persuaded to switch my vote to Book. Also, wouldn’t it be wild if Pizza and Twin were elims together? And they’ve just been having fun pretending to be town solvers in thread?

Iced is almost certainly elim, but I’m also wondering if he’s just an extremely off-base villager. Kind of want to townread him because he was way quieter when we played elim together a few games back. 

I could also be persuaded to vote Aet, solely because of vote analysis from D1. 

[Askthepizzagal He/him]

Ordinarily, I would take the same track with Book that I did with everyone else I have had issue resolving.

The issue is, she has been given 2 and a half day phases to shine if innocent. A wide latitude of freedom, and, me being very careful and delicate with her.

What I have seen from her using that latitude is that she will appear briefly each day and not take the initiative to solve anyone.

If asking her what her reads were, would make a difference, I think that when she listed the players in the game on day 2 and it read as a very padded list due to how the reads essentially didnt say anything, plus a gigantic pile of neutrals unsorted, and no thoughts at all on doc?

That doesnt read as a real solve to me. It reads to me as, Booknewt has elim partners and doesnt want to discuss them or push them to death, and hiding them in a big cluster of other unsorted names is how she chose to deal with having elim partners.

It is the tell I use known as clustering.

I also think she doesnt really actually have a process for solving any person in this game that she has given a read on.

Until I see it, no villagery process means she is elim a lot.

Other tells she hit included taking two positions, caveats, buts, hedging. 

Not trying to persuade others of reads

No struggle, meaning, she arrived having fully read the game, a thing I noted earlier. Not just the fact that she wasnt being voted or suggested for a vote.

She arrived fully read up, and then proceeded to dip out after not engaging with people, not really.

This happened both days.

I do not see her solving today, that's three strikes for me a lot.

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

8 hours ago, Askthepizzaguy said:

IcedOutPenguin

I am placing this vote with intent to unvote it, just so you're aware. Why- because I need people to be active and talk to me, and each other, and solve cooperatively and collaboratively and answer questions.

@IcedOutPenguin

This has been your solve, so far:

Askthepizzaguy, which... I know is wrong. If I were elim, I probably don't let myself dangle on day one from your own perspective.

Elaboration on this topic since I'm the only one not flipped and proven innocent to everyone else.

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If you're innocent, I just kill you by vote or otherwise day one. One of the things I look for when I am elim and looking for town powers is, they kinda behave like they have something to hide, same as elims do to some extent, so if I think you're acting guilty/suspicious when I knew you actually weren't, I probably vote you to death or shoot you directly, in the hopes of hitting a town power. Not let myself die over you, ever, ever, ever.

I was d1 saved by Hoid who was innocent AND suspecting me until i let him kill me, basically. Alright? So you see some of the point behind that move.

Can that be a fancy way of getting myself clear, sure I guess? Why risk ever dying on day 1 when I am clearly a player of some experience and influence. In exchange for not killing someone that people find suspicious, meaning you. Who could have been a town power, for all I knew.

Or, voting for someone I said I found suspicious d1 for their random and reckless votes, WorldHopper. I could have voted that and he actually was a town power, and I wasn't part of a conspiracy to make him dead either, since I am not on an elim team with Aeternum, and also, absolutely proven to not be on such a team with TheUnknownOrder or Hoid.

I clearly had options to not die, my friend. I wasn't saved by an elim buddy, either.

I realize you already said I was innocent. I am just saying, I know I am and others figured it out, and from your seat specifically it really should never be me given I could have voted you, worldhopper, and I was totally not saved by an elim.

You can circle back to me today if you say why i am guilty, but if you do, I just have to vote for you here, because I won't believe that is your real solve if you do, just as a totally honest heads up.

 

Hoid, yesterday.

Then, doc12.

Then back to hoid.

All of those guesses were wrong, and I didn't really ever follow why you believed those were correct guesses.

I squinted and best I could even fathom was you believed the game was being run by elim folks.

And were just convinced they were all out to get you.

You continually vote only people I think or know are innocent.

It's not always the case that someone who does this is guilty. But, for me to find you innocent here, I have to understand how you ever get there on those names and conclude they have to be guilty.

So far, your basis for it seems to be, if someone appears innocent in any way, it's fake.

How do you find innocent people or determine who is guilty if that is your method?

Do you normally play this way, as an innocent person, or is it different for this game?

Are you okay with answering one-liner questions like that and looking at worlds where you're wrong about twin and aeternum?

Are you okay with discussing names like Coder, Booknewt, Ksauce, Strider, and so forth?

Correct me if I am wrong but those are big blank spaces on your solve sheet right now, any thoughts?

Also, if you could hard claim being an innocent as opposed to the town role that blocks stuff, it would be helpful.

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Why do i ask? Because there really is sufficient reason here to want to eliminate you by vote, and unless you behave in a manner I understand today and cooperate a little bit, like you were willing to start doing yesterday (thank you) I can actually consider leaving my vote on you and then youre sort of in trouble with the vote pressure anyway, and would need to claim later, or just die anyway.

Essentially, I am asking if there is a reason why you are mechanically innocent and could ever be a murder target for the elim team for that reason because that role can end up blocking someone and stopping a kill, so they sort of have to kill you if that is the case.

And I'm asking right away so that whoever really is that role, if it isnt you, can break a tie on you today if you falsely claim that.

And because if you claim it minutes before end of day, I don't believe the claim at that point.

I'm being calm, patient, and transparent about these topics, I am asking you not to overreact to them if youre innocent, and just work the problem with me.

I am still here willing to look at worlds where you're innocent, but,

1. me

2. hoid

3. doc

4. twin and/or aeternum

Doesn't feel like hits to me.

So if you're innocent AND I am correct about that, or, you're innocent and YOU'RE correct about that, we need to talk.

I can cut down the number of words to make it go more smoothly but that's 2 days of results I don't think are particularly innocent from you, and I'm willing to still look at worlds where you are, just in case-ies.

 

 

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@CoderDrag0n8

So what you're saying is...

CD's nuts?

pleas no

51 minutes ago, TwinStorm said:

Looking at D1's votes, I'm really not liking Aet's chances.

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ThatOneWorldhopper: (3) The Unknown Order, Aeternum, Hoid Slayer

Aeternum: (2) KelsierApologist, Doc12

IcedOutPenguin: (2) KaladinsSenseofHumorSpren, Booknewt

AskthePizzaGuy: (1) IcedOutPenguin 

KaladinsSenseofHumorSpren: (1) ThatOneWorldhopper 

CoderDrag0n8: (1) Twinstorm

Twinstorm: (1) CoderDrag0n8 

No vote: StrikerEZ, AskthePizzaGuy

Still, purely speculative, but tbh, at this point every bit counts. Reads rn.

@Askthepizzaguy: v/leaning, haven't seen any active too e/indicative, but again, I cannot rule that out.

@KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren: He seems pretty neutral to me, which at this point is an e!lean, given the crisis, but his reads haven't been too wild thus far, so maybe he'll be bumped up to town after I go back through.

@IcedOutPenguin: Oh boy. I am wanting and willing to believe that you are innocent, but your reads have been wild. Accusing Doc12 to be elim came out of nowhere, with all the evidence to the contrary, and I am continuing to ask for your reasoning as to why I'm an elim, which I would like to have before voting on you. Strong e/lean rn.

@CoderDrag0n8: Coder is . . . another interesting one. At this point, he seems TWTBW still, and I do believe he should be voted out eventually, just in case, but not rn. Please, buddy, can you prove yourself innocent? The village need that info.

@StrikerEZ: You seem to have disappeared for a bit, but I didn't dislike your reads, so fairly neutral town read. 

@KelsierApologist: Pls come back, if you're village we need you, and you don't seem too e!leaning rn.

@Booknewt: Fairly neutral rn, willing to believe you're town for a bit, though some explanation on why you chose Hoid Slayer is necessary, before I can make a decision.

@Aeternum: At this point, I'm kind of scared for you chances as village. D1 votes don't hold against you, and an elim team generally contains one veteran, leaving <Striker, Pizzaguy (technically), and you.> All of Pizzaguy's reads and lots have seemed fairly town standard, and Striker is too gone too do anything abt it. At this point, I'm gonna have to vote Aet, tho I want you to defend yourself, since I definitely missed something in my reasoning.

 

 

I'm not entirely sure how I would go about doing that.

[Askthepizzagal He/him]

2 minutes ago, CoderDrag0n8 said:

I'm not entirely sure how I would go about doing that.

@CoderDrag0n8

Would you be willing to vote with me today? Do you have me as a town read?