Getting Stormlight off Roshar/F-Nicrosil/The Lost Metal Skybreakers

[TacoBellChoutaMeal]

Hey, if F-Nicrosil stores Investiture, hypothetically could a Radiant Soulbearer on Roshar breathe in Stormlight and then store it in a Nicrosilmind and then transport it through Shadesmar? Is that how it works? Or is Nicrosil just the ability to use investiture, not investiture itself? I feel like having an unkeyed nicrosilmind would solve Kel’s problem of trying to get Stormlight off and not being able to. Is this possible but was the whole agreement between honor and odium trapping everybody in the rosharan system interfering with everything? If it wasn’t, this would make sense about how the skybreakers on scadrial at the end of TLM were surgebinding

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[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

6 minutes ago, TacoBellChoutaMeal said:

Hey, if F-Nicrosil stores Investiture, hypothetically could a Radiant Soulbearer on Roshar breathe in Stormlight and then store it in a Nicrosilmind and then transport it through Shadesmar? Is that how it works? Or is Nicrosil just the ability to use investiture, not investiture itself? I feel like having an unkeyed nicrosilmind would solve Kel’s problem of trying to get Stormlight off and not being able to. Is this possible but was the whole agreement between honor and odium trapping everybody in the rosharan system interfering with everything? If it wasn’t, this would make sense about how the skybreakers on scadrial at the end of TLM were surgebinding

im at the bar with my boy rn say what’s up

no one really knows exactly how Nicrosil works. Its very confusing. Ghostbloods will elaborate on it.

7 minutes ago, TacoBellChoutaMeal said:

skybreakers on scadrial at the end of TLM were surgebinding

WHAT

that didn't happen

did it?

[JustQuestin2004 he/him]

6 minutes ago, CoderDrag0n8 said:

WHAT

that didn't happen

did it?

It's a common assumption, during Steris's evacuation of the Elendel ports, several people come to her and the mayor to offer aid in sinking some ships to help blunt the incoming tsunami. They ask about laws and fly, though they are assumed to be Coinshots. They may or may not be members of the Ghostbloods, but I highly doubt that they are Skybreakers for one very good reason. They are thought to be Skybreakers due to asking about the law, flying and helping sink several ships, which would fit the Skybreakers (Lawfulness, Gravitation and Division)

They don't glow when flying, a real Skybreaker would glow when using their powers, but those guys didn't.

[TacoBellChoutaMeal]

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19 minutes ago, CoderDrag0n8 said:

no one really knows exactly how Nicrosil works. Its very confusing. Ghostbloods will elaborate on it.

 

I want my answers and I want them NOOOWWWWW

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34 minutes ago, TacoBellChoutaMeal said:

Hey, if F-Nicrosil stores Investiture, hypothetically could a Radiant Soulbearer on Roshar breathe in Stormlight and then store it in a Nicrosilmind and then transport it through Shadesmar? Is that how it works? Or is Nicrosil just the ability to use investiture, not investiture itself? I feel like having an unkeyed nicrosilmind would solve Kel’s problem of trying to get Stormlight off and not being able to. Is this possible but was the whole agreement between honor and odium trapping everybody in the rosharan system interfering with everything? If it wasn’t, this would make sense about how the skybreakers on scadrial at the end of TLM were surgebinding

im at the bar with my boy rn say what’s up

I think that would work, it all depends on how, like coder said, F-Nicrosil works.

It's a lot more likely that using an aluminum fabric to unkey the light to move it off-world would work significantly better.

Isles of the Emberdark spoiler:

Spoiler

We know that they are eventually able to get light off-world because in the first few chapters of Starlings POV their cargo is unkeyed light.

19 minutes ago, JustQuestin2004 said:

They don't glow when flying, a real Skybreaker would glow when using their powers, but those guys didn't.

A skybreaker wouldn't necessarily glow, only when they are using light, you can use other magic, such as breaths, or ferucemy to fuel surgebinding

WoB:

Spoiler

Questioner

You've mentioned in the last couple of afterwords that you get interesting results when you mix types of Investiture.

Brandon Sanderson

Yes.

Questioner

Twinborn and Surgebinders on Roshar. Can you mix a form of magic with a source of Investiture? Can say Vasher use Stormlight in place of Breaths or would that require tampering via Hemalurgy or something like that?

Brandon Sanderson

Most of them require tampering. Some of them are a little bit easier than others. It depends on really what you mean. For instance, white sand can be charged in the presence of any Investiture right? It's just-- But that's not really using the magic, it's just charging it with other Investiture. But, you know, it would be very easy, for instance, if you can get yourself Invested-- Like, for instance, it'd be very easy to use Breaths to fuel Windrunning right? Because the oath and the bond and things like that are going to make it pretty easy. However fueling Allomancy with something else is going to be a lot harder. So it really depends on the magic. It's the sort of thing that there will be lots of science in the books dedicated to making happen in the future and you will find some of the processes these work easier than other ones.

 

[alder24]

8 hours ago, TacoBellChoutaMeal said:

Hey, if F-Nicrosil stores Investiture, hypothetically could a Radiant Soulbearer on Roshar breathe in Stormlight and then store it in a Nicrosilmind and then transport it through Shadesmar? Is that how it works? Or is Nicrosil just the ability to use investiture, not investiture itself? I feel like having an unkeyed nicrosilmind would solve Kel’s problem of trying to get Stormlight off and not being able to. Is this possible but was the whole agreement between honor and odium trapping everybody in the rosharan system interfering with everything? If it wasn’t, this would make sense about how the skybreakers on scadrial at the end of TLM were surgebinding

im at the bar with my boy rn say what’s up

Just a little heads up, this is Mistborn only forum so any information related to other series should be put in a spoiler box. This topic is better fitted to the Cosmere Discussion section. I'll ask mods to move it.

As for your question, we don't know. Nicrosil is said to store investiture, but there are 3 types of investiture - static, kinetic and innate. Static investiture is investiture stored in metalminds or held in gemstones - it does nothing at the moment. Kinetic investiture is the one that does some job, like a Mistborn burning metals to steelpush is using kinetic investiture or a Radiant Surgebinding is also using it. Innate investiture is investiture that is a part of your soul - Preservation's fragment or Breaths are Innate investiture. 

So far we've seen F-nicrosil being able to store only innate investiture (Feruchemy or Allomancy is innate investiture) and while WoBs confirm other innate investiture that could be stored, they RAFO things like Stormlight which is static investiture. I strongly suspect only Innate investiture can be stored in F-nicrosil, which would mean you can't use it to store Stormlight in it.

Spoiler

kingbirdy (paraphrased)

Could Feruchemical nicrosil be used to store other Invested abilities, such as a Returned Breath or the abilities of the Knights Radiant?

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

Yes, that's possible.

DragonCon 2016 (Sept. 4, 2016)

 

Spoiler

Questioner

Would it be possible for someone to store Stormlight in a nicrosil metalmind?

Brandon Sanderson

I will RAFO that for now, but you're thinking the way I want you to be thinking.

Skyward Seattle signing (Nov. 10, 2018)

 

8 hours ago, CoderDrag0n8 said:

WHAT

that didn't happen

did it?

We don't know if they are Skybreakers, but it's the most likley possibility. WoB on this matter:

Spoiler

Matias_Leibo

Are the Coinshots that helped Steris with getting people out of the flood zone, and who seemed rather concerned with whether she was following the law, actually Skybreakers?

Brandon Sanderson

Ah, hehehehehe. So, we'll just leave that one. So, how about this. At this point in continuity, a Skybreaker could not easily get off of Roshar. In fact, by this point in continuity, I believe (you can't hold me to this one too much) the only Radiant who's managed to get off of Roshar and maintain powers is Hoid. I believe that's the case. Hoid is weird. He also has lots of knowledge. He used a specific method to get... yeah, anyway.

Don't hold me to that, but I think by this point he is the first to get out of system. Off-world doesn't really count because you can go to Braize or Ashyn. 

YouTube Spoiler Stream 5 (Dec. 2, 2022)

WaT spoilers:

Spoiler

Staying true to the WoB, from WaT we know spren can now leave Roshar, so it's likely that some Highspren travelled to Scadrial and bonded with some people there.

 

8 hours ago, JustQuestin2004 said:

They don't glow when flying, a real Skybreaker would glow when using their powers, but those guys didn't.

They don't have to glow. Kaladin at first used very little Stormlight specifically to avoid glowing. Those Skybreakers might have used little amounts of pure Dor to avoid glowing, just like Kaladin did in WoK/WoR. There is also a possibility that there is a Lightweaver with them, who made illusions for them to suppress their glow. 

[#1 Taln Fan he/him]

2 hours ago, alder24 said:

Just a little heads up, this is Mistborn only forum so any information related to other series should be put in a spoiler box. This topic is better fitted to the Cosmere Discussion section. I'll ask mods to move it.

Alder is correct. I’ve moved the topic for you.

[TacoBellChoutaMeal]

22 minutes ago, #1 Taln Fan said:

Alder is correct. I’ve moved the topic for you.

Thank you, brother