KaladinsSenseOfHumourSpren He/Him Posted May 19, 2025 Posted May 19, 2025 (edited) BEWARE OF FULL STORMLIGHT ARCHIVE SPOILERS Speak again the ancient oaths. Life before death. Strength before weakness. Journey before destination. Does anyone remember early in WoK when Dalinar made Amaram a 'Knight Radiant', knowing he wouldn't get powers but would still try to embody the spirit of the Radiants? Well, I'm trying to do the same thing, except we'll all hopefully do a better job than Amaram. I welcome anyone who wishes to join me to say the Words and live by them. I have already said the First Ideal. I know the next Words, and will say the Second Ideal of the Truthwatchers soon. I know the Words. (Me from the future here - I said those Words and many more) Guide to choosing your Order You can simply do the Knights Radiant quiz, but you must remember that it cannot account for every single aspect of a person. Especially for things that make Lightweavers Lightweavers, but also other things. This doesn't mean that the quiz is always wrong, but it can be wrong. Another thing I want to address is that I've seen someone on the Shard say they got Truthwatcher but think that being a Skybreaker would help them grow as a person as they'd already be a good Truthwatcher. I disagree. You may seek truth, but do you always seek truth, even when it seems unreachable, or when sharing the truth would prove you're wrong? Can you accept that sometimes there is no truth? Can you truly do all of these things? So yes. If the Order is something you already do well but can do better, it's probably a good fit for you. Also, who says you can't be two Orders at once? We aren't limited by Nahel bonds here. Have as many Orders as you want. End of Guide You may be asking, "What about the Orders with Ideals that we don't know?" The answer to that: You should know the Words. Remember, a lot of the oaths are personalised, so even those that we do know can be different. But, when you reach that stage, you should know them. I know the next 3 sets of Words that I must say... I'm just not ready for them just yet. If you're doing this, do it not for Shards or Surges, but to become a better person. There is no Whimsy in this. Only Honour and Cultivation. (Adjustment from the future: a small amount of Whimsy is permitted, but the Words should be serious) Edit: Now that this is in Social Groups, Clans and Guilds, I feel the need to state this: Stick Radiants do not go here. Swear your allegiance to the Stick in the Cult of the Stick. Also, any other non-canonical Radiant Orders can go in the Bookbringer thread. Edit 2: Alright now I'm going to keep track of the current Knights Radiant. Spoiler @KaladinsSenseOfHumourSpren - 7th Ideal Truthcaller (actually Truthcallweaver), bonded to Reaching-from-the-Past @Belandrius Ohhmar - 4th Ideal Stoneward @Kaladin Stormcursed - 6th Ideal Stonerunner, bonded to Unity (Guardianspren), 5th Ideal Lightweaver bronded to Foundation, and Unoathed @SpartanBrigade - 6th Ideal Lightweaver, bonded to Tapestry, and 4th Ideal Edgedancer, bonded to Cambium @Ashkaloda - 4th Ideal Truthwatcher @Riino - 3rd Ideal Stoneward, bonded to Ul'kuhuli @CoderDrag0n8 - 38th Ideal Truthbonder (Lightweaver+Truthwatcher+Bondsmith) bonded to Fourth Wall, Seeker, and the Oldest Dream, also Unoathed, bonded to Kkoma. @Tinwatcher - 1st Ideal Truthwatcher @Just A Silvereye - 2nd Ideal Truthwatcher @IcedOutPenguin - 4th Ideal Windrunner, 3rd Ideal Skybreaker, 2nd Ideal Elsecaller, bonded to Ichor @al_lan_mandragoran - 6th Ideal Elsecaller, bonded to Onyx and Hope (Therapyspren), 2nd Ideal Dustbringer @TruthwatchingRadiant - 4th Ideal Truthwatcher and 2nd Ideal Stoneward, bonded to Fogsight and Thraven @The Shattered Cosmere - 5th Ideal Windrunner bonded to Shamira @Heřãłðøfľõvê - 3rd Ideal Willshaper, 3rd Ideal Lightweaver @sneak spooky spook guy - 5th Ideal Windrunner, 4th Ideal Edgedancer @Doomslug the Arcane - 1st Ideal Lightweaver @Born of Mist - 4th Ideal Dustbringer Releaser, 2nd Ideal Stoneward and 3rd Ideal Windrunner, bonded to Ember @Weaver of Shadows - 2nd Ideal Lightweaver, bonded to Novel @Celloist - 3rd Ideal Windrunner, bonded to Kudos @ChipsAHoid - 5th Ideal Truthwatcher, bonded to Memory-of-Tomorrow @TwinStorm - 1st Ideal Edgedancer @Denisimo - 4th Ideal Lightweaver @NovaOmen - 5th Ideal Windrunner, 2nd Ideal Dustbringer @Hoid Slayer - 3rd Ideal Elsecaller @SourCandyLime - 9th Ideal Edgerunner @VieB13 - 4rd Ideal Windrunner, bonded to Kiva @AlastorBM - 4th Ideal Bondsmith @Ink and Embers - 3rd Ideal Lightweaver, 2nd Ideal Elsecaller, 2nd Ideal Edgedancer, 2nd Ideal Dustbringer @𝖂𝖍𝖎𝖗𝖙𝖊 - 2nd Ideal Upholder @The Wyver - 3rd Ideal Lightweaver, bonded to Pattern-Two-Point-Oh, Unoathed @YouCantHaveMySandwich - 8th Ideal Truthwatcher, bonded to Eloquent-yet-silent, 7th Ideal Willshaper, bonded to Fioritura @Ire - 2nd Ideal Edgedancer @KnightSkye Reforged - 6th Ideal Windrunner, bonded to Skyelarin, 3rd Ideal Dustbringer, bonded to Pyre @Beholder - 2nd Ideal Skybreaker @Deppresionspren - 4th Ideal Elsecaller @Booknewt - 3rd Ideal Dustcaller @Creation - 3rd Ideal Lightweaver, 1st Ideal Truthwatcher @Shatter - 4th Ideal Windrunner @IHadAThought - 5th Ideal Edgebringer, 3rd Ideal Lightweaver, Unoathed @Akimikoisthecutest - 3rd Ideal Elsecaller, bonded to Cypher @Funnynicespren - 7th Ideal Windrunner, 7th Ideal Lightweaver @First of the Tide - 5th Ideal Willshaper @The Grand Jesk - 2nd Ideal Bondrunner @AonDorSmiteThisGuy - 3rd Ideal Willshaper, bonded to Coda @Wahrheitswächter - 2nd Ideal Truthwatcher @FroggerCollectsHats - 2nd Ideal Edgedancer @aGoofyWillshaper - 1st Ideal Willshaper @Kaladist - 11th Ideal Soulbinder (Truthwatcher+Lightweaver+Elsecaller) @Conure1243 - 4th Ideal Stoneward @Rynturning_Light - 3rd Ideal Windrunner, 4th Ideal Lightweaver @edgyswordname - 4th Ideal Lightweaver, 3rd Ideal Edgedancer, 3rd Ideal Elsecaller, bonded to Opyl, and 3rd Ideal Worldshifter, bonded to 214956029 @Through The Living Star - 5th Ideal Hopeforger (Edgedancer+Windrunner+Lightweaver), bonded to Coil, Ryil, and Flicker @Adonalsium Will Return - 3rd Ideal Stoneward, bonded to Avo @Fizz9 - 2nd Ideal Wingdancer, bonded to Vain and Bud @Factor - 2nd Ideal Lightweaver @wyndle gardens chair - 1st Ideal Edgedancer @Jeffthe5thofJeffland - 1st Ideal Dustbringer bonded to Noor @Through The Living Grub - 2nd Ideal Truthwatcher, 1st Ideal Skybreaker @Keke - 4th Ideal Lightweaver, 4th Ideal Edgedancer @Invested Flautist - 2nd Ideal Edgedancer @coldfuzion76 - 2nd Ideal Truthrunner @JohnTMS - 5th Ideal Truthwatcher @corneeme - 1st Ideal Lightweaver, bonded to Figure @Deception - 2nd Ideal Elsecaller, bonded to Crystal @GG0z - 1st Ideal Windrunner, bonded to Equinox Edit 3: Well later I realised some important stuff, so: Now, there are some things from the original Knights Radiant that, upon closer inspection, don't make sense for us. For one this, it is that the orders are divided. We already many hybrid Radiants. It makes sense, then, to allow for hybrid orders. The next thing is the limit of the Fifth Ideal. It does not make sense for the 5th to be the highest Ideal, because there will be times where you need a 6th. If no one had told Kaladin that there were 5 Ideals, he would've thought the 3rd is the highest until he learned otherwise. So, some may need less Ideals in an Order, some may need more. The final thing for now is the Skybreaker Crusade. I deem that this is no longer only for Skybreakers, and is also no longer limited to being the 4th. It is up to the Radiant when they begin one and what it is. Of course, we can't do anything like Rosharan Skybreakers did and fly around the world, but there are still things we can to prove our Radiance. Edit 4: We have Unoathed too now! If you're one of 'em, just let me know! Edited yesterday at 04:38 AM by KaladinsSenseOfHumourSpren Words have been said 13
Belandrius Ohhmar He/Him Posted May 19, 2025 Posted May 19, 2025 Life Before Death strength before Weakness Journey Before Destination I believe I am ready as well for the next words of the stonewards I will be their when I am needed even when I fall I will take others places to do right. 1
KaladinsSenseOfHumourSpren He/Him Posted May 19, 2025 Author Posted May 19, 2025 I say the Words. I will seek truth and share it with those in need. 1
Through The Living Ash he/him Posted May 19, 2025 Posted May 19, 2025 *me struggling to mean the Immortal Words* Life before death, strength before weakness, destination before journey? 1
KaladinsSenseOfHumourSpren He/Him Posted May 19, 2025 Author Posted May 19, 2025 1 minute ago, Ashkaloda said: destination before journey? T H E S E W O R D S A R E N O T A C C E P T E D Come on, say them.
Kansas Stormcursed he/him Posted May 19, 2025 Posted May 19, 2025 Life before Death, Strength before Weakness, Journey before Destination I cannot yet say the Second Ideal of the Stonewards 1
Through The Living Ash he/him Posted May 19, 2025 Posted May 19, 2025 7 minutes ago, KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren said: T H E S E W O R D S A R E N O T A C C E P T E D Come on, say them. I... I can't.
Kansas Stormcursed he/him Posted May 20, 2025 Posted May 20, 2025 I will be there for others when I am needed. 1
Belandrius Ohhmar He/Him Posted May 20, 2025 Posted May 20, 2025 *grunts in exucrtion* I will stand where others fall
SpartanBrigade He/Him Posted May 20, 2025 Posted May 20, 2025 I swear the First Ideal of the Order of Lightweavers Life before death. Strength before weakness. Journey before destination. I don't know how to swear oaths past here since uh... personalized and all that 1
The Great Wyver She/Her Posted May 20, 2025 Posted May 20, 2025 I will swear the first ideal of the Edgedancers. Life before death, strength before weakness, journey before destination. I am currently seeking the second one...
Kansas Stormcursed he/him Posted May 20, 2025 Posted May 20, 2025 2 hours ago, Belandrius Ohhmar said: *grunts in exucrtion* I will stand where others fall Didn't you already swear that one?
SpartanBrigade He/Him Posted May 20, 2025 Posted May 20, 2025 1 minute ago, Kaladin Stormcursed said: Didn't you already swear that one? He's just practicing it I suppose
Kansas Stormcursed he/him Posted May 20, 2025 Posted May 20, 2025 Just now, SpartanBrigade said: He's just practicing it I suppose Ah gotcha
The Great Wyver She/Her Posted May 20, 2025 Posted May 20, 2025 Yes You practice your oaths oh no... I've found the next ideal! I will stand strong when others are weak is that it? am i... blessed?
Belandrius Ohhmar He/Him Posted May 20, 2025 Posted May 20, 2025 (edited) No the third stoneward oath slightly different from the second one. Edited May 20, 2025 by Belandrius Ohhmar
SpartanBrigade He/Him Posted May 20, 2025 Posted May 20, 2025 26 minutes ago, Wyver said: Yes You practice your oaths oh no... I've found the next ideal! I will stand strong when others are weak is that it? am i... blessed? I think you are It seems you are blessed One could even say... stormblessed 1
The Great Wyver She/Her Posted May 20, 2025 Posted May 20, 2025 1 hour ago, SpartanBrigade said: I think you are It seems you are blessed One could even say... stormblessed No I'm Wyverblessed
Through the living jeff he/him(straight) Posted May 20, 2025 Posted May 20, 2025 Stick before stick, stick before stick, stick before stick. 3
Belandrius Ohhmar He/Him Posted May 20, 2025 Posted May 20, 2025 oh! he is a stickmonger! the 11 order! 1
Through the living jeff he/him(straight) Posted May 20, 2025 Posted May 20, 2025 (edited) Ehehehheheheheh YOU SHALL RUE THE DAY YOU ATTEMPTED TO CHANGE OUR NATURE, PUNY HUMANS Edited May 20, 2025 by YEVAD 2
Belandrius Ohhmar He/Him Posted May 20, 2025 Posted May 20, 2025 I will not embark on a course of action unless the result will be just and worthwhile.
The Great Wyver She/Her Posted May 20, 2025 Posted May 20, 2025 I will remember those who have been forgotten by others a bit more specific
KaladinsSenseOfHumourSpren He/Him Posted May 20, 2025 Author Posted May 20, 2025 (edited) 3 hours ago, Belandrius Ohhmar said: I will not embark on a course of action unless the result will be just and worthwhile. Fourth Ideal already? Can you give us an example of when you showed Radiance? 7 hours ago, SpartanBrigade said: I swear the First Ideal of the Order of Lightweavers Life before death. Strength before weakness. Journey before destination. I don't know how to swear oaths past here since uh... personalized and all that I'm sure you can figure it out. Edited May 20, 2025 by KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren
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