Kasimir he/him Posted May 23, 2025 Posted May 23, 2025 (edited) 9 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said: Sweet thank you. Driving again so can’t make my own lmao AFAICT: Quote TJ (6): TUN, Polly, Striker RBM (3): Kas TUN (3): Spirit, Triple B Striker (3): TOW, Null Aster (2): Polly (2): YEVAD (2): Demon (2): Tinwatcher (1): Tinwatcher TOW (1): Kasimir (1): Penguin (1): I'm actually disliking the rapid accumulation of votes on you and TUN and am considering if a more quiet and easily-intimidated Elim team is trying to use this to push out all the veterans. I don't fully know how I read either of you, but this is not a train I really like that much. Edited to add: 41 minutes ago, Lord Spirit said: I don’t have any great reasons for TUO aside from vibes Any chance you can spell out what you mean by vibes a little more? 46 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said: That could just be clueless newbie villager…but you’re right that it is very suspicious…. RBM turned KSauce into a viable train. I could be convinced to switch my vote from TJ to RBM. Yes and no. It's within Roy's range for either alignment, but at Roy's current post count, there's no telling which, which itself IMO calls for a bit of pressure. I'm also trying to understand this D1 post from Null: On 5/22/2025 at 6:43 PM, Negative_Null said: That's also a good point, that we can see who will be saved by the Elims. Regardless, after checking the spreadsheet, I'll keep my vote for Unknown. Sorry, Spren but I can't do anything for you Null initially wanted to create a tie so no one died by voting TUN. (I don't understand the TUN vote and retain my question about it - why TUN when the lead trains were clearly TJ and KSauce? How does TUN create a tie? Then, how do you go from a "well I guess I can't avoid one death" mindset to "I'll keep my vote on Unknown despite a 3/3 tie meaning both TJ and KSauce die" mindset? This kind of suggests you felt there's something attractive about the TUN vote and yet the OG TUN vote was both unexplained and suggested to be as a result of a desire for a no exe D1. How does this make sense? Edited to add 2: I suppose part of it is the fact I still low key expect TJ to flip Village but I guess I could always be wrong here. Wouldn't be the first time. D1 had the TJ and KSauce trains remain fairly sticky. There's a bunch of side-trains in the vicinity, but tempo was low and that makes me feel like there was low investment, and not just on TJ's part, to make the save. To me, that doesn't really read like the kind of thread that is on the cusp of exeing an Elim D1. Edited May 23, 2025 by Kasimir
|TJ| he/him Posted May 23, 2025 Posted May 23, 2025 (edited) Ugh, cannot wait for the last minute vote shenanigans. I consider myself quite good at getting a correct read on Striker whenever he's village i.e., can correctly spot ML on v!Striker. I've not played with him in a while so while I'm not reading Striker as village currently, village!Striker becomes very obviously village to me, don't ask me how but it's just a thing. So I want to give him more time. TUO I can never accurately read in the beginning stages of the game. RoyalBeeMage 1 hour ago, StrikerEZ said: I could be convinced to switch my vote from TJ to RBM. How do you read me outside the vote removal? I think that's the only thing I remember you mentioning about me this cycle. Could you switch to RBM? Edited May 23, 2025 by |TJ|
Kasimir he/him Posted May 23, 2025 Posted May 23, 2025 Quote TJ (5): TUN, Polly, Striker RBM (4): Kas, TJ TUN (3): Spirit, Triple B Striker (3): TOW, Null Aster (2): Polly (2): YEVAD (2): Demon (2): Tinwatcher (1): Tinwatcher TOW (1): Kasimir (1): Penguin (1): Accounting for TJ's vote shift. 1
OoklaApologist She/her Posted May 23, 2025 Posted May 23, 2025 Accounting for the shift, if the elims use an erasure on TJ, RBM will die. Can someone else move onto TJ? @Tinwatcher, @IcedOutPenguin, @Aster and @BigBadBagsworth especially, we need your help
Kasimir he/him Posted May 23, 2025 Posted May 23, 2025 3 minutes ago, KelsierApologist said: Accounting for the shift, if the elims use an erasure on TJ, RBM will die. Can someone else move onto TJ? @Tinwatcher, @IcedOutPenguin, @Aster and @BigBadBagsworth especially, we need your help Do you V!read RBM? Why are you invested in keeping RBM alive?
Jo and the Bush all/any Posted May 23, 2025 Author Posted May 23, 2025 (edited) TURN 2 IS OVER. Please proceed to Turn 3: Introspection Edited May 23, 2025 by A Jo in the Bush
Jo and the Bush all/any Posted May 23, 2025 Author Posted May 23, 2025 (edited) (Disclaimer, the following purple text was written by @KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren, and reflects only his suspicions at the time of his death.) Talinele stepped onto the execution platform. "Sibling?" he asked. Yes? "Will I be a Cognitive Shadow?" There was a pause. Yes. Talinele nodded. It was time to meet the various Invested entities lurking in Shadesmar. He addressed the crowd. Most would be citizens of Urithiru, but some... "I would like to thank you all for my time in Urithiru, short as it was. Those who voted for me had mostly valid reasons. When I meet you in Shadesmar, I might not hold it against you. However, if you were an enemy of Urithiru, then I'm sure retribution will come." Talinele locked eyes with Elkath. "Farewell, for now. See you in a land of beads." With that, a Shardbearer swung twice, chopped his head off. A head that was glowing with Stormlight. "Well, that is one thread snipped. Do you feel any better?" There was a long silence. Midius filled it with humming as he descended the stairs from the execution room back to the memory hall. "I don't. Would I know if my memories were restored? Would I feel it?" Midius sighed. "Probably not. When my memories were, removed, I never felt the change. I'm sorry Sibling, but those memories are probably gone forever." "I keep going through my life, over and over again, wondering if I've lost anything else. It's distracting, but, I don't want to miss something." "Introspection can be a terrible curse." Midius raised his hand to the jewelry he wore, in which many of his memories were stored. "I understand." "It's down to 15 original suspects again. Who have I forgotten Midius? Why does this keep happening?" "They must have figure out something about how you work. Who do you remember? I'll fill you in?" The Sibling listed off 15 names, including Talinele, now dead. "Interesting." Midius thought about what he had seen from Tim. "You forgot an energetic fellow. He sat on Teejay once." He filled them in on what he knew of the man. "Interesting." When they reached the memory hall, there was a commotion going on. a great many people were pointing fingers at Roy. A guard hurried over to Midius as soon as he entered. "Sir, in the last several minutes, a group of them have begun accusing Roy of secretly interacting with he gemstones here. They've accused him of sabotage." "Hmm. Sibling? Do you recall what he was doing?" "Yes, there's no void around him, but he was doing, something, that I don't understand when I realized that I forgot Tim. It might have been him." "Alright then, guards, take Roy into custody. We can imply it's for his own protection for now, while we investigate." Quick Fix 75: The Tower's Pressure, Turn 3: Introspection @RoyalBeeMage was Executed! RoyalBeeMage was a Citizen! All of BigBadBagsworth's Votes have been erased. I am currently in talks with YEVAD and THE DEMON about whether or not they will be able to play. Player List and Current Vote Count: @BigBadBagsworth Zero @KelsierApologist Two @The Unknown Order Two @YEVAD Two @IcedOutPenguin One @|TJ| Four KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren Executed Turn 1 @ThatOneWorldhopper Zero @Negative_Null Zero RoyalBeeMage Executed Turn 2 @Lord Spirit Zero @Tinwatcher One @THE DEMON Two @StrikerEZ Two @Aster Two @Kasimir One Edited May 23, 2025 by A Jo in the Bush Forgot the title, lol
StrikerEZ he/him Posted May 23, 2025 Posted May 23, 2025 Well crem I panicked. I was driving and sneaking glances at my phone, probably a little unsafely, and TJ was right that I only sussed him for the mechanical reasons, and Kas had me worried about the votes on me and TUN, and I panicked.
Kasimir he/him Posted May 23, 2025 Posted May 23, 2025 21 minutes ago, A Jo in the Bush said: All of BigBadBagsworth's Votes have been erased. Wait. Isn't this the Mercy shot? They burned the Mercy shot?
OoklaApologist She/her Posted May 23, 2025 Posted May 23, 2025 I think it’s kind of weird that Kas had the whole lecture about first-order issues and then pivoted off TJ. It’s clear enough now, in my opinion TJ 1 minute ago, Kasimir said: Wait. Isn't this the Mercy shot? They burned the Mercy shot? No, I think it’s a normal vote clear, right? Btw, I’ll be kind of out of touch this cycle
Kasimir he/him Posted May 23, 2025 Posted May 23, 2025 Just now, KelsierApologist said: I think it’s kind of weird that Kas had the whole lecture about first-order issues and then pivoted off TJ. Since when did I even vote TJ the entire cycle? I challenge you to find a single point my vote was on TJ. I always wanted us to find a secondary we didn't mind dying because THE ELIMS STILL HAD THE GODDAMNED MERCY SHOT. You can go search for it in my posts. I've been repeatedly clear on it. 2 minutes ago, KelsierApologist said: No, I think it’s a normal vote clear, right? Triple B never voted on any main train! Edited to add: Like literally - your entire EoD was "yo vote more on TJ so the Elims can't voteclear to kill both RBM and TJ." I think it's reasonable to challenge a sudden last-minute desperate attempt to save a player who had made a pretty sus vote on D1 by asking whether it's an E/E save or not - if RBM had said things that give you an explainable read basis, that's one thing and I would probably not have been so alarmed. There wasn't anything there and I would know because apparently only one of us is backreading the cycles. Edited to add 2: Since I apparently have to do this now: Quote TJ (5): TUN, Polly RBM (5): Kas, TJ, Striker TUN (3): Spirit, Triple B Striker (3): TOW, Null Aster (2): Polly (2): YEVAD (2): Demon (2): Tinwatcher (1): Tinwatcher TOW (1): Kasimir (1): Penguin (1): This is the train that got Soothed. The only world in which TJ survives is a world in which the Mercy shot is blown. To be clear, the Mercy shot is used exactly once in a game, and then that's it. You don't blow this to frame a Villager IMO.
StrikerEZ he/him Posted May 23, 2025 Posted May 23, 2025 11 minutes ago, Kasimir said: Triple B never voted on any main train! Yeah I don’t even know what to do with that vote clear information
Kasimir he/him Posted May 23, 2025 Posted May 23, 2025 Just now, StrikerEZ said: Yeah I don’t even know what to do with that vote clear information Could be the Elims messing with our heads. If you're V, you'll have a better idea than me but I think another option is that it probably indicates Polly is clear, which is a little annoying to me as I'm concerned Polly is TMI-ing Roy. I think the good point of the Mercy shot being blown is that as long as there's a good secondary train, TJ is not avoiding an exe this cycle. I will further note for the benefit of everyone, especially Polly, that there was nothing we could do about the Mercy shot except to ensure a secondary train we could live with was in place. I continue to wait for Polly to enlighten me about the obvious badness of a RBM secondary train that does not immediately know RBM's flip.
StrikerEZ he/him Posted May 23, 2025 Posted May 23, 2025 3 minutes ago, Kasimir said: Could be the Elims messing with our heads. If you're V, you'll have a better idea than me but I think another option is that it probably indicates Polly is clear, which is a little annoying to me as I'm concerned Polly is TMI-ing Roy. I think the good point of the Mercy shot being blown is that as long as there's a good secondary train, TJ is not avoiding an exe this cycle. I will further note for the benefit of everyone, especially Polly, that there was nothing we could do about the Mercy shot except to ensure a secondary train we could live with was in place. I continue to wait for Polly to enlighten me about the obvious badness of a RBM secondary train that does not immediately know RBM's flip. Wait…you have a different number of votes on TJ than in the GM post. Jo says TJ only had 4 votes last cycle
Kasimir he/him Posted May 23, 2025 Posted May 23, 2025 1 minute ago, StrikerEZ said: Wait…you have a different number of votes on TJ than in the GM post. Jo says TJ only had 4 votes last cycle That's weird to me. TJ should've had three carried over from - oh, d'oh, no, he had two carried over because of TOW. GDI. Yeah okay, if E!TJ we're probably still going to deal with a Mercy forced vote. I'm cool with volunteering to be the secondary train so I don't remotely need to deal with this BS anymore
Negative_Null They/Them Posted May 23, 2025 Posted May 23, 2025 23 minutes ago, Kasimir said: Since when did I even vote TJ the entire cycle? I challenge you to find a single point my vote was on TJ. I always wanted us to find a secondary we didn't mind dying because THE ELIMS STILL HAD THE GODDAMNED MERCY SHOT. You can go search for it in my posts. I've been repeatedly clear on it. Triple B never voted on any main train! Edited to add: Like literally - your entire EoD was "yo vote more on TJ so the Elims can't voteclear to kill both RBM and TJ." I think it's reasonable to challenge a sudden last-minute desperate attempt to save a player who had made a pretty sus vote on D1 by asking whether it's an E/E save or not - if RBM had said things that give you an explainable read basis, that's one thing and I would probably not have been so alarmed. There wasn't anything there and I would know because apparently only one of us is backreading the cycles. Edited to add 2: Since I apparently have to do this now: This is the train that got Soothed. The only world in which TJ survives is a world in which the Mercy shot is blown. To be clear, the Mercy shot is used exactly once in a game, and then that's it. You don't blow this to frame a Villager IMO. Dang, I got here just after the roll over. yeah this is crazy The question is did the elim team misplay? Or do we need to start looking harder at BigBad? I don't remember them doing much in the last two cycles
Jo and the Bush all/any Posted May 23, 2025 Author Posted May 23, 2025 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Kasimir said: Wait. Isn't this the Mercy shot? They burned the Mercy shot? No? To be clear, when the Mercy shot gets used, it will be stated in Big Bold Letters. The elims erased the votes that BigBadBagsworth had cast. One for StrikerEZ in Cycle 1, and one for TheUnknownOrder in Cycle 2. To the best of my checking, TJ only had 4 votes, and RoyalBeeMage had 5. I hope I did not mess that up. Edited May 23, 2025 by A Jo in the Bush
Kasimir he/him Posted May 23, 2025 Posted May 23, 2025 (edited) Edited to add: With E!TJ world a lot more likely at present, the D1 train becomes somewhat more informative. Out of respect for the fact TJ hasn't flipped, I'm using highlights. Quote TJ (3): KSauce, TOW, Polly KSauce (3): Penguin, RBM, Striker Polly (2): Kas, TJ Aster (1): Spirit Striker (1): Triple B Kas (1): Tinwatcher RBM (1): Aster Penguin (1): TUN TUN (1): Null (1) Was the KSauce train entirely pure? I do wonder, if only because I'm of the view that the Elims should by right have tried voting to save TJ first. Between <Penguin, Striker>, I V!read Penguin more than I do Striker, for reasons already laid out. (2) Was the TJ train entirely pure? In theory it should be, but with a single Soothe, I think they can at max afford one Elim on it. However, it's probably not the primary world I'd focus on (because, while this seems to be something I've been saying until I'm blue in the face that has been falling on deaf ears - good Village play always requires you to look at plausibility and not possibility. See: yes, the ball can quantum tunnel through the floor, no it probably isn't happening on 99.999999% of worlds, and if you can't see this, you're probably just Evil. I'm done having this conversation.) So asterisk Polly and TOW for the moment. Quote TJ (4): TUN, Polly RBM (5): Kas, TJ, Striker TUN (2): Spirit, Triple B Striker (3): TOW, Null Aster (2): Polly (2): YEVAD (2): Demon (2): Tinwatcher (1): Tinwatcher TOW (1): Kasimir (1): Penguin (1): Soothing Triple B in this landscape is interesting - it minimally indicates some investment in keeping votes low on TUN, but high on Striker. At the same time, with TUN being the first to push for TJ, I don't really think TUN is likely. My other thought would be (and this is why I mentioned the potential Polly clear) it suggests the order might've been placed earlier in the cycle, and that they just weren't on at EoD to change it. It does make it a weird read in light of TJ being on to ask for a RBM swing, so I'm not really sure of it, though he may not have had time to change the order, depending on how busy his morning was. I think my big question in both worlds is: where's the Elim team in that landscape? Day One: Quote TJ (3): KSauce, TOW, Polly KSauce (3): Penguin, RBM, Striker Polly (2): Kas, TJ Aster (1): Spirit Striker (1): Triple B Kas (1): Tinwatcher RBM (1): Aster Penguin (1): TUN TUN (1): Null YAVED (1): DEMON (1): Feel free to doublecheck, because the carryover votes are just cursed at this point, I missed the damn Null train, and my main beef with Jo's vcs is you don't get breakdowns and we need breakdowns. Presume for the moment a 4-5 team. 6 feels maybe on the far end in a volatile game, though perhaps I'm wrong about it. Day One strongly looks like at least one Elim on KSauce, though not impossible otherwise. So at least one Elim between: <Penguin, Striker.> Likelihood is we're also seeing at least two in the sidetrains, potentially as an attempt to start a CW and see if it'd hit, or just busywork: <TUN, Null, Aster, Tinwatcher, Triple B, Spirit.> The more Elims on KSauce, the fewer we need on the sidetrains. At maximum one Elim between <TOW, Polly> - it's possible for them to have decided a distancing vote was ok given the Soothe but risky because it draws attention to TJ's train. Unsure. I don't rule out YAVED or DEMON being Evil, but again, they're functionally inert so I wouldn't look at either of them until something happens. More likely worlds: <TJ, KSauce #1, Sidetrain #1, Sidetrain #2>, fill as you like. Can be KSauce #1 and KSauce #2 too, I suppose. Day Two: Quote TJ (4): TUN, Polly RBM (5): Kas, TJ, Striker TUN (2): Spirit, Triple B Striker (3): TOW, Null Aster (2): Polly (2): YEVAD (2): Demon (2): Tinwatcher (1): Tinwatcher TOW (1): Kasimir (1): Penguin (1): Tinwatcher notably self-voted and did nothing. Tinwatcher is either an Elim who isn't worried because of the Soothe, or is Village. Not very helpful, but I don't got enough from Tinwatcher to go off. I still do distrust the sudden TUN and Striker votesurge. <TUN, Polly> here IMO... I'd say looks alright with the asterisk that a bus would be safe for Village cred given the situation plus the Mercy shot still existing. I'm slightly of the view that the TUN and Striker trains might've been to try to prepare a favourable secondary train in case they had to push the button on a Mercy shot. In that light, I'm slightly distrustful of the <Spirit, Triple B>, <TOW, Null> pairs in that I doubt either pair is pure, but the weaker claim is at least one in those few. Main issue for me RE: TUN and Striker is I distrust the votes coming out of nowhere and citing vibes, or just existing - hitting those numbers is weird to me, and in the short-term, looks like it wants to prep secondary trains, in the long-term, looks like it wants to make those two easier to exe, and I just don't like the look of that. Edited May 23, 2025 by Kasimir reformated to avoid weird page things
IcedOutPenguin He/Him Posted May 23, 2025 Posted May 23, 2025 Why did RBM get executed? I thought for sure TJ was going to be executed, did all of you change your votes?
StrikerEZ he/him Posted May 23, 2025 Posted May 23, 2025 19 minutes ago, The Unknown Order said: I do not like this one bit. You and me both. What a game for my first time back lmao
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted May 23, 2025 Posted May 23, 2025 Just now, StrikerEZ said: You and me both. What a game for my first time back lmao Says the person who saved TJ >.> You're the reason I don't like this.
Kasimir he/him Posted May 23, 2025 Posted May 23, 2025 20 minutes ago, IcedOutPenguin said: Why did RBM get executed? I thought for sure TJ was going to be executed, did all of you change your votes? 49 minutes ago, Kasimir said: TJ (4): TUN, Polly RBM (5): Kas, TJ, Striker TUN (2): Spirit, Triple B Striker (3): TOW, Null Aster (2): Polly (2): YEVAD (2): Demon (2): Tinwatcher (1): Tinwatcher TOW (1): Kasimir (1): Penguin (1): Take with pinch of salt as doing vcs in this game is cursed enough I have PTSD by this point. TJ showed up and voted RBM, Striker was asking me about my RBM thoughts and voted RBM (IDR if it was a switch), I voted RBM earlier because I didn't like RBM's vote from D1 where he placed a vote on KSauce citing things he didn't like and then dipped and kept the vote there. Also did not like the look of TUN and Striker secondary trains as both of them were on 3 votes (Triple B was Soothed.)
Lord Spirit he/him Posted May 23, 2025 Posted May 23, 2025 55 minutes ago, Kasimir said: I distrust the votes coming out of nowhere and citing vibes I wish I had a specific reason, but I was rushing to get a vote in before I had to go. This sounds cliche, but I know that I’m V (literally) and therefore, my odds of voting an elim increase by not voting for myself. I thought TJ was toast. I’ve learned though. TJ
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