Long Game 104: The Flame of Tar Valon

[TwinStorm He/Him]

37 minutes ago, xxGaea said:

I am also slightly suspicious of Kas rn, since he seems to be so fully be controlling the conversation this cycle and last cycle. Could genuinely be a village thing--but it could very easily be an elim making themselves very present and active in the thread to avoid suspicion--since a lot of elims tend to prefer to lurk and make minimal posts in my experience.

 

This does feel weird, as Kas kinda is dominating, but that might just be standard village behavior for Kas.... I'm going to vote for Steel, something seems off to me about him, but that can easily change before rollovers.

Edited to Add:

oh shoot forgot you were a sitter , retracting my vote for Steel now. Steel.

Edited March 23, 2025 by TwinStorm

[Through the Living Hopper He/Him]

Sorry Sart, I forgot that you were Sitter! I change my vote to Terrisman.

Edited March 23, 2025 by ThatOneWorldhopper

[The Wandering Wizard he/him]

36 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

@xxGaea, or @The Wandering Wizard, did you try to become Sitters? Seems like something you'd both do. (Edit: in addition to Drake, but multiple people have commented on Drake before but not these two.)

Not really, too tired to try and chase that golden dragon  

Kas

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

So, uh, new vote count:

Aeternum(1): Kasimir
Drake Marshall(2): A Jo in the Bush, xxGaea
xxGaea(1): Sart
Kasimir(1): The Wandering Wizard

TwinsStorm and TOW have both voted on Sitters unfortunately.

Reminder to everyone that the following players are Sitters, and cannot be executed today:

A Jo in the Bush - Sitter of the Yellow Ajah
The Unknown Flame - Sitter of the Brown Ajah
Sart - Sitter of the Green Ajah
Terrisman - Sitter of the Grey Ajah
BridgeBoi - Sitter of the Blue Ajah
Steeldancer - Sitter of the White Ajah

The following can be voted on and Executed:

The Wandering Wizard
KelsierApologist
TwinStorm
Aeternium
Ashbringer
Kasimir
ThatOneWorldHopper
DrakeMarshall
Mark IV
Teldris Anuar
STINK
xxGaea

Edited March 23, 2025 by A Jo in the Bush

[xxGaea They/Them, Fae/Faer]

21 minutes ago, Aeternum said:

That is generally a town trait and I'm not sure why you're attributing it to being an elim fmpov - is there anything Kas has said that makes you lean that way specifically? If you could expand on your read here in more depth, that would help me figure out your thought process behind this.

Thoughts on others who have been more vocal in the thread and have more presence?

I mean, it's something I've seen in other mafia-style games I've participated in--making yourself super visible and obvious, since it can often put others "at ease" so to speak. I wasn't aware that it was considered to mostly be a town trait.

I don't remember any specific posts that caused my wariness of Kas, just a general feeling of off-ness as a whole. While I try to make analysis when I have them, I generally run off of gut instincts instead to varying degrees of effectiveness since that is a more enjoyable way to play for me. That's the problem with explaining my thought process--the process is largely built on vibes.

The only other people that come to mind would be Jo and Steel. For Jo, I don't think she is an elim, since his reactions seem genuine--but I am also in the same boat they are in where I don't actually trust my judgement on them since we're married, lol.

As for Steel, I have conflicting feelings on his alignment, but I think that is partially due to the last game we just played in.

In general, Kas's posts are the ones that have stuck out to me most, from a mixture of the amount of information it seems like he has and the general tone feeling off to me.

 

Regardless, as it was pointed out that my joke vote has no real purpose Drake Marshall, placing my actual vote on Mark IV.

Edited March 23, 2025 by xxGaea

[Aeternum]

TwinStorm

[TwinStorm He/Him]

7 minutes ago, A Jo in the Bush said:

So, uh, new vote count:

Aeternum(1): Kasimir
Drake Marshall(2): A Jo in the Bush, xxGaea
xxGaea(1): Sart
Kasimir(1): The Wandering Wizard

TwinsStorm and TOW have both voted on Sitters unfortunately.

Reminder to everyone that the following players are Sitters, and cannot be executed today:

A Jo in the Bush - Sitter of the Yellow Ajah
The Unknown Flame - Sitter of the Brown Ajah
Sart - Sitter of the Green Ajah
Terrisman - Sitter of the Grey Ajah
BridgeBoi - Sitter of the Blue Ajah
Steeldancer - Sitter of the White Ajah

The following can be voted on and Executed:

The Wandering Wizard
KelsierApologist
TwinStorm
Aeternium
Ashbringer
Kasimir
ThatOneWorldHopper
DrakeMarshall
Mark IV
Teldris Anuar
STINK
xxGaea

ultimately, I think Kas seems very off, and the tone of his posts strike me as weird, beating around the bush a lot, so I think I have to go with you, unless something major happens.

2 minutes ago, Aeternum said:

TwinStorm

can I hearr your reasoning?

[Terrisman]

Sorry I wasn’t around much today. I read the thread twice and will have to go through it a few more times to really discuss but I did get a elim feel from xxGaea for now

[BridgeBoi]

After thinking about it, and reading some posts, the election mechanic is broken. The black Ajah wins if we depose a village or if we don’t depose a Elim. That’s two win conditions versus a minimal beneficial village armylmn. (Sorry about spelling) Having double votes and seeing all docs are good but not that good. Therefore, it’s probably best to ignore the election until you have to. Although, so we can execute sus sitters (nice alliteration/ looking at you, Sart) It’s probably best to determine a sus sitter and then spread out your votes for the other five sitters. That way you can choose who gets stilled but deadlock the election. 
just looking ahead to the night,

um as for voting someone out, I’m not sure if anyone is really sus. It’s hard to tell when someone’s lying over text. The only person I know I’m suspicious of is a sitter (cough cough sart) and I don’t really have any other suspects. Therefore, I’m would want to let the lord of chaos reign and hopefully vote tomorrow. As a very prelimary vote, Kas. no really articulate reason but vibes feel a little off. I’ll finalize and probably change my vote tmrw.
happy hunting, good night, and may the light illumine yall!

 

Edited March 23, 2025 by BridgeBoi

[Teldris Anuar]

I can confirm that i share an ajah with xxGaea and that they did not attempt to become a sitter.

 

STINK

 

[Aeternum]

9 minutes ago, xxGaea said:

I mean, it's something I've seen in other mafia-style games I've participated in--making yourself super visible and obvious, since it can often put others "at ease" so to speak. I wasn't aware that it was considered to mostly be a town trait.

I don't remember any specific posts that caused my wariness of Kas, just a general feeling of off-ness as a whole. While I try to make analysis when I have them, I generally run off of gut instincts instead to varying degrees of effectiveness since that is a more enjoyable way to play for me. That's the problem with explaining my thought process--the process is largely built on vibes.

The only other people that come to mind would be Jo and Steel. For Jo, I don't think she is an elim, since his reactions seem genuine--but I am also in the same boat they are in where I don't actually trust my judgement on them since we're married, lol.

As for Steel, I have conflicting feelings on his alignment, but I think that is partially due to the last game we just played in.

In general, Kas's posts are the ones that have stuck out to me most, from a mixture of the amount of information it seems like he has and the general tone feeling off to me.

 

Regardless, as it was pointed out that my joke vote was a stupid thing to do, Drake Marshall, placing my actual vote on Mark IV.

It's generally a town trait in my experience. It requires a certain kind of elim to be able to pull off performances like that and survive until endgame, which I don't generally see (although tbf here - I play mostly with people who bus a lot, because bussing is ez).

In your post you mention:

57 minutes ago, xxGaea said:

Could genuinely be a village thing--but it could very easily be an elim making themselves very present and active in the thread to avoid suspicion--since a lot of elims tend to prefer to lurk and make minimal posts in my experience.

Which I was curious on why you were leaning towards this being the case over it being a townie putting in a lot of effort and being more vocal in thread (the way I've seen v!Kas do before - tbf I've never seen e!Kas and don't know his range).

I understand reading off of vibes and instincts (I do that a lot too), but generally it's possible to pinpoint a reason behind why specifically you're feeling this way, even if it's just a specific post you point at and are like "wow this is wolfy", which is what I was trying to get you to elaborate to.

I'm also curious on your mental picture of Kas's wolf range, but that's a whole different question I'm not sure how to phrase or go about talking about rn.

4 minutes ago, TwinStorm said:

can I hearr your reasoning?

You just did two things that pinged me quite a lot

4 minutes ago, TwinStorm said:

ultimately, I think Kas seems very off, and the tone of his posts strike me as weird, beating around the bush a lot, so I think I have to go with you, unless something major happens.

Can you elaborate on this more? Are there any posts specifically making you feel this way, especially irt the tone part? What makes you think the bolded part?

[xxGaea They/Them, Fae/Faer]

6 minutes ago, Aeternum said:

Which I was curious on why you were leaning towards this being the case over it being a townie putting in a lot of effort and being more vocal in thread (the way I've seen v!Kas do before - tbf I've never seen e!Kas and don't know his range).

I understand reading off of vibes and instincts (I do that a lot too), but generally it's possible to pinpoint a reason behind why specifically you're feeling this way, even if it's just a specific post you point at and are like "wow this is wolfy", which is what I was trying to get you to elaborate to.

I'm also curious on your mental picture of Kas's wolf range, but that's a whole different question I'm not sure how to phrase or go about talking about rn.

To be fair, I've never played with Kas before afaik so I don't actually know what his playstyle is one way or the other. In general, yeah, a lot of people do work that way, but my brain doesn't. I can't always pinpoint what is causing it, and if I go back and read everything Kas has said now, none of it will be the source, it will all just be suspicious, because it tis the full picture that is making me suspicious.

Edited March 23, 2025 by xxGaea
editing phrasing

[TwinStorm He/Him]

8 minutes ago, Aeternum said:

It's generally a town trait in my experience. It requires a certain kind of elim to be able to pull off performances like that and survive until endgame, which I don't generally see (although tbf here - I play mostly with people who bus a lot, because bussing is ez).

In your post you mention:

Which I was curious on why you were leaning towards this being the case over it being a townie putting in a lot of effort and being more vocal in thread (the way I've seen v!Kas do before - tbf I've never seen e!Kas and don't know his range).

I understand reading off of vibes and instincts (I do that a lot too), but generally it's possible to pinpoint a reason behind why specifically you're feeling this way, even if it's just a specific post you point at and are like "wow this is wolfy", which is what I was trying to get you to elaborate to.

I'm also curious on your mental picture of Kas's wolf range, but that's a whole different question I'm not sure how to phrase or go about talking about rn.

You just did two things that pinged me quite a lot

Can you elaborate on this more? Are there any posts specifically making you feel this way, especially irt the tone part? What makes you think the bolded part?

the bolded part is just the phrasing I used, and much like Gaea I can't point to anything specifically, just a very sus control of the convo, especially since hes not a sitter.

[OoklaApologist She/her]

2 hours ago, Mark IV said:

Unless you're referring to the reasoning

Yeah, it’s the reasoning lol. You had all of my reasons in one place

2 hours ago, Mark IV said:

Is KelsierApologist Polly

Yep! It’s the stressed syllable in apologist

[Aeternum]

7 minutes ago, xxGaea said:

To be fair, I've never played with Kas before afaik so I don't actually know what his playstyle is one way or the other. In general, yeah, a lot of people do work that way, but my brain doesn't. I can't always pinpoint what is causing it, and if I go back and read everything Kas has said now, none of it will be the source, it will all just be suspicious, because it tis the full picture that is making me suspicious.

Understandable, I get that irt the full picture making you suspicious. I think it's natural to be a bit paranoid of thread leaders anyways so I can understand where you're coming from.

5 minutes ago, TwinStorm said:

the bolded part is just the phrasing I used, and much like Gaea I can't point to anything specifically, just a very sus control of the convo, especially since hes not a sitter.

You're um. Doing something insanely wolfy by taking Gaea's point and using it to further a push on Kas, rather than having your own reason. You've even used Gaea's wording "control of the convo".

I'd like you to try to elaborate on this as much as possible here. I understand vibe reads and the full picuture seeming wolfy, but as someone who is known for "lol I don't explain my reads" to a lot of people, I often find there's still a specific post I can find that I can say pinged me, even if I can't articulate why I found that post wolfy, and I'd like if you could skim through Kas's posts again and let me know if you feel this way about a certain post.

[OoklaApologist She/her]

3 hours ago, Mark IV said:

I can't imagine reading and parsing 5 other Ajah docs. WITHIN ONE CYCLE !! 

There is not enough time in the world for that

[TwinStorm He/Him]

6 minutes ago, Aeternum said:

Understandable, I get that irt the full picture making you suspicious. I think it's natural to be a bit paranoid of thread leaders anyways so I can understand where you're coming from.

You're um. Doing something insanely wolfy by taking Gaea's point and using it to further a push on Kas, rather than having your own reason. You've even used Gaea's wording "control of the convo".

I'd like you to try to elaborate on this as much as possible here. I understand vibe reads and the full picuture seeming wolfy, but as someone who is known for "lol I don't explain my reads" to a lot of people, I often find there's still a specific post I can find that I can say pinged me, even if I can't articulate why I found that post wolfy, and I'd like if you could skim through Kas's posts again and let me know if you feel this way about a certain post.

this one particularly seems sus, automatically assuming Ajahs aren't willing to band around sitters, which seems like the mentality of most Ajahs in the actual game

11 hours ago, Kasimir said:

Jo, you seem to imply you aren't suspecting your Ajah-mates for supporting you. If you are a Villager, why do you think they would agree to back you? Do you feel there's E!agenda involved? I'm trying to understand why your Ajah seems to be fairly trusting/hakuna matata as that doesn't seem like a very Village fog-of-war mindset.

Edited to add:

Why so? Do you think the election will be purely random?

 

10 minutes ago, KelsierApologist said:

Yep! It’s the stressed syllable in apologist

ohhhhhhhh

thats so cool  

I also just love the name Polly

and Paulina

Just now, KelsierApologist said:

There is not enough time in the world for that

especially depending on the amount of Bee Movie references 

[Aeternum]

1 minute ago, TwinStorm said:

this one particularly seems sus, automatically assuming Ajahs aren't willing to band around sitters, which seems like the mentality of most Ajahs in the actual game

I'm not sure I follow your point here - what about this do you find elim indicative?

[TwinStorm He/Him]

1 minute ago, Aeternum said:

I'm not sure I follow your point here - what about this do you find elim indicative?

in my (albeit limited) experience, its a very e!mentality to assume villagers don't trust each other, but my experience finds the opposite, players love to find 2 or 3 people who they trust completely, which seems even more likely to occur when forcibly grouped together in docs

[Aeternum]

11 minutes ago, TwinStorm said:

in my (albeit limited) experience, its a very e!mentality to assume villagers don't trust each other, but my experience finds the opposite, players love to find 2 or 3 people who they trust completely, which seems even more likely to occur when forcibly grouped together in docs

I can't help but read this as a perspective slip lol. Townies tend to be paranoid. Very paranoid. Especially in a doc - you've essentially got a difference check (e/v) in your Ajah a lot of the time since there are likely 4-5 elims, and there are 6 teams of 3, insert statistics or something here. It is very natural to be paranoid of your Ajah buddies lol (I'm currently concerned about mine, because I lean town on one but do not on the other, and now have to consider if this is a world where there are three town in an Ajah together, or if the one I'm not townleaning is potentially likely an elim because I find the other one towny).

Townies do like finding people to trust. It is not naturally going to happen with their Ajah buddies imo, and (for me at least) there is likely more paranoid over Ajah friends than over other people in the game.

Now, the reason why this is a bit of a concerning line of thought to me is because elims tend to overassume how townread a slot is, and tend to bleed TMI when they believe someone is very towny. Townies are paranoid because they do not have TMI and they don't have all the answers. Elims have TMI and know if someone is town or not.

Edited March 23, 2025 by Aeternum
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[TwinStorm He/Him]

4 minutes ago, Aeternum said:

I can't help but read this as a perspective slip lol. Townies tend to be paranoid. Very paranoid. Especially in a doc - you've essentially got a difference check (e/v) in your Ajah a lot of the time since there are likely 4-5 elims, and there are 6 teams of 3, insert statistics or something here. It is very natural to be paranoid of your Ajah buddies lol (I'm currently concerned about mine, because I lean town on one but do not on the other, and now have to consider if this is a world where there are three town in an Ajah together, or if the one I'm not townleaning is potentially likely an elim because I find the other one towny).

Townies do like finding people to trust. It is not naturally going to happen with their Ajah buddies imo, and (for me at least) there is likely more paranoid over Ajah friends than over other people in the game.

Now, the reason why this is a bit of a concerning line of thought to me is because elims tend to overassume how townread a slot is, and tend to bleed TMI when they believe someone is very towny. Townies are paranoid because they do not have TMI and they don't have all the answers. Elims have TMI and know if someone is town or not.

hmmm, that's very interesting

I tend to trust my doc-mates, having observed both they're behavior in and out of doc, I truly think they're village.

Based on comments people abt their Ajahs, I see both sides of the spectrum occurring. Some trust their ajahs, some don't.

[Terrisman]

Ok getting back to the sitters the way my vote went was I didn’t really want it but didn’t trust the two I was with so I said I would allow it to get to random decision. One of the people in my ajah didn’t really have much to say and the other said he’d rather vote for me than let it go random because then there is nothing to get an alignment read off of. So I let myself get voted because I was still suspicious of him

[OoklaApologist She/her]

46 minutes ago, TwinStorm said:

I tend to trust my doc-mates, having observed both they're behavior in and out of doc, I truly think they're village.

Based on comments people abt their Ajahs, I see both sides of the spectrum occurring. Some trust their ajahs, some don't.

Twinstorm, stop trusting me. I don’t trust you and it’s making me feel bad

Analysis post time. 

I’m going to hedge my bets on this, I am as of now not capable of awesome big-brain reads, but I’ll try my hand at some.

The Wandering Wizard - Evelyn Rosemary

Null read right now. He’s just having fun in the thread. V-read, because I love Princess Bride references.

TwinStorm - Melian

My Ajah-mate. I don’t have any great insight into his posts in our doc. Mostly games and bee movie discussion. Gut read as V, but nothing to back it up.

Ashbringer

Originator of my partner-claiming idea. Slight v-read for now

Kasimir - Kamil Lovric

Slight e read on you. Kas, I feel your suspicion on TUF’s ajah-mates not declining to elect him based on knowledge that new players wouldn’t have (and I didn’t have before this) is a little bit wolfy 

ThatOneWorldhopper - Alkarii Tay'TerTüne

Asking your questions in the shard seems v. Not a new insight , I know.

Mark IV

Also shares my One Opinion of the cycle. Pretty null though

Teldris Anuar - Tesan Alruddin

I really don’t know about you. Slight v, as I expect active elims

STINK - Rasmuht

How did you sleep?

xxGaea - Altea O’Canavan, aka Nameless Whisper

Hi Gaea! You seem to be a devout worshipper of RNGsus. You’re also luckier than me, so I’m going to let you do what you will on that

I don’t have anyone leaning really e right now, but I do want to put in a bit of a vote, so Kasimir

[xxGaea They/Them, Fae/Faer]

25 minutes ago, KelsierApologist said:

xxGaea - Altea O’Canavan, aka Nameless Whisper

Hi Gaea! You seem to be a devout worshipper of RNGsus. You’re also luckier than me, so I’m going to let you do what you will on that

LOL what can I say--RNGsus either loves me or hates me, doesn't really seem to be an inbetween when it comes to my probability.

[Ashbringer he/him]

… I don’t like a D1 Kas exe. Even if this game is one with limited trust. I trust my docmates, as far as I can throw them, and I can throw them much further than some others.

Polly and TwinStorm, are you docmates?