Mental health club!

[Through The Living Glass She/They]

19 minutes ago, Bird Furious said:

*hides so can’t force feed

i Dont want more food

i had fluffy

. . . you ate a dog?

[Bird Furious she/her/un/important]

17 minutes ago, Through The Living Glass said:

. . . you ate a dog?

no

 German dish made with egg 

[Through The Living Glass She/They]

7 minutes ago, Bird Furious said:

no

 German dish made with egg 

oooo yum :3

What else is in it?

[Mags she/they]

2 hours ago, Through The Living Glass said:

ummmmmm yep okay not talking about it-

:):):):):):):):):):):):):):):)

T-T the smile is so bright . . . . it's blinding .. . 

2 hours ago, Bird Furious said:

Is not healthy but I donrlycare

Haly. Haly that's not good.

[Through The Living Glass She/They]

4 minutes ago, Mag said:

T-T the smile is so bright . . . . it's blinding .. . 

Haly. Haly that's not good.

I debated this :):):)

for months :):):):):)

[Mags she/they]

28 minutes ago, Through The Living Glass said:

I debated this :):):)

for months :):):):):)

your smile is perfect, don't listen to me 

oh you mean the ai thing?

[Through The Living Glass She/They]

Just now, Mag said:

your smile is perfect, don't listen to me 

oh you mean the ai thing?

yes :):):):):):):)

[Mags she/they]

Just now, Through The Living Glass said:

yes :):):):):):):)

oh okay :0 :0 :0 :0 :0

[Through The Living Glass She/They]

2 minutes ago, Mag said:

oh okay :0 :0 :0 :0 :0

:):):):):):) yes

:3

[Throw TheLiving Silverware he/him/il/lui]

4 hours ago, Mag said:

I really need like a fairy godmother or a sorcerer or a demi-god or something to observe me and go "whoa this girl failure is miserable" and then turn me into a tree like they used to back in the day y'know. I think I would make a really good tree.

*hugs*

I rather hope for you the fairy is more like, say, the one in Cinderella. Or Wizard of Oz.

The one who makes people see their (inner) beauty and helps them doing stuff they'd never have thought possible

3 hours ago, Mag said:

lolll

*cough*

Generative AI is unethical because:

1-It's extremely bad for the environment due to it's excessive power grid usage

2-It violates copyright laws, and steals the work of thousands of artists, writers, and musicians.

3-It replaces human workers and experts in the workforce who deserve to be hired and payed for their work.

4-It reduces peoples critical thinking skills as they rely on it more than their own brain

5-Generative AI is a glorified word predictor, and often comes up with misinformation or 'hallucinations' of stuff that it has just flat out made up.

6-AI pulls from sources online (which is stealing, and) that means it gets stuff from all the joke posts, false information, and other random crap that's out there. It will give information from a Harvard site and from Reddit simultaneously.

7-The models I'm aware of don't site sources, allowing companies to avoid the question of intellectual property theft, and making it much harder for consumers to double check it's answers.

I'm not against AI as a whole, if someone can come up with an ethical way to use it, but I haven't seen that yet so I continue to distance myself from it. I try to respect people who use it in small ways, or have to use it for work/school, even though I disagree with them. I don't think getting super angry at people who use it because they think it's harmless is a solution, instead I think we should do our best to inform them and move on if they refuse to listen.

Thanks for coming to my Tedtalk

yess queeeeeen 

Preach! Preach!

 

28 minutes ago, Through The Living Glass said:

yes :):):):):):):)

That is indeed a beautiful smile

[Through The Living Glass She/They]

9 minutes ago, Just A Silvereye said:

*hugs*

I rather hope for you the fairy is more like, say, the one in Cinderella. Or Wizard of Oz.

The one who makes people see their (inner) beauty and helps them doing stuff they'd never have thought possible

Preach! Preach!

 

That is indeed a beautiful smile

awwwwwwwwww :):):) thanks

[#1 Taln Fan he/him]

3 hours ago, Hawks said:

Like trying to pass my math clas

Please do not use AI for math help, especially at your level  Algebra is like the most fundamental math class that everything builds on, you need to understand it! (Really ya'll shouldn't use AI on any of your school stuff, but especially stuff like math that builds on itself) 

[Through The Living Glass She/They]

1 minute ago, #1 Taln Fan said:

Please do not use AI for math help, especially at your level  Algebra is like the most fundamental math class that everything builds on, you need to understand it! (Really ya'll shouldn't use AI on any of your school stuff, but especially stuff like math that builds on itself) 

preach

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

5 hours ago, Mag said:

I really need like a fairy godmother or a sorcerer or a demi-god or something to observe me and go "whoa this girl failure is miserable" and then turn me into a tree like they used to back in the day y'know. I think I would make a really good tree.

*hugs*

I am not a sorcerer or a demi-god.

I am most definitely not a fairy godmother.

But I know you're awesome.

Honestly, I have fantasies like this all the time. Not the getting turned into a tree part, but I do imagine an omnipotent being or something coming down and just telling everyone how hurt and how strong I am, however weird that sounds.

5 hours ago, Hawks said:

OI HERE IS YOUR DAILY STRENGTH 

EVERYONE GO LISTEN TO GET STRENGTH 

IF YOU SEE THIS YOUR NOW REQUIRED TO LISTEN TO THIS SONG ASAP

 

 

*laughs* *happy hugs*

*hugs*

That

song

is

AWESOME

While we're recommending Citizen Soldier songs, I officially nominate "Still Breathing"

5 hours ago, Mag said:

MISERABLE PARTY 

AI 

Ooh

Umm

I had to debate AI in an MUN conference

So I have a LOT of research and info on that

This might be a little controversial, but I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with the concept of generative AI. At the end of the day, it's just a tool. The ethical and environmental problems come in its implementation. Generative AI doesn't have to not give credit to the people behind its success; it's the people who create it that make it so. AI art isn't inherently wrong, nor is it not real art. But that doesn't mean it should be compared to human creations.

4 hours ago, Hawks said:

Yess yes YES

YES SPEECH

I only use ai for emergencies. Like trying to pass my math clas........ ahem. Or to answer random questions I have. 

That and character ai...

We dont talk about that last one ok? Ok. 

ok...

30 minutes ago, #1 Taln Fan said:

Please do not use AI for math help, especially at your level  Algebra is like the most fundamental math class that everything builds on, you need to understand it! (Really ya'll shouldn't use AI on any of your school stuff, but especially stuff like math that builds on itself) 

100% agree with this

Honestly, I think it says something about our society that school has become less about learning and more about passing. Always passing, higher and higher. The only thing that matters.

[Keke They/he]

35 minutes ago, #1 Taln Fan said:

Please do not use AI for math help, especially at your level  Algebra is like the most fundamental math class that everything builds on, you need to understand it! (Really ya'll shouldn't use AI on any of your school stuff, but especially stuff like math that builds on itself) 

I only use it in emergencies when I dont know anything about the topic and dont have time to do it. Otherwise I do it on my own. 

But i am to stupid to do it on my own.

4 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

*hugs*

I am not a sorcerer or a demi-god.

I am most definitely not a fairy godmother.

But I know you're awesome.

Honestly, I have fantasies like this all the time. Not the getting turned into a tree part, but I do imagine an omnipotent being or something coming down and just telling everyone how hurt and how strong I am, however weird that sounds.

*hugs*

That

song

is

AWESOME

While we're recommending Citizen Soldier songs, I officially nominate "Still Breathing"

Ooh

Umm

I had to debate AI in an MUN conference

So I have a LOT of research and info on that

This might be a little controversial, but I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with the concept of generative AI. At the end of the day, it's just a tool. The ethical and environmental problems come in its implementation. Generative AI doesn't have to not give credit to the people behind its success; it's the people who create it that make it so. AI art isn't inherently wrong, nor is it not real art. But that doesn't mean it should be compared to human creations.

ok...

100% agree with this

Honestly, I think it says something about our society that school has become less about learning and more about passing. Always passing, higher and higher. The only thing that matters.

 Bro if I even try to do it alone im going to fail the class. AND I CANNOT FAIL THE CLASS.

[#1 Taln Fan he/him]

6 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Honestly, I think it says something about our society that school has become less about learning and more about passing. Always passing, higher and higher. The only thing that matters.

Yep, exactly. No point if you don't learn. That's the real point of school, and you'll just be more and more screwed as you get up into higher levels of math. And the ACT and any other standardized test will have math sections that are 80% algebra. And any remotely advanced Chem class will require a strong grasp of basic algebra

1 minute ago, Hawks said:

But i am to stupid to do it on my own.

6 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Then ask for help! Whether that means getting a tutor (probably the better option), or whatever you have to do. You can also ask here on the Shard for help, there's a lot of people who are good at mathing. Even if it's a bit far into the semester for you to fully catch up on understanding every concept, I'd recommend doing whatever you can, and doing some review in the summer so you really understand it before you get to whatever your math class is next year. 

 

[Keke They/he]

4 minutes ago, #1 Taln Fan said:

Yep, exactly. No point if you don't learn. That's the real point of school, and you'll just be more and more screwed as you get up into higher levels of math. And the ACT and any other standardized test will have math sections that are 80% algebra. And any remotely advanced Chem class will require a strong grasp of basic algebra

Then ask for help! Whether that means getting a tutor (probably the better option), or whatever you have to do. You can also ask here on the Shard for help, there's a lot of people who are good at mathing. Even if it's a bit far into the semester for you to fully catch up on understanding every concept, I'd recommend doing whatever you can, and doing some review in the summer so you really understand it before you get to whatever your math class is next year. 

 

I dont wanna bug anyone bc the times of which I can actually get on a call and get taught are at night. And I cant learn by reading it so the option would be to do a vc. For context my practice ends at 6 o'clock. I eat dinner. Then that leaves it to be at like 630 to 7. Ain't no one wanting to teach math that late at night

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

7 minutes ago, Hawks said:

I dont wanna bug anyone bc the times of which I can actually get on a call and get taught are at night. And I cant learn by reading it so the option would be to do a vc. For context my practice ends at 6 o'clock. I eat dinner. Then that leaves it to be at like 630 to 7. Ain't no one wanting to teach math that late at night

…

what are you learning in math?

[#1 Taln Fan he/him]

6 minutes ago, Hawks said:

I dont wanna bug anyone bc the times of which I can actually get on a call and get taught are at night. And I cant learn by reading it so the option would be to do a vc. For context my practice ends at 6 o'clock. I eat dinner. Then that leaves it to be at like 630 to 7. Ain't no one wanting to teach math that late at night

Well teenagers are notorious night owls, I'm sure there are tutors (whether college or HS) who could meet in the evening. And Sharders tend to be up late too, from my experience. But maybe ask your dad and see if he can help find something? Ain't nothing wrong with getting a tutor, I've done that myself and it's very useful

[Keke They/he]

7 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

…

what are you learning in math?

Quadratics or something like that

4 minutes ago, #1 Taln Fan said:

Well teenagers are notorious night owls, I'm sure there are tutors (whether college or HS) who could meet in the evening. And Sharders tend to be up late too, from my experience. But maybe ask your dad and see if he can help find something? Ain't nothing wrong with getting a tutor, I've done that myself and it's very useful

I'll ask someone i have on discord. 

My dad doesnt teach wel.... never doing that again. 

[#1 Taln Fan he/him]

2 minutes ago, Hawks said:

My dad doesnt teach wel.... never doing that again. 

I don't mean asking him to teach, just asking him about getting a tutor. Usually it's been many years since our parents have done algebra, so they ain't always the best teachers lol. But often there are students who have done it a lot more recently (or currently use it in their more advanced class) who can teach it a lot better

[Keke They/he]

4 minutes ago, #1 Taln Fan said:

I don't mean asking him to teach, just asking him about getting a tutor. Usually it's been many years since our parents have done algebra, so they ain't always the best teachers lol. But often there are students who have done it a lot more recently (or currently use it in their more advanced class) who can teach it a lot better

Ooh. Makes more sense.uhm. I'll see if I know anyone who could help. 

[Mags she/they]

16 hours ago, Hoid Slayer said:

This might be a little controversial, but I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with the concept of generative AI. At the end of the day, it's just a tool. The ethical and environmental problems come in its implementation.

You're right, there's nothing inherently evil about it, hence why I said I'd be interested if someone came up with a way to do it ethically. Like a weapon, it's harmless in the hands of someone who won't use it to harm others. Unfortunately, it's directly catered to people who can and will use it unethically, or people who are ignorant of the damage it does. In the context of how it fits into our current world, it has massive issues that shouldn't be ignored.

I think the large number of problems with it will make realistically 'fixing' it incredibly difficult. We could solve the intellectual property theft by only training it on copyright free works, but it would still be terrible for the environment. We could have it powered by green energies sources, but a greedy company might still use it to replace workers who deserve jobs. I could go on. My point is, yes in a vacuum there's nothing wrong with it. But we're not in a vacuum.

16 hours ago, Hoid Slayer said:

AI art isn't inherently wrong, nor is it not real art. But that doesn't mean it should be compared to human creations.

That first sentence is kinda confusing me, but I have to disagree with your ai art point. What is your definition of art? I think it's widely agreed upon that art is human expression. Ai generation just creates patterns of pixels that copy stuff it's scraped from online sites. That's not a human expressing themself, that's an algorithm.  And I think comparison with human works is inevitable. The computer is training itself on human art to mimic it, of course we're going to compare the two. Image generation is marketed as something that will directly replace artists.

Sorry, I'm passionate about this loll 

Edited May 6, 2025 by Mag

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

24 minutes ago, Mag said:

You're right, there's nothing inherently evil about it, hence why I said I'd be interested if someone came up with a way to do it ethically. Like a weapon, it's harmless in the hands of someone who won't use it to harm others. Unfortunately, it's directly catered to people who can and will use it unethically, or people who are ignorant of the damage it does. In the context of how it fits into our current world, it has massive issues that shouldn't be ignored.

I think the large number of problems with it will make realistically 'fixing' it incredibly difficult. We could solve the intellectual property theft by only training it on copyright free works, but it would still be terrible for the environment. We could have it powered by green energies sources, but a greedy company might still use it to replace workers who deserve jobs. I could go on. My point is, yes in a vacuum there's nothing wrong with it. But we're not in a vacuum.

That first sentence is kinda confusing me, but I have to disagree with your ai art point. What is your definition of art? I think it's widely agreed upon that art is human expression. Ai generation just creates patterns of pixels that copy stuff it's scraped from online sites. That's a human expressing themself, that's an algorithm.  And I think comparison with human works is inevitable. The computer is training itself on human art to mimic it, of course we're going to compare the two. Image generation is marketed as something that will directly replace artists.

Sorry, I'm passionate about this loll 

I was thinking of art as simply content that is created to be visually pleasing or evoke a message. Although of course, that definition is really vague.

While AI art can be manipulated by a human hand, and is thus then a form of human expression, it is not of the same… category as hand drawn art.

Comparison is alright, and yes, even inevitable, but my point is that these differences should be kept in mind.

No problem

[Bird Furious she/her/un/important]

6 hours ago, Through The Living Glass said:

oooo yum :3

What else is in it?

uhhhhhh idek

5 hours ago, Mag said:

T-T the smile is so bright . . . . it's blinding .. . 

Haly. Haly that's not good.

no it's not  

3 hours ago, #1 Taln Fan said:

Please do not use AI for math help, especially at your level  Algebra is like the most fundamental math class that everything builds on, you need to understand it! (Really ya'll shouldn't use AI on any of your school stuff, but especially stuff like math that builds on itself) 

3 hours ago, Through The Living Glass said:

preach

double preach

3 hours ago, Hoid Slayer said:

*hugs*

I am not a sorcerer or a demi-god.

I am most definitely not a fairy godmother.

But I know you're awesome.

Honestly, I have fantasies like this all the time. Not the getting turned into a tree part, but I do imagine an omnipotent being or something coming down and just telling everyone how hurt and how strong I am, however weird that sounds.

*hugs*

That

song

is

AWESOME

While we're recommending Citizen Soldier songs, I officially nominate "Still Breathing"

Ooh

Umm

I had to debate AI in an MUN conference

So I have a LOT of research and info on that

This might be a little controversial, but I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with the concept of generative AI. At the end of the day, it's just a tool. The ethical and environmental problems come in its implementation. Generative AI doesn't have to not give credit to the people behind its success; it's the people who create it that make it so. AI art isn't inherently wrong, nor is it not real art. But that doesn't mean it should be compared to human creations.

ok...

100% agree with this

Honestly, I think it says something about our society that school has become less about learning and more about passing. Always passing, higher and higher. The only thing that matters.

 

1 hour ago, Mag said:

You're right, there's nothing inherently evil about it, hence why I said I'd be interested if someone came up with a way to do it ethically. Like a weapon, it's harmless in the hands of someone who won't use it to harm others. Unfortunately, it's directly catered to people who can and will use it unethically, or people who are ignorant of the damage it does. In the context of how it fits into our current world, it has massive issues that shouldn't be ignored.

I think the large number of problems with it will make realistically 'fixing' it incredibly difficult. We could solve the intellectual property theft by only training it on copyright free works, but it would still be terrible for the environment. We could have it powered by green energies sources, but a greedy company might still use it to replace workers who deserve jobs. I could go on. My point is, yes in a vacuum there's nothing wrong with it. But we're not in a vacuum.

That first sentence is kinda confusing me, but I have to disagree with your ai art point. What is your definition of art? I think it's widely agreed upon that art is human expression. Ai generation just creates patterns of pixels that copy stuff it's scraped from online sites. That's a human expressing themself, that's an algorithm.  And I think comparison with human works is inevitable. The computer is training itself on human art to mimic it, of course we're going to compare the two. Image generation is marketed as something that will directly replace artists.

Sorry, I'm passionate about this loll 

 

46 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

I was thinking of art as simply content that is created to be visually pleasing or evoke a message. Although of course, that definition is really vague.

While AI art can be manipulated by a human hand, and is thus then a form of human expression, it is not of the same… category as hand drawn art.

Comparison is alright, and yes, even inevitable, but my point is that these differences should be kept in mind.

No problem

My biggest problem with AI is honestly the problem of giving credit. Training it on the works of people who never said that was okay is incredibly unethical, especially since there's very little recourse for the artists whose art is used to train. 

And then of course anybody who tries to pass of AI "art" as their own. 

Though I will also say--- I hate that artistic jobs could be stolen by AI. I hate that. 

Edited May 6, 2025 by Bird Furious