Windborn_bolder Posted December 18, 2024 Posted December 18, 2024 I believe the making of the bands requires a fullborn. I thing spook got Feruchemy by bonding kelsier. He maded the bands to keep all of the powers when kelsier got a body. This all so explains how we got kelsier in a spike to Spike himself into a body. I think kel got a body by putting a Mistwraith, kelsier’s bones, and the shard spike made from spen kelsier. If this has been discussed elsewhere I am unaware
Lord Ruler Sylphrena He/Him Posted December 18, 2024 Posted December 18, 2024 1 hour ago, Windborn_bolder said: I believe the making of the bands requires a fullborn. I thing spook got Feruchemy by bonding kelsier. He maded the bands to keep all of the powers when kelsier got a body. This all so explains how we got kelsier in a spike to Spike himself into a body. I think kel got a body by putting a Mistwraith, kelsier’s bones, and the shard spike made from spen kelsier. If this has been discussed elsewhere I am unaware I don't think Spook got the feruchemy by bonding Kelsier as Kelsier is not a Feruchemist. I also don't think that Spook made the bands as they are said to be created by Kelsier and are a Southern Scadrian Artifact. Also you refer to Spook bonding Kelsier and refer to Kelsier as a Spren. Kelsier is a Cognitive shadow these are things are very different and you cannot bond a Cognitive shadow the same way you can a Spren. I do agree that Kelsier was put into a mistwraith. When it comes to the making of the bands I don't think they require a fullborn as that it would take around 32 spikes to grant every power which is more then a person can handle. They were probably made by all the Southern Scadrains donating their powers and forming a super metal mind that they could use for emergencies. Also Kelsier has lost his allomancy so they could not use his powers to help fill the bands.
Windborn_bolder Posted December 18, 2024 Author Posted December 18, 2024 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Lord Ruler Sylphrena said: They were probably made by all the Southern Scadrains donating their powers and forming a super metal mind that they could use for emergencies Allik said to wax that 4 power ones don’t exist so how would 32 power ones (the talk is close to the end of bands of morning 21) Edited December 18, 2024 by Windborn_bolder
Trusk'our he/him Posted December 18, 2024 Posted December 18, 2024 1 hour ago, Lord Ruler Sylphrena said: Also you refer to Spook bonding Kelsier and refer to Kelsier as a Spren. Kelsier is a Cognitive shadow these are things are very different and you cannot bond a Cognitive shadow the same way you can a Spren. It seems possible to bond Cognitive Shadows as you would a Spren. Spoiler https://wob.coppermind.net/events/93-odysseycon-2016/#e3239 Blightsong Could Kelsier theoretically bond with someone on Roshar? Brandon Sanderson Yes. 2 hours ago, Windborn_bolder said: I thing spook got Feruchemy by bonding kelsier. I'm curious as to your reasoning in this. A bond between Kelsier and Spook to grant Feruchemy. Kelsier was a Mistborn, but never bore Feruchemy, at least not that we've seen on screen. Even if such a bond would grant Spook access to his Investiture, I don't see how this would work. Personally, I think it's most likely the Bands were created through the use of the leftover Inquisitor spikes, with either Spook or a follower of Kelsier bearing them and their own Investiture to mesh all the powers into the Bands. We know Kelsier was involved somehow, despite his current inability to access his Allomancy. Spoiler https://wob.coppermind.net/events/314-salt-lake-city-signing/#e8921 Questioner So I've always wondered, the Bands of Mourning, the actual spearhead that Wax uses. Was that made by the Lord Ruler or the Sovereign, or-- Brandon Sanderson No. It was not made by the Lord Ruler. The Sovereign was involved. I think he probably used his Connection to Spook to give him Sliver-obtained knowledge to push the construction of the Bands. There's probably a lot more to it, like Kelsier involving Khriss perhaps, but as of yet we don't know for certain. 2
Windborn_bolder Posted December 18, 2024 Author Posted December 18, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, Trusk'our said: I'm curious as to your reasoning in this. A bond between Kelsier and Spook to grant Feruchemy I should’ve said it granted both feruchemy and Allomancy like how spren grants two powers but spook as a mistborn more allomancy would not do much for him. But I only think kelsier could do this to someone. He has a strong Connection with. Edited December 18, 2024 by Windborn_bolder
alder24 Posted December 19, 2024 Posted December 19, 2024 19 hours ago, Windborn_bolder said: I believe the making of the bands requires a fullborn. I thing spook got Feruchemy by bonding kelsier. He maded the bands to keep all of the powers when kelsier got a body. This all so explains how we got kelsier in a spike to Spike himself into a body. I think kel got a body by putting a Mistwraith, kelsier’s bones, and the shard spike made from spen kelsier. If this has been discussed elsewhere I am unaware That's not possible because Kelsier is not a Feruchemist - his Spirit Web doesn't contain Feruchemy. Spren grants Surges to Radiants because they are living Surges, those Surges are coded inside their Spirit Web and the Nahel Bond allows them to share it with their knights. Theoretically Kelsier can bond like a spren (but it would require unlikely sets of events) but he won't be able to give Feruchemy, at most Allomancy (just like Syl can't give Division because it's not a part of her Spirit Web, Gravitation and Adhesion is). Spook already was a full Mistborn so this wouldn't make any difference. Moreover, we know that Rashek was the first and last Fullborn and Sazed is very scared of another one like that - he wouldn't have allowed Spook to become a Fullborn. Kelsier's Spirit Web is most definitely stampled with that spike to a Mistwraith who ate his bones, but that spike is not made out of Lerasium - which would be a case if Kelsier somehow was able to manifest a Shardspike. He's a Cognitive Shadow infused with Preservation's investiture and that would manifest as Lerasium, just like spren create an alloy of Tanavastium and Koravellium because they are made out of Honor and Cultivation's investiture. Spoiler Thadamin Are spren able to manifest Surges like the humans they are bonded to? Syl is able to stick things together are other types able to do other things or is the sticking things together something else? Brandon Sanderson The Spren are living Surges, in a way. There are some "higher" spren which have more ability than others to touch certain Surges. Honor, for example, is not a force of nature--but a force of thought. What is attributed to it relates more to the abstract. And that didn't really answer you, did it? Well, hopefully it's enough. Phantine Is them being living Surges the same as how seons are living Aons? Brandon Sanderson Similar. /r/books AMA 2015 (July 17, 2015) Spoiler rxience (paraphrased) Would a single spike be sufficient to staple a Cognitive Shadow to a mistwraith? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Yes, that could happen. rxience (paraphrased) Did that happen in the past? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) That's a RAFO, I'm afraid. Who are you thinking about? rxience (paraphrased) Kelsier of course! Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Well, he is somehow in the Physical Realm. And he does look like himself, doesn't he? Berlin signing (May 14, 2019) Spoiler Questioner So I just finished Secret History about an hour ago. Brandon Sanderson Okay. Questioner And I just have a simple yes or no question? Is Kelsier's spike made of lerasium? Brandon Sanderson No... Good question. Calamity release party (Feb. 16, 2016) Spoiler Alpharho The metal of Shardblades. Cultivationspren versus honorspren, for example. Are they different metals? Brandon Sanderson No, but good question. Alpharho Are all orders the same alloy, essentially? Brandon Sanderson Yes. There's a little asterisk on there, but not in the way you're asking... You could call those all the same alloy. Because the mixture to different spren is different, I think that you could argue that each one is its own alloy. Alpharho So, different proportions of tanavastium? Brandon Sanderson Yes, but it doesn't quite work that way with these magics, right? I'm going to say that's up to the individual cosmerologist who is in the world, the arcanist, defining it. You would be able to find enough differences to legitimately call them different alloys if you wanted to. Alpharho Would you say different ratios of the same two metals? Brandon Sanderson Yes. They are not going to have a third one in them, if that's what you're asking. But it doesn't quite work that way. Like, if you were going to take brass, you could measure the exact percentage. In this case, it is a thing; it's not like you could divide it up and split them apart, because they are a thing. And that thing would be called one thing. Alpharho But you won't say what that thing is called? Brandon Sanderson No, I won't say what that thing is called. But I think you and the 17th Sharders and folks that are dividing them would prefer to call them ten different things, and I think their nomenclature would be relevant. Skyward Denver signing (Nov. 15, 2018) 18 hours ago, Lord Ruler Sylphrena said: Kelsier is a Cognitive shadow these are things are very different and you cannot bond a Cognitive shadow the same way you can a Spren Actually, you can. Spoiler Blightsong Could Kelsier theoretically bond with someone on Roshar? Brandon Sanderson Yes. OdysseyCon 2016 (April 8, 2016) Spoiler WeiryWriter Can a person who dies but somehow hasn't passed Beyond the Three Realms (a la Kelsier) serve in place of a spren for Radiant purposes? Brandon Sanderson This is theoretically possible, but it would require an unusual sequence of events. WeiryWriter We know that the Stormfather is a Cognitive Shadow and is also acting as a spren for Dalinar but is he able to do that because the "unusual sequence of events" took place or is there something else going on specific to the nature of the Stormfather? Brandon Sanderson RAFO. Carluun If Kelsier became a "spren" for a Radiant, would he grant Surgebinding or Allomancy? Brandon Sanderson RAFO. Worldbuilders AMA (Dec. 3, 2015) 18 hours ago, Windborn_bolder said: Allik said to wax that 4 power ones don’t exist so how would 32 power ones (the talk is close to the end of bands of morning 21) We don't know, but you just need to make a medallion with 16 Feruchemical powers and normally store all Allomantic powers in a Nicrosilmind. The Bands are probably a bit different than medallions and it's possible that the nicrosil portion that stores all Feruchemical powers can run out, unlike in medallions where it acts like a Coppermind. It's possible that they are just a nicrosil medallion, granting only F-nicrosil and the rest of powers are stored in a Nicrosilmind like a normal Feruchemist would be able to store them (nicrosil in medallions works differently than the one used by Feruchemists). Spoiler Pagerunner When you tap the nicrosil portion of a medallion, will it run out over time? Or is it like a coppermind, where something discrete is taken, used, and returned? Brandon Sanderson Good question! Like a coppermind. General Signed Books 2018 (Oct. 15, 2018) Spoiler Calderis Does the nicrosil portion of the medallions function identitically to how a Soulbearer Ferring would use Nicrosil? Brandon Sanderson Not exactly. The medallion is a little more restrictive, for one thing. Skyward Pre-Release AMA (Oct. 31, 2018) Spoiler Raddatatta In Era 1, Sazed says the only thing you can Feruchemically store while sleeping is wakefulness, but in Era 2 they have the sky ships that require everyone to be storing weight to fly and they don't land while people sleep. Was Sazed just wrong, or is that a difference between normal Feruchemy and using the unsealed metalminds? Brandon Sanderson Unsealed metalminds, I am moving toward complete—you probably already guessed this—mechanical uses of Investiture, and this indeed is a step toward that. And so we are stepping toward having a little machine that gives you powers. That's what the world wants to try to find. And this is—this being mechanical—we'll just say that the medallions and the things that they're building have more of a life-force, more of an Identity of their own than a traditional metalmind does, even though they're unkeyed and all of this stuff. YouTube Spoiler Stream 5 (Dec. 2, 2022) 1
Windborn_bolder Posted December 19, 2024 Author Posted December 19, 2024 (edited) 16 hours ago, alder24 said: Moreover, we know that Rashek was the first and last Fullborn and Sazed is very scared of another one like that - he wouldn't have allowed Spook to become a Fullborn How do we know that Rashek was the only one. I listen too the audio books so I do not have the exact quote but allik said if you had all the powers you would be a great god indeed as powerfull as the sovereign which implies the sovereign was fullborn or the sovereign was two individuals a mistborn and a Full Feruchemist Edited December 20, 2024 by Windborn_bolder
JustQuestin2004 he/him Posted December 20, 2024 Posted December 20, 2024 14 hours ago, Windborn_bolder said: How do we know that Rashek was the only one. I listen too the audio books so I do not have the exact quote but allik said if you had all the powers you would be a great god indeed as powerfull as the sovereign which implies the sovereign was fullborn or the sovereign was two individuals a mistborn and a Full Feruchemist The Sovereign was Kelsier, who had no powers at all due to him being a Cognitive Shadow and not fully alive anymore. But he was working closely with the last known Mistborn, Spook, and they were experimenting with Inquisitor Spikes, some of which held Feruchemical powers. Although they wouldn't have had any spikes that had F-Nicrosil, and all the current Feruchemists were killed by Ruin, or in Sazed's Ascended to Godhood. There would have been Feruchemist children born from the recessive genes in the remaining Terris, but the Bands of Mourning were, allegedly, created within 10 or so years of the Catacendre, not enough time for any Feruchemist children to grow up. Did Kelsier and Spook conscript a Full Feruchemist kid, or a bunch of toddler Ferrings, into their research? Because they would have needed F-Nicrosil to make the Bands and Medallions in the first place. Heck, how did they even get the Nicrosil needed to make all these Medallions in the first place? Nicrosil and the other Spiritual metals like Aluminum were very rare, and with society being rebuilt from the ground up, it would have been very difficult to acquire it. Man, I hope this all gets explained in Era 3 because now I have even more questions than before. 2
Recommended Posts