Can anyone use any surges now?

[Justawanderingspren]

So since Honor bound the surges to specific spren and orders of knight radiant and Heralds and ect, and has renounced his oaths does that mean anyone can use the surges?

[alder24]

2 minutes ago, Justawanderingspren said:

So since Honor bound the surges to specific spren and orders of knight radiant and Heralds and ect, and has renounced his oaths does that mean anyone can use the surges?

No, everything seems to work like before. You need to bond a spren, who's a living manifestation of Surges, to have access to Surgebinding. The Knights Radiants were established and bound by Ishar, not Honor, so this is not affected by Dalinar renunciation of all Honor's Oaths. It was said by the end that only Radiants in the Tower can use Surges because only they can access light (Towerlight). Radiants all across Roshar can't do it because Stormlight is gone (but they are still bonded to their spren, they have powers just can't fuel them).

[CtrlAltDepressed]

1 hour ago, alder24 said:

Radiants all across Roshar can't do it because Stormlight is gone

What do you think of the possibility of navani separating stormlight from either warlight or towerlight using her rhythm experiments from ROW? 

[alder24]

11 minutes ago, CtrlAltDepressed said:

What do you think of the possibility of navani separating stormlight from either warlight or towerlight using her rhythm experiments from ROW? 

I think it might work.

[+robardin he/him]

2 hours ago, alder24 said:

No, everything seems to work like before. You need to bond a spren, who's a living manifestation of Surges, to have access to Surgebinding. The Knights Radiants were established and bound by Ishar, not Honor, so this is not affected by Dalinar renunciation of all Honor's Oaths. It was said by the end that only Radiants in the Tower can use Surges because only they can access light (Towerlight). Radiants all across Roshar can't do it because Stormlight is gone (but they are still bonded to their spren, they have powers just can't fuel them).

Right. Which means Lift is going to be really useful if she ever gets out of Urithiru, as someone who can produce her own Investiture by metabolizing food into Lifelight.

The listener Willshapers apparently can power their Surgebinding as well as to raise crops with Warlight (obtained with that midnight "request for blessing" which did not count as accepting him as their god), as Retribution had told Venli and the others that "for now, the listeners were allowed his Light to fuel their powers, should they wish it".

We don't know if those infused gems leak as much as Stormlight infused spheres used to do, or if they could/would trade them to the Windrunners in Azimir (which is pretty far away). I would assume if Willshapers can use them for Surgebinding, they would be able to as well (it's not like Venli is the only one who can use Warlight, due to the Voidspren still in in gemheart being why she could Surgebind with Voidlight earlier).

And we've seen in TSM that it's possible for a Radiant to "convert" Investiture to power their Surgebinding and healing, though the technique may have to be discovered (and likely discovered by the spren, rather than the human).

 

[Returned he/him]

On 12/14/2024 at 12:17 PM, robardin said:

And we've seen in TSM that it's possible for a Radiant to "convert" Investiture to power their Surgebinding and healing, though the technique may have to be discovered (and likely discovered by the spren, rather than the human).

I think this is the key that will come up in the back five Stormlight novels. Thaidakar won't give up on the portable Investiture idea, even if Stormlight isn't the way to do it now. I'm also curious about how the Unoathed armors work, which seems relevant.

And access to the spiritual realm is always how people in the Cosmere access magic anyways, so realmatic shenanigans to access it will still be appealing (though probably no more Dalinar-style perpendicularities). It's an interesting solution to power inflation on Roshar.