Wind and Truth Chapters 25 and 26 are out

[Njvodin]

https://reactormag.com/read-wind-and-truth-by-brandon-sanderson-chapters-25-and-26/

 

 

 

Hoo boy Shallan is in it deep now

I can't believe she went so long fooling Iyatil.

Also, does Iyatil have dragonsteel? is that what the "silvery horn or claw from some great beast" is? How did she even get it?

Also also, its Iyatil's stuff, not Mraize's. Interesting. i'm not sure why it's interesting yet.

uh, how did Mraize even get anti-Stormlight? I find it hard to believe he yoinked it, unless Rabionel arranged for some to be sent to him too

I'm also glad we found out Felt and Ala, because that's a bit of a betrayal. I thought Felt was a good guy
I wonder if that means Shallan will be held captive or something, because there's no way we just get that information scot-free

How do the Ghostbloods have so many Seons? I feel like whenever we see the Ghostbloods, they're always with Seons. The Lost Metal, Shallan possibly when she was a kid, Ala in RoW, and now too (though i suppose Mraize probably contacted Shallan through this Seon too)

I really wanna learn more about Iyatil's plans, and now all the rest of the involvement with Southern Scadrial. sooo many hidden details to try and work through

Interesting that Dalinar and Navani are both gonna be traversing the SR together. I wonder if that means they both take up Honor, at least for a bit? imagine if they took it up together ooh that would be cool

I'm a little worried at how Mraize also knows that Dalinar is gonna go off gallivanting in the SR, has Hoid really been feeding them information? Surely not, why would he work with Kelsier? but at the same time, he did mention with fondness at how Kelsier became a Sliver. Also again, he failed to mention that the Lord Ruler also Ascended and then withdrew from the Shard. 

Sja-anat seems to definitely be making her stance as the neutral third party, but also seems willing for people to join her, with Iyatil and Mraize at the least both getting spren. I wonder which spren they have, and if they advance their Ideals weirdly (they probably do).

Maybe I should stop reading the pre-release chapters before the book itself comes out, I feel guilty...

nah

Edited October 28, 2024 by Njvodin

[logicless.bt]

1 hour ago, Njvodin said:

How do the Ghostbloods have so many Seons? I feel like whenever we see the Ghostbloods, they're always with Seons. The Lost Metal, Shallan possibly when she was a kid, Ala in RoW, and now too (though i suppose Mraize probably contacted Shallan through this Seon too)

Between the Ire Preservation-Connection machine, Scadrians using Dor as their investiture fuel, Shai Forging herself, and seons being used as communication, we see ghostbloods use a lot more Elantris magic than we ever saw in Elantris itself!

[Namle84]

1 hour ago, Njvodin said:

at the same time, he did mention with fondness at how Kelsier became a Sliver. Also again, he failed to mention that the Lord Ruler also Ascended and then withdrew from the Shard. 

I… don’t think this is correct.  The Lord Ruler did not ascend and then withdraw, he ascended and *used the power* at the Well of Ascention.  Kelsier’s cognitive shadow did ascend as preservation before passing the Shard to Vin, but that can’t be what Hoid was talking about since that incident worked out well.
 

What Hoid is referring to is Vin taking the power at the Well of Ascension and then releasing it… a selfless act that nevertheless turned out very badly 

[Slayd_07]

1 hour ago, Namle84 said:

What Hoid is referring to is Vin taking the power at the Well of Ascension and then releasing it… a selfless act that nevertheless turned out very badly 

Yep, this is definetly what Hoid was referring to. I wish Hoid had been a bit clearer though, I've seen a LOT of people misinterpreting that line. Vin Ascended to Preservation at the Well of Ascension, then released that power. 

[Njvodin]

11 hours ago, Namle84 said:

What Hoid is referring to is Vin taking the power at the Well of Ascension and then releasing it… a selfless act that nevertheless turned out very badly 

That is a good point, I believed it was to do with Kelsier because he was a Cognitive Shadow, thus the "wasn't a full Ascension". But re-reading the line, it does make more sense for it to be Vin.

"It proved to be the wrong choice."

makes more sense to what happened, as opposed to Kelsier giving up the power for Vin to take Ruin down, because that would be the right choice

[AquaRegia he/him]

Totally agree that Hoid is describing the events at the end of Well of Ascension, when Vin takes the power of Preservation, but chooses to NOT use it, releasing it instead and freeing Ruin from his prison.  When Kelsier held the power, 1) he was no longer human, and 2) it rejected him, not the other way around.  When Rashek Ascended, he used the power... but Leras was still alive at that time, thus not technically a "full" Ascension.  In fact, I think neither Rashek nor Vin in WoA had the option of fully Ascending to Preservation and becoming the Shard, as in both cases, Leras still lived.  Perhaps at the end of Hero of Ages... but she chose to use the power to thwart Ruin, ultimately sacrificing herself to kill Ati as well, which is arguably MORE selfless than her previous choice.

My question is - how does Hoid know this so intimately?  He speaks as if he was there, in person, witnessing the events at the end of HoA:

Spoiler

Wit grew distant, a faint smile on his lips. “Once. It wasn’t a full Ascension, but a mortal did give up the power once. It proved to be the wrong choice, but it was the most selfless thing I believe I’ve ever witnessed. So yes, Dalinar, it is possible. But not easy.”

We do know (from MB:SH) that he arrived on Scadrial during the events of WoA, and that Kelsier's Shadow warns Vin away from a meeting with him, but I don't recall if he was mentioned any other times during that story.  I get that he can read Harmony's Words of Founding and would know what happened... but he really seems to be implying he WATCHED it happen.  Do we have any idea where he was and how he might have inside knowledge about what went down?

On 10/28/2024 at 11:26 AM, Njvodin said:

I'm a little worried at how Mraize also knows that Dalinar is gonna go off gallivanting in the SR, has Hoid really been feeding them information?

I think it's pretty clear that Sja-Anat is the one who has been giving Mraize and Iyatil inside "intel" on Dalinar's plans.

[Njvodin]

7 hours ago, AquaRegia said:

but I don't recall if he was mentioned any other times during that story.

yup, near the end of the story Kelsier saw him again, tried to interact with him, but couldn't, as Hoid was in the Physical Realm, not the Cognitive Realm.

[JustQuestin2004 he/him]

On 10/28/2024 at 11:26 PM, Njvodin said:

I really wanna learn more about Iyatil's plans, and now all the rest of the involvement with Southern Scadrial. sooo many hidden details to try and work through

It's not really the Southern Scadrians, it's the Worldhopping descendants of Southern Scadrians. Note that fact that Iyatil refers to Scadrial as 'Kelsier's home' but not her own home. 

I find it interesting that Iyatil believes that BAM can provide some way to 'Control the Shards', and that not only does she have her own plan, but others in her group have their own plans as well. Makes me think that Iyatil wants to pull off what the Ire tried and Kelsier succeeded at doing, by forcibly Connecting herself to a Shard to take it up, like Kel did with Preservation. Bypassing the need to be in line with its Intent.