Namle84

This only works if he took on his own share at the same time as the other 8. But that is not the case… the death rattle doesn’t say “the burdens of eight become mine, on top of the one that I already carry, such that I now carry the burdens of 9,” which would be an accurate description of Ishar’s situation

I think this would work if the language were “the burdens of 9 are mine” or “I carry the burdens of 9,” but “the burdens of 9 become mine” means that all 9 burdens came upon him at a particular moment… which does not work for Ishar

I’m fairly certain that both of these (#2 especially) apply in the physical realm only. In shadesmar, all true spren are human-sized and cannot change their form

I… don’t think this is correct. The Lord Ruler did not ascend and then withdraw, he ascended and *used the power* at the Well of Ascention. Kelsier’s cognitive shadow did ascend as preservation before passing the Shard to Vin, but that can’t be what Hoid was talking about since that incident worked out well. What Hoid is referring to is Vin taking the power at the Well of Ascension and then releasing it… a selfless act that nevertheless turned out very badly

A few thoughts: - I haven’t seen anyone connect the Night (apparently an ancient spren of Adonalsium like the Wind)to the Night of Sorrows, but I wonder if there is a connection here. - I wonder if the Stormfather’s shame is connected to the “betrayal of spren” in the listener songs, which seems to have something to do with how the ancient singers switched sides to Odium. And it’s never been clear who betrayed who…