Aon Tia she/her Posted October 3, 2024 Posted October 3, 2024 I know we all have pondered upon this, every now and then! I know I have. But recently, as we move further in to the Stormlight series, it seems like Wit has been making a lot of mistakes lately. 1) His mistake with the contest terms. I know that it was not the most obvious loophole but like Fen said Dalinar could have insisted on freezing of the boundaries from the moment of the contest being set. 2) He told Shallan that she could trust Seon and that it is safe to use. 3) Atleast he finally figured out that Rayse is no more and someone else has taken the shard! May be it is just an attempt to show that he is not infallible and omniscient as we think him to be. Make him more realistic and human so to say. But what if, Wit just can not be trusted! What if some of these mistakes are just some kind of long con that he is pulling on the Rosharan Coalition! He has said multiple times by now to Stormlight characters namely Dalinar and Shallan, that they should not trust him. He would gladly watch this world burn, if it furthers his larger goals! just thought I will put this out there. Please share, what do you think? 6
GudThymes he/him Posted October 3, 2024 Posted October 3, 2024 I posted something very similar in the mega thread for the recent ch. previews. I think it is an easy trap that I and likely others fall into, believing that Hoid wants exactly what our protagonists want. We know Hoid wants to do something about Rayse because of his grudge and thinks Odium to be the worst of the shards. But we truly don't have any idea what exactly his goal is. The copper mind page on Hoid supposes that he wants to "defeat Rayse" but the letters to Frost it references don't explicitly state that. Just that he is concerned with Rayse and his actions. What we've seen Hoid do consistently is acquire investiture from every planet he visits. A free Odium would presumably make that more difficult. But Hoid might be making these "mistakes" in order to further his own goals. They're only mistakes because they damage our protagonists. My belief is that Hoid wants something very similar to the goals of the coalition but distinctly different enough that he is willing to sabotage them slightly in order to keep things in line with what he wants.
Ninth of the Night Posted October 3, 2024 Posted October 3, 2024 We can say with confidence now that Hoid's plan wasn't solely to defeat Rayse, otherwise he would have been delighted there was a new Vessel. He seems even more worried now. I always figured his goal on Roshar was to keep Odium chained. Even if that means one planet has to suffer for eternity, is that really a problem to Hoid? It's an imperfect solution, but one he would accept if there was no other alternative. On the other hand, I do believe he genuinely cares about people. If Hoid can save Roshar he likely will put in the effort to do so, as he seems to be doing so far. But if worst comes to worst he will watch the world burn presumably to prevent Odium from escaping. As he still wants to keep the grander cosmere safe from the Shard's wrath. That only covers his short term goals for Roshar though, I can't even begin to guess as to what else he has planned for the future (other than possibly reforming Adonalsium). Regardless I can't believe he's actually up to no good, positive actions and kindness of his caliber can't easily be faked. Granted if anyone could be that excellent of an actor it would be Hoid. 3
+Oltux72 he/him Posted October 3, 2024 Posted October 3, 2024 Hoid really has no interest in fighting the Ghostbloods aiding humans against Singers (he danced with the latter) cooperating with Cultivation I think he genuinely likes Shallan, but a confrontation with the Ghostbloods while also fighting Odium cannot be a good idea in his view. 1
Subvisual Haze Posted October 3, 2024 Posted October 3, 2024 He sure talks a big game about how potent his unchained power is and how willing he is to sacrifice to achieve his goals but so far he hasn't done a whole lot. I'm hoping he will do a dramatic heel-turn and reveal his hidden plans-within-plans to achieve sneaky goals because so far the more time we spend around him the more mundane he appears. 1
The Stick Posted October 3, 2024 Posted October 3, 2024 Wouldn't it be in Hoid's best interest to utterly destroy the Stormfather, and this apparent remnant of Honor's power. After that, wouldn't there not be any piece of Honor's power large enough to negotiate Odium's release.
JustQuestin2004 he/him Posted October 3, 2024 Posted October 3, 2024 33 minutes ago, The Stick said: Wouldn't it be in Hoid's best interest to utterly destroy the Stormfather, and this apparent remnant of Honor's power. After that, wouldn't there not be any piece of Honor's power large enough to negotiate Odium's release. Not necessarily, because then the decision is release Odium from Honor's bindings would fall to whoever holds the next largest part of Honor's power, which might be the Sibling. Plus if the Stormfather dies, then the Highstorm will probably die with him, which is really bad for literally everything on Roshar.
Ashbringer he/him Posted October 4, 2024 Posted October 4, 2024 "You must not trust yourself with me. If I have to watch this world crumble and burn to get what I need, I will do so. With tears, yes, but I would let it happen." —Hoid (as Wit) to Dalinar Seems slightly relevant... 2
Aon Tia she/her Posted October 4, 2024 Author Posted October 4, 2024 12 hours ago, GudThymes said: What we've seen Hoid do consistently is acquire investiture from every planet he visits. Yes, and to add to this point, we must note that he had been hanging around Elhokar for years, and we know that for some of those years, Elhokar had attracted Cripticspren: Design! Hoid was around and I am 100% sure that he can sense potential knights radiants as he did with Shallan, Kaladin, Dalinar and Renarin. So, he did not help Elhokar at all with being a radiant. His goals were clear in that he wanted to bond a crypticspren which he did when El died in Kholinar. 9 hours ago, Ninth of the Night said: I always figured his goal on Roshar was to keep Odium chained. Even if that means one planet has to suffer for eternity, is that really a problem to Hoid? It's an imperfect solution, but one he would accept if there was no other alternative. well thats true. In fact, to think about it, Tanavast being Honor, also it appears chose the 'honorable' thing to do and decided to let Odium come in and trapped him in the system, for the greater good of the larger Cosmere even if it made the life of Rosharans a living hell! I dont think any shard wants him free of Roshar! 6 hours ago, The Stick said: Wouldn't it be in Hoid's best interest to utterly destroy the Stormfather, and this apparent remnant of Honor's power. After that, wouldn't there not be any piece of Honor's power large enough to negotiate Odium's release. Rather I think that completely destroying Honor's power might make it easier for Odium to unchain himself. I feel that is Odium's goal. 3 hours ago, Ashbringer said: "You must not trust yourself with me. If I have to watch this world crumble and burn to get what I need, I will do so. With tears, yes, but I would let it happen." —Hoid (as Wit) to Dalinar Seems slightly relevant... And also, In Oathbringer when Wit meets Shallan in Kholinar, in the restaurant: Quote “Be wary of anyone who claims to be able to see the future, Shallan “ “Except you, of course. Didn’t you say you can see where you need to be?” “Be wary,” he repeated, “of anyone who claims to be able to see the future, Shallan.” I have always found these words very ominous! Especially, when our heroes are full steam going in the direction of blindly trusting Wit with very important world-changing decisions! 3
+Oltux72 he/him Posted October 5, 2024 Posted October 5, 2024 On 10/4/2024 at 12:47 AM, The Stick said: Wouldn't it be in Hoid's best interest to utterly destroy the Stormfather, and this apparent remnant of Honor's power. After that, wouldn't there not be any piece of Honor's power large enough to negotiate Odium's release. As far as we know in that case the decision may devolve to Cultivation or dssolve altogether, ao this is not an approach without risk.
Storyspren Posted October 5, 2024 Posted October 5, 2024 This isn't the real Hoid in that chapter, it's the Witfaker. Long live the Witfaker!! (I am pretending we haven't seen wit on Roshar at all but just an imposter. It's fun!) Oh and Stormfaker is real. Stormfather is also real but not really very nice. Oh and Shallon is really her mother. What happened was Shallon's mother, who was well advanced in Oaths to beyond even where Shallon is now, killed her daughter accidentally on purpose in unknown circumstances and then remade herself into her daughter because of course she would. Witfaker! Try it out it's fun!
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