MarcieIsForager She/They Posted October 2, 2024 Posted October 2, 2024 (edited) d So ive been looking at the Surgebinding chart way longer than i should and was bouncing around ideas for wind and truth and kinda wanted to write them down. So what kinda stuck out to me is the relationship lines between the orders which are beginning to look like three types of relationship: Shares a Surge: Windrunner/Skybreaker Skybreaker/Dustbringer Dustbringer/Edgedancer Edgedancer/Truthwatcher Truthwatcher/Lighweaver Lightweaver/Elsecaller Elsecaller/Willshaper Willshaper/Stoneward Stoneward/Bondsmith Bondsmith/Windrunner Those are the Obvious ones Every order has a relationship with the Order opposite them on the chart Windrunner/lightweaver Skybreaker/Elsecaller Dustbringer/Willshaper Edgedancer/Stoneward Truthwatcher/Bondsmith Im not actually fully sure on these ones, i was thinking there might be push and pull and internal/external dynamics going on here. And then theres the last ones Stoneward/Lightweavers Windrunners/Edgedancers These are the ones i really can parse: Whats kind of apperent is: Stone/Wind: Something about the Old Gods of Roshar Another idea is that capital L Light and capital E Edge might also be some highly relevant spren like stone and wind Tho tbh i wouldn't know what Edge would tho something to do with Rhythms is my best guess rn Spiritually Adjacent orders lightweavers & edgedancers to truthwatcher stonewards & windrunners to bondsmiths Shardic alignment Edgedancers and Windrunner are most diametrically shardicly aligned Lighweavers and Stoneward might also have a cultivation/Honor dynamic Stoneward(cultivationy) Lightweaver(suprisingly honor adjacent) Im honestly not sure at all anyone have some thoughts for that last group Edited October 2, 2024 by MarcieIsForager 5
Dofurion Posted October 2, 2024 Posted October 2, 2024 (edited) I posted a similar post a while back, you might be interested in checking it out. Regarding connections in particular, I have a couple of hypotheses, generally related to oaths. Parallel connections On 2/10/2024 at 9:11, MarcieIsForager said: Windrunner/Skybreaker Code: Internal/External Skybreaker/Dustbringer Trust: Internal/External Dustbringer/Edgedancer ?? Edgedancer/Truthwatcher Information: Micro/Macro Truthwatcher/Lighweaver Truth: Internal/External Lightweaver/Elsecaller Argumentation(?): Logical/Abstract Elsecaller/Willshaper Specialization (?): Personal/Social Willshaper/Stoneward Construction: Macro/Micro Stoneward/Bondsmith ?? Bondsmith/Windrunner Leadership: Spiritual/Physical Opposite connections On 2/10/2024 at 9:11, MarcieIsForager said: Windrunner/lightweaver In this case, I think their relationship is about who internally manifests the ideal of the Shard, in a more personal improvement sense. Skybreaker/Elsecaller Similar to the previous case, but instead of being internal it is external. Dustbringer/Willshaper I am not very clear about this axis, the connection I see is that both orders seem to go down the path of freedom and self-control. Edgedancer/Stoneward I have no idea, honestly Truthwatcher/Bondsmith This is actually the clearest one, the two orders have connections regarding spirituality. Vertical connections On 2/10/2024 at 9:11, MarcieIsForager said: Windrunners/Edgedancers Well, I think there is no need for an explanation here, Adhesion and Progression. The two arise from the Splinters associated with the Radiants. But I wouldn't know how to contextualize it in a philosophical argument. Stoneward/Lightweavers The most destructive radiants Leaving aside the previous joke, I'm with you on this one. I discussed it from another perspective in the post I posted at the beginning. On 2/10/2024 at 9:11, MarcieIsForager said: Lighweavers and Stoneward might also have a cultivation/Honor dynamic Stoneward(cultivationy) Lightweaver(suprisingly honor adjacent) Offtopic: @LewsTherinTelescope, I believe this thread is completely spoiler-free for the Archive 5 preview. So I think it would be okay to move it to the general Archive board. Edited October 4, 2024 by Dofurion 3
LewsTherinTelescope Posted October 4, 2024 Posted October 4, 2024 On 10/2/2024 at 5:22 PM, Dofurion said: Offtopic: @LewsTherinTelescope, I believe this thread is completely spoiler-free for the Archive 5 preview. So I think it would be okay to move it to the general Archive board. The mention of the Wind means this should probably stay. I'm also generally not going to move a thread out of the spoiler zone unless the original poster requests it.
Dofurion Posted October 6, 2024 Posted October 6, 2024 On 10/3/2024 at 8:56 PM, LewsTherinTelescope said: The mention of the Wind means this should probably stay. I'm also generally not going to move a thread out of the spoiler zone unless the original poster requests it. Sorry, when I read this I completely skipped the "Old" part of Old Gods. This is a topic that I find fascinating and I honestly thought that in the spoilers forum it wouldn't have the interactions it deserves since these are not topics that are being touched on in the previews.
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