bmcclure7 Posted October 1, 2024 Posted October 1, 2024 I’ve come up some more positive theory for how stormlight 5 could end. Dalinar it becomes honor Odium is shattered The next five books is trying out what to do with all the void spren that now infest roshar because of the shattering So how likely do you think this will happen? 1
Sedside she/her Posted October 2, 2024 Posted October 2, 2024 Cultivation comes to Dalinar and tells him Honor's power is searching for a new Vessel, and then Dalinar becomes Honor's Vessel. Isn't it too obvious? I thought it was possible before this chapter was published, but now I doubt it will happen. So it will either be someone else, or something else will happen to Honor's power. There is nothing I can say about the latter, as I'm not any good with Cosmere mechanics, so let's assume the former. The next choice after Dalinar would be Kaladin, but I doubt it too. First, it's too obvious again. Second, I don't think it fits his character arc in its current stage. He has too much of unfinished mundane work as a character to be ready to Ascend. I see a lot of space for his character growth in the back half, to me he is too good a character to be wasted like that, because it's not like Shards have a lot of page time and interactions with other characters, it seems (can be wrong, as I haven't read a lot of other Cosmere books yet). Kaladin is more likely to become a Cognitive Shadow with worldhopping potential for the future, in my opinion. Shallan doesn't meet the requirements. Adolin is Odium's Champion (unpopular tho, it's still my opinion). This leaves me with Szeth and Navani. Navani should leave the mortal world somehow because of the Death Rattle for Kaladin picking up Dalinar's title, her character arc feels quite finished too, so it's theoretically possible. But I think Szeth fits the role much better, and his arc will probably be finished by the end of WaT as well. So if we assume someone takes up Honor's Shard, my vote goes for Szeth 3
+Oltux72 he/him Posted October 2, 2024 Posted October 2, 2024 How do you explain The Last Metal this way? How is Odium shattered? Two Shards who knew what they were doing didn't manage that. Something must happen that makes it extremely dangerous to go there.
alder24 Posted October 2, 2024 Posted October 2, 2024 8 hours ago, Sedside said: Cultivation comes to Dalinar and tells him Honor's power is searching for a new Vessel, and then Dalinar becomes Honor's Vessel. Isn't it too obvious? I thought it was possible before this chapter was published, but now I doubt it will happen. So it will either be someone else, or something else will happen to Honor's power. There is nothing I can say about the latter, as I'm not any good with Cosmere mechanics, so let's assume the former. The next choice after Dalinar would be Kaladin, but I doubt it too. First, it's too obvious again. Second, I don't think it fits his character arc in its current stage. He has too much of unfinished mundane work as a character to be ready to Ascend. I see a lot of space for his character growth in the back half, to me he is too good a character to be wasted like that, because it's not like Shards have a lot of page time and interactions with other characters, it seems (can be wrong, as I haven't read a lot of other Cosmere books yet). Kaladin is more likely to become a Cognitive Shadow with worldhopping potential for the future, in my opinion. Shallan doesn't meet the requirements. Adolin is Odium's Champion (unpopular tho, it's still my opinion). This leaves me with Szeth and Navani. Navani should leave the mortal world somehow because of the Death Rattle for Kaladin picking up Dalinar's title, her character arc feels quite finished too, so it's theoretically possible. But I think Szeth fits the role much better, and his arc will probably be finished by the end of WaT as well. So if we assume someone takes up Honor's Shard, my vote goes for Szeth I agree, but I think nobody will fully Ascend to Honor, rather we might get another temporary Ascension, similar to the one from OB. There is also a possibility that Taravangian will Ascend and merge Honor with Odium. Full Ascension to Honor in WaT seems very likely, but right now is too predictable, so I am expecting some twist added to it, even if Dalinar Ascends I doubt everything would be great afterwards. 43 minutes ago, Oltux72 said: How do you explain The Last Metal this way? How is Odium shattered? Two Shards who knew what they were doing didn't manage that. Something must happen that makes it extremely dangerous to go there. Dangerous for Ghostbloods to go there. This could be explained by Shallan winning and hunting Ghostbloods, or Mraize going rogue and acting against Ghostbloods or some other explanation that doesn't involve Shards. 3
Sedside she/her Posted October 2, 2024 Posted October 2, 2024 23 minutes ago, alder24 said: I agree, but I think nobody will fully Ascend to Honor, rather we might get another temporary Ascension, similar to the one from OB. There is also a possibility that Taravangian will Ascend and merge Honor with Odium. Full Ascension to Honor in WaT seems very likely, but right now is too predictable, so I am expecting some twist added to it, even if Dalinar Ascends I doubt everything would be great afterwards. Yes, I agree with this. I believe there was also a WoB about a brand new Shard in SA5, so things will probably get even more complicated
JustQuestin2004 he/him Posted October 2, 2024 Posted October 2, 2024 A rather horrifying thought occured to me, what if Ishar wants to Ascend? What if he tries to use his unbound Bondsmith powers to try and Connect himself to this 'Core' of Honor's power. He already has the means to peer into the Spiritual Realm and he is far more experienced than Dalinar ever could be. Another idea, what if the reason Ishar is making Spren manifest their Shadesmar form in the Physical Realm as flesh and blood bodies is because he wants to do the same thing to himself, to give himself a flesh and blood body for one reason, so he can properly wield the power of Honor without being handicapped like a certain other Cognitive Shadow was. Only a being with ties to all three Realms can make full use of a Shard's power. Ishar is constantly claiming to be the Almighty, so what if the reason he's saying that is because he plans on literally becoming the Almighty? This might be the reason for why the 'Conest' in Shinovar is considered to be just as important, if not more so than the Contest of Urithiru in the part 1 Epigraphs. 3
alder24 Posted October 2, 2024 Posted October 2, 2024 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Sedside said: Yes, I agree with this. I believe there was also a WoB about a brand new Shard in SA5, so things will probably get even more complicated This new Shard is the last one of the original 16 whose name we don't know. The WoB simply states that we will learn it in WaT, not that they will be significantly involved in the plot, or appear personally on Roshar - just like we learned names of Mercy, Valor, Invention and Whimsy from RoW letters. The name of this Shard has been theorized for at least 5 years now, WoBs: Spoiler Paleo (paraphrased) Is Wisdom a Shard? If so, how bad does it want to survive? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) There is a Shard with a similar intent. The Shard has realized that survival might not be the most desirable/important. Footnote: Paleo later asked Brandon for clarification on this one because he couldn't quite remember the survival part when he wrote it down. Brandon stressed again what the Shard has realized. Stuttgart signing (May 17, 2019) Spoiler Paleo In May, in Germany, you told me that... or I asked whether Wisdom was a Shard, and you said it was or something like it, and that wisdom was close to an intent of a Shard, and you also told me that it has realized that survival isn't necessarily the most important thing for it. I wanted to ask whether it has realized that over time or was it from the get go? Brandon Sanderson Over time. Paleo Okay, so then naturally, my next question: Is it the survival Shard? Brandon Sanderson RAFO. Paleo And then somebody actually came up with another good probable name. Is Prudence close? Brandon Sanderson Prudence sounds an awful lot like a Shard name. That's some excellent theorizing there. Prague Signing (Oct. 26, 2019) Spoiler Paleo All right, regarding the 'Wisdom Shard' again. We have one quote where Hoid... I'll just cite it: "Some men, as they age, grow wiser. I am not one of those, for wisdom and I have always been at cross-purposes." Is he referring to that Shard there... or the Vessel? Brandon Sanderson *thumbs up, grins* ... Yes. Prague Signing (Oct. 26, 2019) Edit: Just now, JustQuestin2004 said: Another idea, what if the reason Ishar is making Spren manifest their Shadesmar form in the Physical Realm as flesh and blood bodies is because he wants to do the same thing to himself, to give himself a flesh and blood body for one reason, so he can properly wield the power of Honor without being handicapped like a certain other Cognitive Shadow was. Only a being with ties to all three Realms can make full use of a Shard's power. Ishar doesn't have this problem, he has a fully functional body which is his. He has a strong tie to the Physical Realm through his body (that's why capturing Jezrien in a gemstone ended up with his soul fading, because he lost that connection to his body and to PR). This certain someone was separated from his body by death, Heralds seem to recreate their bodies out of raw investiture (this is most likely Oathpact related). Edited October 2, 2024 by alder24 2
Truthless of Oklahoma Posted October 3, 2024 Posted October 3, 2024 (edited) Okay my theory is Adolin (while yes potentially Odium's Champion) bonds with the Nightwatcher, reviving all the deadeyes. Kaladin becomes Odium's Champion, with Syl becoming "corrupted". Dalinar eventually pulls a Sazed becoming Roshar's version of Harmony aka Unity! Edited October 3, 2024 by Truthless of Oklahoma
Master Silver Posted October 3, 2024 Posted October 3, 2024 On 10/2/2024 at 5:26 AM, alder24 said: I agree, but I think nobody will fully Ascend to Honor, rather we might get another temporary Ascension, similar to the one from OB. There is also a possibility that Taravangian will Ascend and merge Honor with Odium. Full Ascension to Honor in WaT seems very likely, but right now is too predictable, so I am expecting some twist added to it, even if Dalinar Ascends I doubt everything would be great afterwards. Dangerous for Ghostbloods to go there. This could be explained by Shallan winning and hunting Ghostbloods, or Mraize going rogue and acting against Ghostbloods or some other explanation that doesn't involve Shards. So this is a positive spin on that. Dalinar ascends to Honor. Realizes that Odium is Tarivangian. The two of them talk. Dalinar looks into the Cosmere and says Mr. T is right. They then agree to a plan to save them all. Taravangian will be the god of War and Dalinar will be his Avatar. So Dalinar lays down the Shard of Honor which Taravangian picks up. And then he promptly kills Cultivation which destroys Roshar. Kaladin who has become the champion of the old gods of Roshar leads the broken ones to establish a kingdom at peace to prepare for the final war after Taravangian and Dalinar have done their work. In a sense the good guys win, but it is terrifying for everyone that is not team Roshar lol
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