Lord Spirit he/him Posted August 7 Report Share Posted August 7 Raboniel is convinced that Stormlight and Voidlight can’t mix because they’re opposites. However, Navani proves her wrong by creating war-light. However, I’m curious what you would get if you tried to mix preservation's light and ruin’s light. I’m not sure Honor and Odium are opposite, but Preservation and Ruin have been stated many times to be completely opposing forces. It should be harder to mix them I’m guessing that you could mix without much trouble, but I have no idea what it would be called. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomslug Doomslug Doomslug Doomslug/Doomslug/Doompity/Doo Posted August 7 Report Share Posted August 7 Do Preservation and Ruin even have lights?? I always assumed light was like a Roshar-only thing, although I don't know. Maybe if you mixed lerasium and atium you'd get some super effect or something. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Spirit he/him Posted August 7 Author Report Share Posted August 7 8 minutes ago, Doomslug Doomslug Doomslug said: Do Preservation and Ruin even have lights?? I always assumed light was like a Roshar-only thing, although I don't know. Maybe if you mixed lerasium and atium you'd get some super effect or something. Every shard has a light, in theory. They also all have metals. However, Roshar is currently the only world with easy access to the light. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treamayne Posted August 7 Report Share Posted August 7 (edited) 4 hours ago, Doomslug Doomslug Doomslug said: Do Preservation and Ruin even have lights?? I always assumed light was like a Roshar-only thing, although I don't know. Maybe if you mixed lerasium and atium you'd get some super effect or something. 4 hours ago, Lord Spirit said: Every shard has a light, in theory. They also all have metals. However, Roshar is currently the only world with easy access to the light. You already saw them both. The Mists are Preservation's equivalent, and the black smoke outside the well was Ruin's Equivalent. In Era 2, there are actually two different Mists, one for each (the ruin mist is slightly darker). I'll update with WoBs when I have some time later tonight. Spoiler Quote Chaos Do all three Metallic Arts still exist after the events of the book? Are Allomancy and Hemalurgy slightly degenerated now that Ruin and Preservation are dead, or does Allomancy still draw upon Preservation's power (just held with Sazed now)? Brandon Sanderson Allomancy, Feruchemy, and Hemalurgy all work as they once did. However, now they are more directly affected by the presence or absence of the mists, which will slowly return to the world but not be of the extent they once were. (The mists are now an extent of Sazed's power, and where they roam, he is better able to influence things. There will also be two kinds of mists.) Note that in the future, Feruchemy powers will start to fracture and split, creating Feruchemical "Mistings." Yes, this means that in the future series, it will be possible for a person to have one Allomantic power and one Feruchemical power. It will create for some very interesting mixing of powers. Hero of Ages Q&A - Time Waster's Guide (Oct. 15, 2008) Quote Ch 14 Epigraph: Ruin's consciousness was trapped by the Well of Ascension, kept mostly impotent. That night, when we discovered the Well for the first time, we found something we didn't understand. A black smoke, clogging one of the rooms. Though we discussed it after the fact, we couldn't decide what that was. How could we possibly have known? The body of a god—or, rather, the power of a god, since the two are really the same thing. Ruin and Preservation inhabited power and energy in the same way a person inhabits flesh and blood. Quote Argent Since both the mists and Stormlight are very similar in many ways, are there gaseous, liquid, and solid states of Stormlight? Brandon Sanderson That's a RAFO, but you know that there is a gas and a liquid. Argent The gas is just the stuff in the storms, right? Questioner Isn’t there the lake? Brandon Sanderson The lake is liquid. So you know there’s two of the three already. So just sayin'... Shadows of Self Chicago signing (Oct. 12, 2015) Quote Team Teama Vin “sucked in the mists” with a deep breath, also the mist was “leaking” from her arms. Is that similar to Stormlight? Brandon Sanderson Yes it is. One hundred percent. In fact, you should notice that when Shardblades form they take a certain shape... substance. Adam Horne Oh jeez, yeah... Brandon Sanderson Did you never notice that? Adam Horne No, I did, but you know… you don't think about it. Brandon Sanderson Before they solidify, yeah. YouTube Spoiler Stream 2 (June 3, 2021) Quote Vegasdev The other lake in Alendi's bumps? Brandon Sanderson A manifestation of Ruin's gathered consciousness, much like the dark mists in book two. The lake was still around in Vin's era, but had been moved under ground. (Note that the Well is a very similar manifestation. You've also seen one other manifestation like this....) <Edited for length and relevance> Hero of Ages Q&A - Time Waster's Guide (Oct. 15, 2008) Quote Harmony's Mists on the Coppermind: The mist of Scadrial is the gaseous form of Harmony's Investiture. After Sazed picked up both Shards, becoming Harmony, more than one type of mist began appearing, and the mists no longer obscured the land every night. There are now two types of mists: a darker mist representing Ruin and a lighter mist representing Preservation.[25][26] Where there are mists, Harmony can more directly influence things.[27] The mists sent forth by Harmony are capable of powering both Allomancy and Feruchemy, and they no longer pull away from Hemalurgy.[28] 1 hour ago, RefusesToElaborate said: I think a mist infused gem may be within the realm of possibility. Yes. WOB: Spoiler OrangeJedi Can you capture Preservation’s mist in a sphere? Brandon Sanderson This is plausible. Orem Signing (March 16, 2019) Hope that helps Edited August 8 by Treamayne SPAG/References 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RefusesToElaborate Posted August 7 Report Share Posted August 7 2 hours ago, Lord Spirit said: Every shard has a light, in theory. They also all have metals. However, Roshar is currently the only world with easy access to the light. This is interesting but let's not overlook something. The lights of roshar are investiture in gas. Preservation already has gaseous investiture, the mist. I think a mist infused gem may be within the realm of possibility. However this begs the question, would it give off a light? There's also the danger of mixing the investiture of Ruin and Preservation. They want to separate. Harmonium is highly reactive, much like potassium, cesium or lithium. So reactive even the moisture secreted by your skin can cause a huge explosion. How dangerous could they be as a gas, forced into the same tiny, tiny object. And then we have to ask how many tiny tiny shards of gemstones are you willing to pick out of your hypodermis? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Spirit he/him Posted August 7 Author Report Share Posted August 7 1 minute ago, RefusesToElaborate said: This is interesting but let's not overlook something. The lights of roshar are investiture in gas. Preservation already has gaseous investiture, the mist. I think a mist infused gem may be within the realm of possibility. However this begs the question, would it give off a light? There's also the danger of mixing the investiture of Ruin and Preservation. They want to separate. Harmonium is highly reactive, much like potassium, cesium or lithium. So reactive even the moisture secreted by your skin can cause a huge explosion. How dangerous could they be as a gas, forced into the same tiny, tiny object. And then we have to ask how many tiny tiny shards of gemstones are you willing to pick out of your hypodermis? Harmonium is a metal made of Lerasium and Atium. I don’t think we’ve seen anyone mix preservation and ruins mists. Harmonium is dangerous enough on its own. What would happen if you mixed their mists and created anti-harmony mists? Seems very dangerous considering how explosive anti-stormlight was. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alder24 Posted August 8 Report Share Posted August 8 13 hours ago, Lord Spirit said: Harmonium is a metal made of Lerasium and Atium. I don’t think we’ve seen anyone mix preservation and ruins mists. Harmonium is dangerous enough on its own. What would happen if you mixed their mists and created anti-harmony mists? Seems very dangerous considering how explosive anti-stormlight was. No, Harmonium isn't a metal made out of Lerasium and Atium - it's not an alloy, it's a whole new element. Harmonium already is what you're looking for - a solid investiture which on the smallest scale is combining Ruin and Preservation's investiture, which don't want to be together and that's what makes it so reactive. Spoiler Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) He said ettmetal is chemically reactive, not nuclear. The longer answer makes it sound like Harmonium isn't a Lerasium/Atium alloy, but a whole new metal. He described it as "super-cesium," and that its volatility was based on electrons, not on protons or neutrons. "It is not unstable, it is reactive. So it's like a "super-cesium". It reacts so violently..." Footnote: Unspecified question by Pagerunner. Arcanum Unbounded Hoboken signing (Dec. 3, 2016) Spoiler Ironeyes So harmonium, we have a working theory that the reason it's so volatile is because some of the subatomic particles are associated with Ruin and some of them are [of?] Preservation. Is that true? Brandon Sanderson Yeah, that's basically what's going on is that it's creating a very unstable metal. Now, it is in the nature of the Cosmere not a compound but an element. But, you could call it a subatomic particle sure. It's very volatile because it is in nature spiritually in contrast with itself. And so though it is a single element rather than a compound, the spiritual nature is not happy as it is, and you can set up in the physical realm, through reactivity things that would just rip it apart and really your energy is not, your energy in that is actually pulling from the Spiritual realm, and so that's why it can be so much more explosive than even the chemistry would account for. Ironeyes So it's not that the subatomic particles are invested, it's that they have a spiritual identity which causes them to... Brandon Sanderson Yes. Ironeyes So then it's not creating an oxide because after the spiritual energy goes away from the explosion then it's a different metal, right? Brandon Sanderson Right, and... Ironeyes So you can't find harmonium oxide in the water afterwards. Brandon Sanderson Right right right right. Because it's not, it's, yeah. But you might be able to find something else, which is really relevant to the Cosmere. And to Scadrial. Ironeyes So the core elements, the core particles, having extra repulsion causes them to have a nuclear potential. Brandon Sanderson I would not call it nuclear because it's not the same exact thing. But there is a Cosmere equivalent. To - I mean, you could do nuclear power just the same in the Cosmere, but since we have a third kind of state of matter, right? Matter, energy, Investiture. You have a third axis that, you know, you can release energy from matter, you can release investiture from matter, and things like that. So it's similar, but following its own rules that I have a little more - that are controlled by me, right, that are built on this idea. So once you add *inaudible*, matter now can exist in this third state, you get all sorts of weird things, which one of the things that happens is, you can get an energy release in sort of the same way. A reaction, I'm not going to call it a nuclear reaction, but of the same vein. Boskone 54 (Feb. 19, 2017) Ruin and Preservation aren't opposite to each other in the anti-investiture sense - they won't annihilate each other's on contact. If you were to combine their Mists/lights, you would get something like a Warlight/Towerlight, but as reactive as Harmonium is (for the same reason). There won't be annihilation like with Stormlight and anti-Stormlight, but it would be chemically a very unstable element. Anti-Harmony mist reacting with Harmony's mist won't be any more dangerous than anti-Stormlight reacting with Stormlight. In both cases you convert 100% of investiture into pure energy, there is nothing more for you to squeeze out of Harmonium-gas than you can out of Stormlight. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wadders Posted August 15 Report Share Posted August 15 If you had a gemstone on a misty night and hit it with the right tone would it then fill with the relevant mist? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treamayne Posted August 15 Report Share Posted August 15 4 hours ago, Wadders said: If you had a gemstone on a misty night and hit it with the right tone would it then fill with the relevant mist? Your question was partially answered Earlier in this thread (see the WoB), but we do not know if a Tone would be the mechanism to do so. While Stormlight has Honor's Tone, Allomancy shows each metal with a separate tone and rhythm, with the Well's Rhythm being the Rhythm of Preservation. WoBs: Spoiler Quote MoriWillow Is that tone and rhythm stuff universal to the Shards and Investiture elsewhere? Brandon Sanderson The tones can be expanded to other Shards and Invested Arts around the cosmere. dIvorrap Are the Allomantic pulses a Seeker hears (like drum beats) related to the tones of Preservation, then? Brandon Sanderson Yes, they are. General Reddit 2020 (Nov. 22, 2020) Quote Menderbug Is the Well's pulsing a 'pure tone of Scadrial'? Brandon Sanderson Yup! Miscellaneous 2020 (Nov. 30, 2020) Hope that helps 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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