Titanium and Lithium Soulcasting

[Annatar he/him]

So there is nothing about it in the Coppermind but could/would titanium and lithium even be used in Soulcasting? Cause Emeralds can be soulcasted into food and certain metals can be soulcasted so what would happen

[Dofurion]

Sorry, I don't know if it's my translator but I don't understand how your question is worded.
If you ask if you can create Titanium and Lithium with Soulcasting, the answer is yes, an amethyst is necessary instead of an emerald.
If you ask if they can be used as material to be converted into something else, the answer is also yes, there should be no problem with the use of metals except, predictably, aluminum (and perhaps silver).
And if you ask if they can be used as a "key" to do soulcating, well there the answer is no, at least in its Rosharian aspect.

Edited March 13, 2024 by Dofurion

[Treamayne]

42 minutes ago, The Sunmancer said:

So there is nothing about it in the Coppermind but could/would titanium and lithium even be used in Soulcasting? Cause Emeralds can be soulcasted into food and certain metals can be soulcasted so what would happen

20 minutes ago, The Sunmancer said:

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42 minutes ago, The Sunmancer said:

nothing about it in the Coppermind but could/would titanium and lithium even be used in Soulcasting

I see three interpretations of your question, but am unsure which one you mean:

• If an object is made from those metals, it can be soulcast into anything else (just like any non-aluminum object - with the same considerations and limitations)
• If you mean making an object into thos metals, then you would need a Soulcaster attuned to the Kak essence (Metal) and using at least one Amythyst
• If you mean using them in Fabrial Cages, then Soulcasters do not use the same construct that trapped-spren fabrials do. 
  • In fabrials that do use metals to affect the gems and spren, these metals would likely have no affect because they are not one of the 17 known metals which affect investiture
  • 16 Scadrian Metals + Silver (not including God Metals)

Hope that helps

Edited March 13, 2024 by Treamayne
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[Annatar he/him]

Sorry my bad, What I more meant was if Titanium and Lithium were in the Archive would they prove to be of more effect in fabrials that other metals, I mean Lithium is used in modern day batterys so if people in the Archive trapped Spren within Lithium and Amythyst could it negate the use of stormlight all together? or maybe just straight up make a battery without the use of Spren?

Edited March 13, 2024 by The Sunmancer

[Dofurion]

36 minutes ago, The Sunmancer said:

Sorry my bad, What I more meant was if Titanium and Lithium were in the Archive would they prove to be of more effect in fabrials that other metals, I mean Lithium is used in modern day batterys so if people in the Archive trapped Spren within Lithium and Amythyst could it negate the use of stormlight all together? or maybe just straight up make a battery without the use of Spren?

Just out of curiosity, what books have you read from the cosmere apart from those from the Archive?

[Annatar he/him]

Most of the Mistborn but thats about it, i'm attempting to get more at the moment but most of my finances are going else where at the moment

Edited March 13, 2024 by The Sunmancer

[Dofurion]

1 hour ago, The Sunmancer said:

Most of the Mistborn but thats about it, i'm attempting to get more at the moment but most of my finances are going else where at the moment

Well, then you have to keep in mind that both titanium and lithium are shshshshshshs. Therefore they do not affect the operation of the fabrial more than any other metal would.

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allomantically inert metals

 

[Annatar he/him]

True 

[alder24]

2 hours ago, Monkey King said:

Sorry my bad, What I more meant was if Titanium and Lithium were in the Archive would they prove to be of more effect in fabrials that other metals, I mean Lithium is used in modern day batterys so if people in the Archive trapped Spren within Lithium and Amythyst could it negate the use of stormlight all together? or maybe just straight up make a battery without the use of Spren?

Yeah, only certain metals interact with investiture - it's because metals in Cosmere have a Spiritual component. Those metals are base metals like steel, iron, pewter, tin, brass, zinc, aluminum etc. titanium and lithium aren't on the list. Plus iirc lithium reacts violently with water and air, you don't want to use it in fabrials at all. 

Electricity won't power spren and fabrials, it's not investiture. They need Stormlight to function. 

But those metals are in the Stormlight Archive, all metals from our periodic table are in Cosmere, they are just undiscovered yet. 

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Quick question on aluminum. Why does it affect other forms of Investiture?

Brandon Sanderson

When I was building the cosmere, I just had to build certain themes into it, and metal was one of those. And the metals have kind of a Spiritual integrity, and Spiritual component, that if I can get into Dragonsteel explaining why, you'll get your kind of origins.

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And that's why, in Warbreaker, metals are different with Awakening, and stuff.

Brandon Sanderson

And even in Roshar, the cages that you're building for fabrials, once you start to figure out how those metals affect it, you'll be like, "Oh wait, that makes sense!" And these are just across the cosmere.

And if you want an in-world answer, it has to do with stuff in Dragonsteel. But really, the answer is, I was building this and I'm like, "I just want this to be a theme. So I'm just going to give this Spiritual component to metals." So it works in Mistborn, and it works all across everything.

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[Stormtide_Leviathan]

On 3/13/2024 at 11:50 AM, Dofurion said:

Well, then you have to keep in mind that both titanium and lithium are shshshshshshs. Therefore they do not affect the operation of the fabrial more than any other metal would.

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I'm not fully convinced of that tbh. Silver is also allomantically inert, but clearly has an effect on investiture. And while it's definitely possible that silver's just an oddity and it's the 16 allomantic metals + silver that have an effect, I don't think we can completely rule out that nonallomantic metals might still have unique investiture interactions.

 

Edited March 16, 2024 by Stormtide_Leviathan

[Argenti he/him]

On 3/15/2024 at 9:49 PM, Stormtide_Leviathan said:

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I'm not fully convinced of that tbh. Silver is also allomantically inert, but clearly has an effect on investiture. And while it's definitely possible that silver's just an oddity and it's the 16 allomantic metals + silver that have an effect, I don't think we can completely rule out that nonallomantic metals might still have unique investiture interactions.

 

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There are 16 metals that we know can be used in a Fabrial; honestly, I'm not convinced silver would be helpful for fabrials, it would mess with the spren, but I don't think it would make it a fabrial. Nonallomantic metals are still metals, so they can be pushed and pulled, blind some shards, and glow, but beyond that, there is absolutely no reason for the rest of the metals to do anything other than just doubt; it's about as fruitful as saying "what if I made some new aons, I wonder what they do!", it can be fun to imagine the possibilities, but it can't really be theorized about, since theirs no basis.

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Edited March 20, 2024 by Argenti