Ideas to ponder for Stormlight 2

[Bunyod he/him]

I would think that T would have been smart enough to have people watching outside the castle for Szeth to appear so that they could follow him if the parshendi ended up not giving the Oathstone back. I doubt anyone would be stupid enough to let an asset like Szeth disappear for 6 years when they could easily have set multiple people around the castle to trail Szeth (who would then lead to the person with the Oathstone).

Fact: Parshendi people value Honor in battle and killings

Possible action: Parshendi people were somehow tricked or misguided to hire Szeth and kill Gavilar

Possible reaction: Parshendi people did not want to continue to deal with Szeth and did not want the person who gave them Szeth to reclaim him and therefore threw away the oathstone while retreating.

From what I can figure, it's very very very improbable that Taravangian had anything to do with Szeth's part in the assassination. There's only a chance (I think the chance is very small) that he was part of the assassination at all. He more likely learned how the assassination went down later on.

1) Szeth is sold to a merchant 7 years ago in Shin Lands,

2) Merchant made a HUGE profit selling it to someone who knows the value of Shin assassins,

3) ?

4) Shin somehow ended up with Parshendi and kills Gavilar.

Logic states that the third point above should be filled with some very powerful man's actions. And why not if it is the King of Kharbranth?

Edited March 26, 2012 by Bunyod

[Voidus]

I seriously doubt that he would have then given over the oathstone to the parshendi if he had it originally. He would have just kept the Oathstone and told Szeth to do what the Parshendi told him.

[Bunyod he/him]

I seriously doubt that he would have then given over the oathstone to the parshendi if he had it originally. He would have just kept the Oathstone and told Szeth to do what the Parshendi told him.

You have a point. But, how did he end up knowing so much information about Szeth? And how did Parshendi end up with Szeth's oathstone? We need to fill the gap between Merchant owning Szeth and Parshendi owning Szeth. It is a huge and important gap

What if it was Hoid who gave an oathstone to Parshendi? Hoid definitely do not need Szeth's services and his oathstone. That's for sure. However, he may had to kill Gavilar if he found out some important thing about Gavilar's plans in using that black stone.

[Voidus]

No idea about how the Parshendi got Szeths oathstone, quite possibly they just bought him. As for Hoid giving him to the Parshendi, I think if Hoid needed Galivar dead he would be easily capable of doing it himself, he also doesn't seem likely to ally with the Parshendi

As for how Taravangian knew so much about Szeth, the obvious reason would be spies. He did have six years to find out about him after all. But there could of course be a different explanation.

[Bunyod he/him]

As for Hoid giving him to the Parshendi, I think if Hoid needed Galivar dead he would be easily capable of doing it himself, he also doesn't seem likely to ally with the Parshendi

Well, King of Kharbranth or Hoid or someone else manipulated Parshendi and achieved their goal. We don't know the goal under this agenda yet. Oh well, have to wait I guess.

[Sweetness she/her]

Why couldn't the Parshendi have been acting on their own?

True, we don't yet know what the motivation for breaking the treaty and killing Gavilar was (bad grammar). But that's not to say they had no reason to.

[name_here]

I don't think the Parshendi are sufficiently big suckers to get themselves drawn into a six-year war because someone else planted an assassin with them. I also don't think they're big enough suckers to give an assassination order on someone they just made a treaty with because some guy said so.

Also, Szeth's thoughts indicate that the assassination was done in traditional Parshendi style, with the all-white clothing and the incredibly overt nature of the attack to make sure the king knew he was coming.

[Voidus]

Also, Szeth's thoughts indicate that the assassination was done in traditional Parshendi style, with the all-white clothing and the incredibly overt nature of the attack to make sure the king knew he was coming.

To be fair, anyone who wanted people to think it was a Parshendi assassin would do that, but yeah it still seems quite unlikely that they could be manipulated so easily.

[Triasmus]

1) Szeth is sold to a merchant 7 years ago in Shin Lands,

2) Merchant made a HUGE profit selling it to someone who knows the value of Shin assassins,

3) ?

4) Shin somehow ended up with Parshendi and kills Gavilar.

Where did it say the merchant got a huge profit? All I remember is the merchant saying he wished he hadn't sold Szeth.

[Voidus]

You don't know what I got for him! and you gave him to me for practically nothing!

That's the closest I found, I don't know that that's enough to say that it was worth that much, considering he likely bought him for something virtually worthless pretty much anything is a profit. Also there is no reason to assume that whoever bought him knew anything about Shin assassins. Indeed I don't think that there ARE any other Shin assassins at the moment.

[Odium's_Shard]

It most likely, if this theory is correct (of which I am, unfortunately, in doubt) that it then went straight into the hands of Taravangian. After all, its more likely for a King to have enough money to sate the merchant, and desperate enough to instigate such a high value simply for speed of delivery/obtainment.

[Zas678 he/him]

About Hoid:

T.T.

5. Is Hoid a Herald, or a Shardholder, or something else entirely.

BRANDON SANDERSON (GOODREADS)

5. Hoid is something else entirely.

Source

[Bunyod he/him]

It most likely, if this theory is correct (of which I am, unfortunately, in doubt) that it then went straight into the hands of Taravangian. After all, its more likely for a King to have enough money to sate the merchant, and desperate enough to instigate such a high value simply for speed of delivery/obtainment.

Consider this. Taravangrial has spies in Shin with whom he has an instant contact. Spy informs King that a citizen of Shin was turned into Truthless who possesses surgebinding abilities. Immediately king's people contact the first merchant ship sailing to Shin with specific information: "Bring us that truthless" Merchant does as he was told and gets rewarded. Szeth will be turned over to Parshendi through intermediaries. And Gavilar dies.

About Hoid:

5. Hoid is something else entirely.

Sliver of 16 shards is indeed something else entirely.

[Voidus]

I don't see why Hoid needs to be a sliver of any Shard let alone 16, Vin was a sliver and there was barely any change to her (She was able to fully use the mists, that's it)

Consider this. Taravangrial has spies in Shin with whom he has an instant contact. Spy informs King that a citizen of Shin was turned into Truthless who possesses surgebinding abilities. Immediately king's people contact the first merchant ship sailing to Shin with specific information: "Bring us that truthless" Merchant does as he was told and gets rewarded. Szeth will be turned over to Parshendi through intermediaries. And Gavilar dies.

It's possible, but so are plenty of other options, I just don't think there's enough information to say that it is even probable

[Bunyod he/him]

I don't see why Hoid needs to be a sliver of any Shard let alone 16, Vin was a sliver and there was barely any change to her (She was able to fully use the mists, that's it)

It's possible, but so are plenty of other options, I just don't think there's enough information to say that it is even probable

1) So, what you mean is before Brandon Sanderson shows us Hoid's nature in one of his books, all our opinions on Hoid are worthless. Is that it? Correct me if I'm wrong.

It is just my personal opinion, my personal explanation of Hoid's powers and mystique that Hoid is a sliver of 16 shards. If you have another one please share.

2) Again, if you don't like my theory, please share your own.

I just have a hard time understanding the posts where a person states: "Nah I don't think it's not even probable" Here, we all share our understanding of Brandon's books. This way theories evolve. People start looking a bit differently to the implied facts and events in the books. What's wrong with that?

[Voidus]

1) So, what you mean is before Brandon Sanderson shows us Hoid's nature in one of his books, all our opinions on Hoid are worthless. Is that it? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Not at all, speculation that is quite well backed up is fine, but saying that something could be true just because it isn't directly contradicted is fairly futile, there are an infinite number of possibilities for what Hoid is it could be that he is actually a dragon that just shape-shifted into human form and that in the cosmere dragons have inherent world-hopping abilities but there's no reason to believe that's actually the case (Also I was talking then about your theory on Szeth, the Parshendi and Taravangian.)

2) Again, if you don't like my theory, please share your own.

I just have a hard time understanding the posts where a person states: "Nah I don't think it's not even probable" Here, we all share our understanding of Brandon's books. This way theories evolve. People start looking a bit differently to the implied facts and events in the books. What's wrong with that?

Nothing at all wrong with that, but you do need to have some kind of justification, we don't know that being a sliver gives you any extraordinary abilities. As for how Hoid world-hops, there are plenty of others who do it, we even know two of them (Demoux and Galladon I think they were) so there's no reason to believe that he gained this ability by being a sliver.

[hoser he/him]

yet again bunch of nothings and not at alls.

Perfect for someone named Voidus. Maybe we have a Voidbringer .

[Odium's_Shard]

yet again bunch of nothings and not at alls.

Unfortunately, this is the purpose of a RAFO.

There is no need to hit back at Voidus for not being able to supply information that we don't even have.

[Voidus]

Perfect for someone named Voidus. Maybe we have a Voidbringer .

Now why would you go thinking something like that, there's no reason to make that assumption.... (slowly begins to summon Shardblade)

[hoser he/him]

Now why would you go thinking something like that, there's no reason to make that assumption.... (slowly begins to summon Shardblade)

Spirit yeilds severing sword, Voidus sword-severs, yeilding spirit.

[Voidbringer]

Perfect for someone named Voidus. Maybe we have a Voidbringer .

I'm not the only one!

[Voidus]

I'm not the only one!

*whisper* Shh! You'll blow my cover!

*louder* All hail the Almighty! and such things

[Aradel he/him]

Spirit yeilds severing sword, Voidus sword-severs, yeilding spirit.

Nice. Did you pen that on the spot?

[hoser he/him]

Thanks. It was fun. I kind of multi-tasking mulled over it for about 15 minutes, then decided it might work. Being able to change the verb forms was key, but I might have cheated on the hyphenation. I wanted to go somewhere creative that built on what we were doing.

[Voidus]

I like that, mind if I put it in my sig. with a reference?