Mid-Range Game 67: 'Twas the Night Before SA5

[neil the beguiled]

1 hour ago, Ookla the Resolute said:

What's a dragon?

  think like a lizard but big ^^

1 hour ago, Ookla thePresentParticiple said:

“Personally, all of this is madness. SE…in real life? Was she really dead? This can’t end well…I don’t want to die!” Ravenclawjedi42, quite young, says without looking up from The Way of Kings. They plan to reread the entire series before the realease of Knights of Wind and Truth, to be quite certain to remember everything that had happened thus far in the series.

“And what of Archer claiming Serial Killer? I do not trust such a thing, as his announcement seemed like it had been recorded before we were all informed of our roles, like a large font size that I recognize as being pasted from another source, seeming like he was falsely claiming his role?

“Though, I cannot see his motive in doing so, which adds points to… him being evil. Perhaps not such a good thing, then. I’ll put my vote on him for now, as I don’t understand why Archer would falsely claim to be a Serial Killer.”

“True, it is better to keep Serial Killers alive than elims, but I personally am wary of any group that can kill me.

“Everyone can critique my reasoning here, it is perhaps not the best that it could have been and I am in a hurry to finish this chapter so I do not have much time.

“Neil, welcome to the game.” Ravenclawjedi42 goes back to reading their book.

  im ngl i was rlly confused for a moment bc i didnt realize archer from earlier was the same person who claimed SK b4 TvT. was gonna question why everyone was poking for this new guy who claimed and not the first one xD. fwiw i kiiinda think that a SK claim like that leans town though? this is a person whos comfortable enough to joke. plus i kinda dont buy that sk or mafia would say that just to put all the pressure on them. i wouldnt trust a pr claim from this slot tho

21 minutes ago, Ookla the Resolute said:

Want to stage an e/v interaction?

  e/v?

 

anyways also howdies to everybody else who said hai o/

 

[also i learned that quotes dont bite.... still kinda scary] 

[Aeoryi she/her]

Just now, neil the beguiled said:

  think like a lizard but big ^^

  im ngl i was rlly confused for a moment bc i didnt realize archer from earlier was the same person who claimed SK b4 TvT. was gonna question why everyone was poking for this new guy who claimed and not the first one xD. fwiw i kiiinda think that a SK claim like that leans town though? this is a person whos comfortable enough to joke. plus i kinda dont buy that sk or mafia would say that just to put all the pressure on them. i wouldnt trust a pr claim from this slot tho

  e/v?

 

anyways also howdies to everybody else who said hai o/

 

[also i learned that quotes dont bite.... still kinda scary] 

Eliminator (scum) and Villager (townie) interaction

[neil the beguiled]

  ahhh icic. so when you flip red i can hard town raven xD?

[The Wandering Wizard he/him]

1 minute ago, neil the beguiled said:

  think like a lizard but big ^^

  im ngl i was rlly confused for a moment bc i didnt realize archer from earlier was the same person who claimed SK b4 TvT. was gonna question why everyone was poking for this new guy who claimed and not the first one xD. fwiw i kiiinda think that a SK claim like that leans town though? this is a person whos comfortable enough to joke. plus i kinda dont buy that sk or mafia would say that just to put all the pressure on them. i wouldnt trust a pr claim from this slot tho

  e/v?

 

anyways also howdies to everybody else who said hai o/

 

[also i learned that quotes dont bite.... still kinda scary] 

Welcome uhm...let's see if I can remember my pokemon  uh sandile? 

Lemme make it a proper welcome Neil

[Aeoryi she/her]

Just now, neil the beguiled said:

  ahhh icic. so when you flip red i can hard town raven xD?

The neutral SK exists you can never be certain

[neil the beguiled]

4 minutes ago, Ookla the Raveness said:

Welcome uhm...let's see if I can remember my pokemon  uh sandile? 

Lemme make it a proper welcome Neil

  sandile!!!!! feeling very welcomed ^w^

3 minutes ago, Ookla the Resolute said:

The neutral SK exists you can never be certain

  i will write down  aeoryi/raven not e/e regardless, and become bamboozled when you flip SK then :3

ive not played with a sk in a while though, im kinda hoping that sk will end up getting taken care of regardless by the eliminators here. are they common here? how do most ppl revolve around SK knowledge?

[Aeoryi she/her]

11 minutes ago, neil the beguiled said:

  sandile!!!!! feeling very welcomed ^w^

  i will write down  aeoryi/raven not e/e regardless, and become bamboozled when you flip SK then :3

ive not played with a sk in a while though, im kinda hoping that sk will end up getting taken care of regardless by the eliminators here. are they common here? how do most ppl revolve around SK knowledge?

 

No. There hasn't been a serial killer role for ages. 

The current thoughts around sks are "if you get it gl"

EDIT: btw there are 3 people named "Raven" here:

1. (The person you are referring to) @Ookla the Raveness - Wiz/The Wandering Wizard

2. @Ookla of Ravens - TheRavenHasLanded- often just called Raven

3. @Ookla thePresentParticiple - Ravenclawjedi42- often called Raven as well

 

Edited December 12, 2023 by Ookla the Resolute

[The Wandering Wizard he/him]

5 minutes ago, neil the beguiled said:

  sandile!!!!! feeling very welcomed ^w^

  i will write down  aeoryi/raven not e/e regardless, and become bamboozled when you flip SK then :3

ive not played with a sk in a while though, im kinda hoping that sk will end up getting taken care of regardless by the eliminators here. are they common here? how do most ppl revolve around SK knowledge?

 

Krookodile!!!!

Anyways I only ever played with a hidden serial killer faction. Steel's LG...don't remember the number 

Lets see...hmmm it was ah! LG 87: Choose your own many war

Anyways I don't like serial killers

Dunno how I'd win if I was one

I know! I'd go inactive cuz it's like being evil :P

Just now, Ookla the Resolute said:

No. There hasn't been a serial killer role for ages. 

The current thoughts around sks are "if you get it gl"

Nightowl? Whoooo???? (Hehe sorry tis my weird way of saying Steel's LG had one)

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

2 hours ago, Ookla the Resolute said:

Aeoryi (Ookla the Resolute)

Okay, now that I got that out of my system

 

EDIT?

@Ookla the Destined, are PMs Open?

*sighs* I thought we were done with that?

2 hours ago, neil the beguiled said:

 Oh right, that's how y’all vote here? What's up with the self vote? Is it some sort of meme meow?

  edit: I'm slowly watching my post count go up, and it's so amusing to me. Sorry, I love hyperposting :D. This will only end horribly.

Aeoryi (Resolute) has a bit of a history of self-voting and semi-often dying for it. And yes, voting in red is the typical way that we vote. If you want to unvote, just put your original vote in Green. Bold is encouraged but bot necessary. 

19 minutes ago, Ookla the Raveness said:

The inactivity isn't usually a choice...well it is, but I lose energy, and the will to make time for the game, so that's usually an easy way to tell if I'm evil .

Can't say I trust self-meta-reads, but that makes me a bit of a hypocrite, since I make them a lot. So, noted. 

[Aeoryi she/her]

2 minutes ago, Ookla the Raveness said:

Krookodile!!!!

Anyways I only ever played with a hidden serial killer faction. Steel's LG...don't remember the number 

Lets see...hmmm it was ah! LG 87: Choose your own many war

Anyways I don't like serial killers

Dunno how I'd win if I was one

I know! I'd go inactive cuz it's like being evil :P

Nightowl? Whoooo???? (Hehe sorry tis my weird way of saying Steel's LG had one)

Okay.

Also, just realized the SK cannot be Elim killed. Must be Lynchkilled

[The Wandering Wizard he/him]

1 minute ago, Ookla the Bald said:

*sighs* I thought we were done with that?

Aeoryi (Resolute) has a bit of a history of self-voting and semi-often dying for it. And yes, voting in red is the typical way that we vote. If you want to unvote, just put your original vote in Green. Bold is encouraged but bot necessary. 

Can't say I trust self-meta-reads, but that makes me a bit of a hypocrite, since I make them a lot. So, noted. 

It's just what I've noticed so far in recent games. If I go inactive kill me

1 minute ago, Ookla the Resolute said:

Okay.

Hehe sorry feeling a bit hyper tonight

1 minute ago, Ookla the Resolute said:

Also, just realized the SK cannot be Elim killed. Must be Lynchkilled

I forgot about that

[Kasimir he/him]

2 hours ago, neil the beguiled said:

yeah, ive played on MU and a bit on flight rising, but i mostly play chat mafia ^^ stick invited me to play a game here and i wanted to check it out so here i am!!!!

Oh hey! I didn't know FR had mafia. My ex was into it so I played for a while but I think I mostly hung out with the Arcane folks and went ham on coatls and imperials.

1 hour ago, Ookla thePresentParticiple said:

“True, it is better to keep Serial Killers alive than elims, but I personally am wary of any group that can kill me.

SK's a delicate balance IMO. We want the SK dead at some point (if we let it get to lategame, we lose if we don't get them out) but early on I think I'm more interested in looking for Elims. Medium-term versus short-term problems IMO.

1 hour ago, Ookla the Raveness said:

Idk I'm terrible at distros so yall are lucky I haven't run a game yet

Just get an IM who is good at distros, or co-GM with someone better, that's how I do it  Also why LG74 used Fifth's Tricks distro.

34 minutes ago, neil the beguiled said:

fwiw i kiiinda think that a SK claim like that leans town though? this is a person whos comfortable enough to joke. plus i kinda dont buy that sk or mafia would say that just to put all the pressure on them. i wouldnt trust a pr claim from this slot tho

I'd take MR56 as prima facie reason not to townlean claims from Archer fwiw. I think it's well within his range. 

Aman wb bro

Edited December 12, 2023 by Kasimir
Extra space was bothering me

[Aeoryi she/her]

3 minutes ago, Ookla the Bald said:

*sighs* I thought we were done with that?

Aeoryi (Resolute) has a bit of a history of self-voting and semi-often dying for it. And yes, voting in red is the typical way that we vote. If you want to unvote, just put your original vote in Green. Bold is encouraged but bot necessary. 

Can't say I trust self-meta-reads, but that makes me a bit of a hypocrite, since I make them a lot. So, noted. 

It all would've been insane if it was e!mat that game. And if I doubled my vote.

Lucky coin was wrong.

I also self voted in LG97 (this one still gives me nightmares) and that worked somehow but idk we still lost

1 minute ago, Kasimir said:

Oh hey! I didn't know FR had mafia. My ex was into it so I played for a while but I think I mostly hung out with the Arcane folks and went ham on coatls and imperials.

SK's a delicate balance IMO. We want the SK dead at some point (if we let it get to lategame, we lose if we don't get them out) but early on I think I'm more interested in looking for Elims. Medium-term versus short-term problems IMO.

Just get an IM who is good at distros, or co-GM with someone better, that's how I do it  Also why LG74 used Fifth's Tricks distro.

 

I'd take MR56 as prima facie reason not to townlean claims from Archer fwiw. I think it's well within his range. 

Aman wb bro

 

[Kasimir he/him]

Edited to add:

6 minutes ago, Ookla the Bald said:

Bold is encouraged but bot necessary. 

Bold is pretty damn necessary if you want the GM not to suffer counting votes in a hyperactive thread...

Oh, @neil the beguiled - Just to be aware, we have a thing about clearly demarcating edits, but you can edit your posts as long as you don't change the content, just add to it. If Stick hasn't linked you to rules and etiquette yet, probably check it out.

The really important thing for you since you mentioned being a hyperposter is that posts now automerge if you try to post within fifteen minutes, and if no one else has posted. Just be careful of it  

Edited to add 2:

And you shouldn't be editing old posts anyway (though admittedly I do to maintain post justification), just the most recent one. ...This prospective merge aged badly.

Edited December 12, 2023 by Kasimir

[neil the beguiled]

2 minutes ago, Ookla the Bald said:

*sighs* I thought we were done with that?

Aeoryi (Resolute) has a bit of a history of self-voting and semi-often dying for it. And yes, voting in red is the typical way that we vote. If you want to unvote, just put your original vote in Green. Bold is encouraged but bot necessary. 

Can't say I trust self-meta-reads, but that makes me a bit of a hypocrite, since I make them a lot. So, noted. 

:noted: idm leaving my vote there for now at least tho. just better hope i dont forget by the end of the day xD. 

felt w self meta tho, though introspection on that is ~decent points

2 minutes ago, Ookla the Resolute said:

Okay.

Also, just realized the SK cannot be Elim killed. Must be Lynchkilled

  top ten things i did NOT read. whoops

2 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Oh hey! I didn't know FR had mafia. My ex was into it so I played for a while but I think I mostly hung out with the Arcane folks and went ham on coatls and imperials.

SK's a delicate balance IMO. We want the SK dead at some point (if we let it get to lategame, we lose if we don't get them out) but early on I think I'm more interested in looking for Elims. Medium-term versus short-term problems IMO.

Just get an IM who is good at distros, or co-GM with someone better, that's how I do it  Also why LG74 used Fifth's Tricks distro.

 

I'd take MR56 as prima facie reason not to townlean claims from Archer fwiw. I think it's well within his range. 

Aman wb bro

oh yeah theres a dedicated community there ^^ its kinda chill and lowkey, n theres also apparently some rp maf? it vibes. ironically i think arcane is the main flight that plays maf xD

mmm alright. i guess general scumhunting in general is the best way to play then...?

wrt to archer; if you dont think i should tl archer for that, how do *you* read archer then? (i will use context clues to assume archer openclaimed a scum role in the game youre referencing). do you disagree with the people voting him or think theres a scum possibility there?

3 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Edited to add:

Bold is pretty damn necessary if you want the GM not to suffer counting votes in a hyperactive thread...

Oh, @neil the beguiled - Just to be aware, we have a thing about clearly demarcating edits, but you can edit your posts as long as you don't change the content, just add to it. If Stick hasn't linked you to rules and etiquette yet, probably check it out.

The really important thing for you since you mentioned being a hyperposter is that posts now automerge if you try to post within fifteen minutes, and if no one else has posted. Just be careful of it  

Edited to add 2:

And you shouldn't be editing old posts anyway (though admittedly I do to maintain post justification), just the most recent one. ...This prospective merge aged badly.

dw stick told me abt that owob. ive kinda opted to sit back though in terms of posting 9and doing quotewalling now apparently xD bc of it. and dw i found the rules and etiquette page ^^. 

[Kasimir he/him]

Just now, neil the beguiled said:

wrt to archer; if you dont think i should tl archer for that, how do *you* read archer then? (i will use context clues to assume archer openclaimed a scum role in the game youre referencing). do you disagree with the people voting him or think theres a scum possibility there?

I'm not sure why there's a question there - if it's NAI for Archer, then he's null, simpliciter, which means I'm open to voting him, but would rather apply pressure elsewhere. I have some further thoughts on the issue I don't want to get into now but will be willing to be more forthcoming later on in the cycle.

3 minutes ago, neil the beguiled said:

oh yeah theres a dedicated community there ^^ its kinda chill and lowkey, n theres also apparently some rp maf? it vibes. ironically i think arcane is the main flight that plays maf xD

Oof RIP. Might check them out sometime but I deleted my account and stuff after the break-up. Might ask one of my Arcanist friends about it though!

4 minutes ago, neil the beguiled said:

mmm alright. i guess general scumhunting in general is the best way to play then...?

YMMV. I just don't feel SK is an immediate priority. I'm just also warning Ravenclaw that we can't afford to ignore the SK either. In the MR someone linked, Village struggled for a while because I think they weren't killing an openwolfing Elim, but also because they had left it so long they needed to take out the SK. (Honestly even then I'm abstracting away a lot of the messiness but it's ~unnecessary drama you don't need to know.) I don't recall the precise number (ha, Mat, take that!) but it was something like a Joe game with Bleeder. MR42 I thiiiiiink?

We can absolutely do both and should do both in terms of PoE/tracking, but my priority is hitting an Elim if we can.

9 minutes ago, neil the beguiled said:

dw stick told me abt that owob. ive kinda opted to sit back though in terms of posting 9and doing quotewalling now apparently xD bc of it. and dw i found the rules and etiquette page ^^. 

Cheers!  

[Aeoryi she/her]

3 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

I'm not sure why there's a question there - if it's NAI for Archer, then he's null, simpliciter, which means I'm open to voting him, but would rather apply pressure elsewhere. I have some further thoughts on the issue I don't want to get into now but will be willing to be more forthcoming later on in the cycle.

Oof RIP. Might check them out sometime but I deleted my account and stuff after the break-up. Might ask one of my Arcanist friends about it though!

YMMV. I just don't feel SK is an immediate priority. I'm just also warning Ravenclaw that we can't afford to ignore the SK either. In the MR someone linked, Village struggled for a while because I think they weren't killing an openwolfing Elim, but also because they had left it so long they needed to take out the SK. (Honestly even then I'm abstracting away a lot of the messiness but it's ~unnecessary drama you don't need to know.) I don't recall the precise number (ha, Mat, take that!) but it was something like a Joe game with Bleeder. MR42 I thiiiiiink?

We can absolutely do both and should do both in terms of PoE/tracking, but my priority is hitting an Elim if we can.

Cheers!  

It would be at this time that I would do a reads list but not everyone has posted so yeah it would be too hollow and would probably get me Exe'd like last time

 

[neil the beguiled]

3 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

I'm not sure why there's a question there - if it's NAI for Archer, then he's null, simpliciter, which means I'm open to voting him, but would rather apply pressure elsewhere. I have some further thoughts on the issue I don't want to get into now but will be willing to be more forthcoming later on in the cycle.

Oof RIP. Might check them out sometime but I deleted my account and stuff after the break-up. Might ask one of my Arcanist friends about it though!

YMMV. I just don't feel SK is an immediate priority. I'm just also warning Ravenclaw that we can't afford to ignore the SK either. In the MR someone linked, Village struggled for a while because I think they weren't killing an openwolfing Elim, but also because they had left it so long they needed to take out the SK. (Honestly even then I'm abstracting away a lot of the messiness but it's ~unnecessary drama you don't need to know.) I don't recall the precise number (ha, Mat, take that!) but it was something like a Joe game with Bleeder. MR42 I thiiiiiink?

We can absolutely do both and should do both in terms of PoE/tracking, but my priority is hitting an Elim if we can.

Cheers!  

ah okay. i will... sit back and let you cook for a moment then, ill keep an eye on that then. [i have some other thoughts but ill hold off for now and let u cook^^]

yeah fair enough!!! all the ppl ive met through it have been chill, theyre all a lot of fun ^w^

mmm typically in chat games ive played with killer (sk) people just kinda flailed around. i think in geenral the approach should just be to find scum as a whole, rather than specifically look for eliminators or sk? though sk could potentially kill elims here for us. a lot of waffling to say, lets find scum but if possible, find eliminators over sks?

though id hate if there was just the last scum left being a sk wrt associatives, i put a lot of stock into them so an independant party isnt great. weh. idrt this hypothetical helps much when theres no flips yet anyways

cheers!!!

 

[Ravenclawjedi42]

27 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

SK's a delicate balance IMO. We want the SK dead at some point (if we let it get to lategame, we lose if we don't get them out) but early on I think I'm more interested in looking for Elims. Medium-term versus short-term problems IMO.

I feel the same way, but as I don’t have any great leads now, I’ll vote for the possible Serial Killer.

[Aeoryi she/her]

1 minute ago, neil the beguiled said:

ah okay. i will... sit back and let you cook for a moment then, ill keep an eye on that then. [i have some other thoughts but ill hold off for now and let u cook^^]

yeah fair enough!!! all the ppl ive met through it have been chill, theyre all a lot of fun ^w^

mmm typically in chat games ive played with killer (sk) people just kinda flailed around. i think in geenral the approach should just be to find scum as a whole, rather than specifically look for eliminators or sk? though sk could potentially kill elims here for us. a lot of waffling to say, lets find scum but if possible, find eliminators over sks?

though id hate if there was just the last scum left being a sk wrt associatives, i put a lot of stock into them so an independant party isnt great. weh. idrt this hypothetical helps much when theres no flips yet anyways

cheers!!!

 

 

Technically, the elims and the village still can win if the SK is still alive, since they do not count for either teams wincon. 

The elims actually have less of a reason to NK the SK, mainly because they can't, and the SK helps them greatly reach their wincon

[Kasimir he/him]

5 minutes ago, neil the beguiled said:

ah okay. i will... sit back and let you cook for a moment then, ill keep an eye on that then. [i have some other thoughts but ill hold off for now and let u cook^^]

 

Appreciated, feel free to @ me later on if I forget. I'm more comfortable talking about it, say, past the 12 hour mark or so?

5 minutes ago, neil the beguiled said:

i think in geenral the approach should just be to find scum as a whole, rather than specifically look for eliminators or sk?

Here's the issue: since the SK is kill-proof here, the SK is not going to exactly be too scared to look Village and hunt Elims because that keeps them looking Villagery and they don't need to fear the NK. The fact a Village Lurcher exists means they have some cover for surviving the NK if they look Villagery. So I do in fact think that that Elim hunting here potentially points to the wrong PoE for the SK. I think they are two distinct pools/profiles, which is why I emphasise looking for both. No connections and TMI for the SK either. In short, it's possible for the SK to look fairly Villagery, though I'd agree they're not likely to go extreme Villagery since it'd bait the kill issue.

5 minutes ago, neil the beguiled said:

though id hate if there was just the last scum left being a sk wrt associatives, i put a lot of stock into them so an independant party isnt great. weh. idrt this hypothetical helps much when theres no flips yet anyways

Yeah.

Edited to add:

Wait. We are not required to kill the SK?

2 minutes ago, Ookla the Resolute said:

Technically, the elims and the village still can win if the SK is still alive, since they do not count for either teams wincon. 

I need to check this because what the hell, I swear every game I've played with an SK requires us to get them out.

Edited December 12, 2023 by Kasimir

[neil the beguiled]

9 minutes ago, Ookla the Resolute said:

It would be at this time that I would do a reads list but not everyone has posted so yeah it would be too hollow and would probably get me Exe'd like last time

 

honestly ive been kinda wanting to throw out some reads myself so it'd make me feel a lot less awkward if you did ;n;

1 minute ago, Ookla the Resolute said:

Technically, the elims and the village still can win if the SK is still alive, since they do not count for either teams wincon. 

The elims actually have less of a reason to NK the SK, mainly because they can't, and the SK helps them greatly reach their wincon

okay wait i rlly need to read then-  kriller on my homesite needs to be within the final 2 alive and can't joint win idt . holdup-

[Mat he/him]

13 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

I don't recall the precise number (ha, Mat, take that!) but it was something like a Joe game with Bleeder. MR42 I thiiiiiink?

Twas  

[Aeoryi she/her]

2 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Appreciated, feel free to @ me later on if I forget. I'm more comfortable talking about it, say, past the 12 hour mark or so?

Here's the issue: since the SK is kill-proof here, the SK is not going to exactly be too scared to look Village and hunt Elims because that keeps them looking Villagery and they don't need to fear the NK. The fact a Village Lurcher exists means they have some cover for surviving the NK if they look Villagery. So I do in fact think that that Elim hunting here potentially points to the wrong PoE for the SK. I think they are two distinct pools/profiles, which is why I emphasise looking for both. No connections and TMI for the SK either. In short, it's possible for the SK to look fairly Villagery, though I'd agree they're not likely to go extreme Villagery since it'd bait the kill issue.

Yeah.

Edited to add:

Wait. We are not required to kill the SK?

I need to check this because what the hell, I swear every game I've played with an SK requires us to get them out.

yeah.

 

[Kasimir he/him]

3 minutes ago, neil the beguiled said:

okay wait i rlly need to read then-  kriller on my homesite needs to be within the final 2 alive and can't joint win idt . holdup-

YEP. I s2g that's the normal freakin' set-up. Well not F2 last one standing.

On 12/6/2023 at 12:50 PM, Ookla the Destined said:

Stretch Goal #2 has been reached! The Ballistic SEr has entered the game! They're an SK solo faction with a kill each turn and kill invulnerability, or in other words, they must be exed to be removed. The Reasonable SErs and the Crazed SErs do not need to remove the Ballistic SEr to win.

Located and shared for collective sanity.

On 12/5/2023 at 1:57 AM, Ookla the Destined said:

Ballistic SEr: Standard serial killer faction. They win when they are the last player standing. Each cycle, they may submit a kill, brutally ending a player’s Dragonsteel experience. The Ballistic SEr must be removed from the con by the exe; they have kill immunity.

We don't need them out, but they need to be last one standing.