Interplanetary resonances

[Metalmapper]

One question that has been bugging me for a while after reading The Emperor's Soul: Could you use an Essence Mark to change a Radiant's order? If so, what would happen to their spren? If you turned a Windrunner into a Skybreaker, would their Honorspren turn into Highspren? Would their Honorspren die and they lose their powers? Would you have to also mark a Highspren?

On a completely different note, how would Biochroma interact with Lightweaving?

[alder24]

42 minutes ago, Metalmapper said:

One question that has been bugging me for a while after reading The Emperor's Soul: Could you use an Essence Mark to change a Radiant's order? If so, what would happen to their spren? If you turned a Windrunner into a Skybreaker, would their Honorspren turn into Highspren? Would their Honorspren die and they lose their powers? Would you have to also mark a Highspren?

Possible. What I think you would have to do is not that you would Soulstamp yourself into a different kind of Radiant, you probably would have to change the spren to be of a different type, which would require you to provide a lot of investiture, because spren are very invested. And then you probably would have to change the "type" of the Nahel Bond you have to fitting to the order of the Forged spren. At least that's what I think.

Here is a WoB about it:

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Questioner

Soul Forging. Emperor's Soul. If one created the stamp properly, could you, using it, say, Windrunner you stamp, rewrote past to be Lightweaver. Possible?

Brandon Sanderson

That is possible and a little easier than a lot of other things. It's gonna run into problems... in that the Oaths are gonna be hard to align.

Questioner

Probably require some very fine crafting on the stamp.

Brandon Sanderson

Very fine crafting on the stamp. And there are certain people that they're just gonna have a hard time fitting into certain Orders. This is a lot easier though than just taking a random person and making them into one, because you're gonna already have Investiture that they've got.

Questioner

And have the basis of the First Oath.

Brandon Sanderson

Yeah. So this is not as hard as it might at first sound. It's the sort of thing that people in the cosmere are looking at. Like, being able to transfer magics between-- and things like that is one of very much interest in the cosmere.

The Great American Read: Other Worlds with Brandon Sanderson (Oct. 25, 2018)

 

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42 minutes ago, Metalmapper said:

On a completely different note, how would Biochroma interact with Lightweaving?

What do you mean by this? Would it enhance the colors or sounds made by Lightweaving? Yes. Could a Lightweaver with enough Breaths create more perfect color shades? Yes. Could an Awakened object interact with Lightweaving, could it see Lightweaving? Not likely - Awakened objects see like Steel Inquisitors, via the Steelsight, they would likely see right through any Lightweaving, like it wasn't even there. They wouldn't be fooled by Lightweaving.

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Questioner

In Awakening an object when you give it the sort of Command like, go get the keys, or something. How does that object perceive the world around it? Since it doesn't have standard human senses, how does it see? How does it touch?

Brandon Sanderson

It is not--

Moderator

Repeat the question.

Brandon Sanderson

Oh… go ahead.

Moderator

The question was, how do Awakened objects actually perceive the world.

Brandon Sanderson

…The closest correlation you have to this is how Inquisitors see.

Questioner

Okay, following up on that say, someone who has-- say someone with bronze who-- a bronze Misting managed to somehow get access to Breath and Awaken would he then be able to tell that object "Hey I sense this Allomancer over there, can you find it".

Brandon Sanderson

That is not outside the realm of possibility.

JordanCon 2016 (April 23, 2016)

 

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18 minutes ago, Metalmapper said:

One question that has been bugging me for a while after reading The Emperor's Soul: Could you use an Essence Mark to change a Radiant's order? If so, what would happen to their spren? If you turned a Windrunner into a Skybreaker, would their Honorspren turn into Highspren? Would their Honorspren die and they lose their powers? Would you have to also mark a Highspren?

Investiture resists investiture, so it is very doubtful that an Essense mark could affect a Nahel Bond, and even less chance that it would affect the spren itself by stamping the Radiant. We have not yet seen if an essence mark can even be adapted to use in the Cognitive realm, much less on a Cognitive entity.

18 minutes ago, Metalmapper said:

On a completely different note, how would Biochroma interact with Lightweaving?

What aspect of BioChroma? The Heightenings, the Aura? Awakening specifically?

 

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[+robardin he/him]

Yeah, despite that WoB, I think an Essence Mark either creating or changing a Radiant's Nahel bond would be really, really hard to do, because it'd have to also affect or create a sentient spren as a component of it.

The latter of which may not even be possible, since the sentient spren kind of has its own cognitive "soul" separate from the Radiant, and its "type" is a core part of that identity (i.e. there is no "historical what-if choice" that, had it been different, would have made an honorspren come out as a cultivationspren - they are "concepts Invested to the point of life").

If at all possible, it'd probably have to be a Forger who's already got a Nahel bonded spren creating a Soulstamp for themselves, and not for another person; as we saw in TES, making a Soulstamp for another person, one that "takes" and lasts long enough to be restamped (indefinitely permanent), is REALLY hard.

And one that affected the soul that conformed to how that person's soul "fit" with a spren's, to the extent that it also modified the spren's Cognitive identity, would be way, way harder.

It'd be far easier, I think, for a Nahel bonded Forger to make a stamp that resulted in them being a higher (or lower) Ideal.

Edited November 18, 2023 by robardin