Tamriel Wolfsbaine Posted November 7, 2023 Posted November 7, 2023 So highly likely this is all just RAFO but I am curious so I must ask others opinions and thoughts. I have seen a theory that Adolin may be able to save Maya and eventually speak oaths. Is there more or less that could happen with that? Do you suppose there are other systems that could interact with a deadeye to gain the ability of having a summonable shape shifting blade without going to the extreme of reviving it to the point where the person becomes a radiant? Do you think there are any other ways within the cosmere systems to gain shape shifting shardblade type weapons in the future?
alder24 Posted November 7, 2023 Posted November 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Tamriel Wolfsbaine said: I have seen a theory that Adolin may be able to save Maya and eventually speak oaths. Is there more or less that could happen with that? It can happen, but Adolin swearing Oath will not bring Maya back. It would have to be her original Radiant who broke her Oath and then reswear them and that would bring her back. This isn't possible for Maya now (for Testament it is). Spoiler Questioner The dead Shardblades, could you possibly get Stormlight into them to reawaken them? Brandon Sanderson Dead Shardblade, could you pump enough Stormlight into them? That alone would not be enough. Questioner So you would have to find someone to re-swear with oaths? Brandon Sanderson There is something broken on the Spiritual Realm because of the broken oath and simple Stormlight will not fix that. Questioner So say-- Brandon Sanderson If the person were still alive and could re-swear the oath then yes. Questioner But someone like [...] could go [...] the Spiritual Realm? Brandon Sanderson It is not outside of reason but it would be very, very, very difficult. Firefight release party (Jan. 5, 2015) 1 hour ago, Tamriel Wolfsbaine said: Do you suppose there are other systems that could interact with a deadeye to gain the ability of having a summonable shape shifting blade without going to the extreme of reviving it to the point where the person becomes a radiant? Just bonding a deadeye blade will give you the regular benefits of owning a Shardblade. Isn't that enough? Anyone can do that. Becoming a Radiant is a far better option, so finding a way to revive deadeye is advisable. 1 hour ago, Tamriel Wolfsbaine said: Do you think there are any other ways within the cosmere systems to gain shape shifting shardblade type weapons in the future? Bond a sapient Splinter.
Moirne she/her Posted November 16, 2023 Posted November 16, 2023 I wonder if Dalinar would be able to transfer Maya’s broken bond/connection from her (presumably) dead Radiant to Adolin, and then Adolin would be able to reactivate it by swearing oaths? 2
Trusk'our he/him Posted November 16, 2023 Posted November 16, 2023 On 11/7/2023 at 1:43 PM, Tamriel Wolfsbaine said: Do you suppose there are other systems that could interact with a deadeye to gain the ability of having a summonable shape shifting blade without going to the extreme of reviving it to the point where the person becomes a radiant? Do you think there are any other ways within the cosmere systems to gain shape shifting shardblade type weapons in the future? I believe that a Connector Ferring could potentially play around with some Deadeye Shardblade mechanics. I don't know that they'd be able to revive the Spren, but they could potentially speed up the summoning process by briefly strengthening their Connection to it. Essentially the reverse of how stealing a blade's Bond via Hemalurgy causes it to be summoned slower. Spoiler Idaho Falls signing - Arcanum (coppermind.net) Questioner If you Hemalurgically steal a Shardblade, what <entropy takes place>? Brandon Sanderson Like, if you were going to steal someone's Connection to that Shardblade? Questioner The bond with the Shardblade. Brandon Sanderson The bond with the Shardblade? Questioner Would it take longer to summon? Brandon Sanderson Well, no, you just wouldn't summon it anymore, the person who got it Hemalurgically would summon it. That would be kind of a wasted use, to get a dead Shardblade. Lot easier ways to do that. Questioner I was just wondering if it would take longer to summon if somebody used Hemalurgy to steal it. Brandon Sanderson Oh, yeah, there's a little bit of leak to it, so probably. Questioner It wouldn't make sense for it to be less sharp. Brandon Sanderson No. Potentially this strengthening of Connection could allow for a molding of the blade as well, which could prove useful. It's also possible for a Oathbreaking Radiant to retain a portion of their Surgebinding from their Deadeye, so perhaps by manipulating Connection the Ferring could learn to use Surgebinding to a limited degree (RoW chapter 115 suggests this is possible for Radiants to do). Most likely it would be very inefficient though, much like the Honorblades, requiring more Stormlight than normal to function.
alder24 Posted November 16, 2023 Posted November 16, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, Moirne said: I wonder if Dalinar would be able to transfer Maya’s broken bond/connection from her (presumably) dead Radiant to Adolin, and then Adolin would be able to reactivate it by swearing oaths? Interesting. That might be possible. However it's likely that identity won't match and prevent it from working, or at least working as good as it should have. But still, that's an interesting idea. The original Radiant would be able to reswear and resurrect his deadeye, transferring the remnants of the bond might be the solution. Spoiler Questioner The dead Shardblades, could you possibly get Stormlight into them to reawaken them? Brandon Sanderson Dead Shardblade, could you pump enough Stormlight into them? That alone would not be enough. Questioner So you would have to find someone to re-swear with oaths? Brandon Sanderson There is something broken on the Spiritual Realm because of the broken oath and simple Stormlight will not fix that. Questioner So say-- Brandon Sanderson If the person were still alive and could re-swear the oath then yes. Questioner But someone like [...] could go [...] the Spiritual Realm? Brandon Sanderson It is not outside of reason but it would be very, very, very difficult. Firefight release party (Jan. 5, 2015) Edited November 16, 2023 by alder24
Moirne she/her Posted November 16, 2023 Posted November 16, 2023 This occurred to me when I saw Ishar’s ability to steal a spren bond - maybe Dalinar or another level 5 Bondsmith could do the same for the deadeye spren. Or someone wielding the Bondsmith honorblade.
JohnnyKaizen he/him Posted November 17, 2023 Posted November 17, 2023 On 11/7/2023 at 3:00 PM, alder24 said: It can happen, but Adolin swearing Oath will not bring Maya back. It would have to be her original Radiant who broke her Oath and then reswear them and that would bring her back. This isn't possible for Maya now (for Testament it is). Reveal hidden contents Questioner The dead Shardblades, could you possibly get Stormlight into them to reawaken them? Brandon Sanderson Dead Shardblade, could you pump enough Stormlight into them? That alone would not be enough. Questioner So you would have to find someone to re-swear with oaths? Brandon Sanderson There is something broken on the Spiritual Realm because of the broken oath and simple Stormlight will not fix that. Questioner So say-- Brandon Sanderson If the person were still alive and could re-swear the oath then yes. Questioner But someone like [...] could go [...] the Spiritual Realm? Brandon Sanderson It is not outside of reason but it would be very, very, very difficult. Firefight release party (Jan. 5, 2015) Just bonding a deadeye blade will give you the regular benefits of owning a Shardblade. Isn't that enough? Anyone can do that. Becoming a Radiant is a far better option, so finding a way to revive deadeye is advisable. Bond a sapient Splinter. I am not convinced that Adolin (or anyone) with the proper Intent couldn't restore the deadeyes. Brandon didn't actually say there that the deadeyes need their original radiant, but that something is broken in the spiritual realm because of the broken oath. Also, Aux seems to imply that both spren and radiant speak the oaths. If that's how it works, and Maya broke her oaths and is now coming back to them..it would seem at least possible (even if it's through a novel process) to be restored to full..uhh..sprenhood?
alder24 Posted November 17, 2023 Posted November 17, 2023 14 minutes ago, JohnnyKaizen said: Brandon didn't actually say there that the deadeyes need their original radiant, but that something is broken in the spiritual realm because of the broken oath. He said that in the WoB. The question was "So you would have to find someone to re-swear with oaths?" to which Brandon answered "If the person were still alive and could re-swear the oath then yes." Here several other WoBs where he confirms it: Spoiler Kaladin al'Thor I noticed my last time reading Words of Radiance that there were several times-- vines that were on Adolin's shardblade as he summoned it. So I was wondering if maybe the Radiant who used it had was an Edgedancer? Brandon Sanderson You are right. Kaladin al'Thor You mentioned before that it would be possible to revive a dead shard[blade], but it would be very difficult-- Brandon Sanderson Very difficult. Kaladin al'Thor Like I think what you said is that it would have to be the same person that broke the bond? Brandon Sanderson That would be the-- Yeah. Kaladin al'Thor So if it was an Edgedancer's blade if he made those same oaths could potentially he… Brandon Sanderson That would most likely not be enough. Something else would have to happen. Good guess though. Firefight release party (Jan. 5, 2015) Spoiler Questioner With Syl being able to be revived, is Adolin ever going to be able to revive his own blade, or-- Brandon Sanderson Ah, that would be very difficult, because the original-- in most cases, the original person who broke the oath would have to be the one. Firefight San Francisco signing (Jan. 17, 2015) Spoiler Questioner Shardblades are essentially spren that have died-- Brandon Sanderson Not all of them have died but yeah. Questioner Oh, my question was if they could be revived? Brandon Sanderson Um this… According to the understanding of those in-world it would require the same person who broke their oath. So it would be possible if any of them were still alive. I'm not ruling out other ways, but that's how it's understood by-- Questioner It would be the traditional way. Brandon Sanderson Yeah, mmhmm. Bands of Mourning release party (Jan. 25, 2016) Plus apparently it was speculated by Pattern in RoW ch 75, but I can't find it in that chapter, Coppermind: Quote Pattern, on the other hand, speculates that if the original Knights Radiant who had broken their Oaths and killed them were still alive, it might be possible for a deadeye to come back.[26] I've never denied that revival with the use of a different method is impossible, only that If a different person tried to just swear the Oaths, like Adolin, he would not be able to revive a Deadeye. There might be some ways to do so, but just swearing Oaths isn't it, or isn't the only thing needed to be done. However Adolin is doing something that revives Maya, but doesn't form Radiant Nahel Bond between them, doesn't make him Radiant, which means swearing Oaths might not be even necessary for a revival process. 26 minutes ago, JohnnyKaizen said: Sunlit Man Spoiler: Spoiler Also, Aux seems to imply that both spren and radiant speak the oaths Sunlit Man spoilers are not allowed here. Edit your post and delete this. It's not that hard to remember...
JohnnyKaizen he/him Posted November 17, 2023 Posted November 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, alder24 said: He said that in the WoB. The question was "So you would have to find someone to re-swear with oaths?" to which Brandon answered "If the person were still alive and could re-swear the oath then yes." Here several other WoBs where he confirms it: Hide contents Kaladin al'Thor I noticed my last time reading Words of Radiance that there were several times-- vines that were on Adolin's shardblade as he summoned it. So I was wondering if maybe the Radiant who used it had was an Edgedancer? Brandon Sanderson You are right. Kaladin al'Thor You mentioned before that it would be possible to revive a dead shard[blade], but it would be very difficult-- Brandon Sanderson Very difficult. Kaladin al'Thor Like I think what you said is that it would have to be the same person that broke the bond? Brandon Sanderson That would be the-- Yeah. Kaladin al'Thor So if it was an Edgedancer's blade if he made those same oaths could potentially he… Brandon Sanderson That would most likely not be enough. Something else would have to happen. Good guess though. Firefight release party (Jan. 5, 2015) Hide contents Questioner With Syl being able to be revived, is Adolin ever going to be able to revive his own blade, or-- Brandon Sanderson Ah, that would be very difficult, because the original-- in most cases, the original person who broke the oath would have to be the one. Firefight San Francisco signing (Jan. 17, 2015) Hide contents Questioner Shardblades are essentially spren that have died-- Brandon Sanderson Not all of them have died but yeah. Questioner Oh, my question was if they could be revived? Brandon Sanderson Um this… According to the understanding of those in-world it would require the same person who broke their oath. So it would be possible if any of them were still alive. I'm not ruling out other ways, but that's how it's understood by-- Questioner It would be the traditional way. Brandon Sanderson Yeah, mmhmm. Bands of Mourning release party (Jan. 25, 2016) Plus apparently it was speculated by Pattern in RoW ch 75, but I can't find it in that chapter, Coppermind: I've never denied that revival with the use of a different method is impossible, only that If a different person tried to just swear the Oaths, like Adolin, he would not be able to revive a Deadeye. There might be some ways to do so, but just swearing Oaths isn't it, or isn't the only thing needed to be done. However Adolin is doing something that revives Maya, but doesn't form Radiant Nahel Bond between them, doesn't make him Radiant, which means swearing Oaths might not be even necessary for a revival process. Sunlit Man spoilers are not allowed here. Edit your post and delete this. It's not that hard to remember... Sorry, I definitely didn't process the first quote fully. I probably didn't because of my preconceived notion that Maya, specifically, will be able to return eventually. The thing about every one of those quotes, is that Brandon qualifies them every single time. I feel like he would not be going out of his way to say, "Yes, it would have to be the original radiant, but there is/are rare exception(s)." I have zero idea what else would need to happen for Maya to fully return, but personally, I believe she will be able to. I just have no idea how. And my main feeling is based on how Brandon goes out of his way to say, "Yeah, nearly all of the deadeyes will not be able to return. It's super hard, unless..RAFO-y things happen."
teknopathetic he/him Posted November 17, 2023 Posted November 17, 2023 (edited) We are likely going to get some Ba Ado Mishram eventually, and if she returns then the rules regarding Dead Eyes might change. We seem to know that deadeyes didn't happen before Ado was trapped, so maybe they can be repaired after she is released. What seems likely in my mind is that Adolin figures out how to revive deadeyes once Mishram is released. The process wont be automatic but all the effort Adolin has put in will pay off. Edited November 17, 2023 by teknopathetic 1
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