Kelsier's body

[Stick The Savant]

When he appears in era two Kelsier looks mostly like he did in era 1 (aside from the spike in his eye) when it comes to cognitive shadows it seems that only the Heralds are able to create new bodies (as far as we've seen). They don't seem to need anything extra like the Fused being required to take a body. this is notable because I think Kelsier has similarities to one or both of these kinds of returned. is it possible that one of the Ghostblood's first objectives on Roshar was gathering intel on how the Heralds create bodies when they return from braize or how the Fused are able to "comandeer" a body so that Kelsier could imitate those cognitive shadows and get a body?

I think Kelsier would be more similar to the Heralds since the Fused's apperance is influenced by their host body.

[Newly Awakened he/him]

49 minutes ago, Stick The Savant said:

When he appears in era two Kelsier looks mostly like he did in era 1 (aside from the spike in his eye) when it comes to cognitive shadows it seems that only the Heralds are able to create new bodies (as far as we've seen). They don't seem to need anything extra like the Fused being required to take a body. this is notable because I think Kelsier has similarities to one or both of these kinds of returned. is it possible that one of the Ghostblood's first objectives on Roshar was gathering intel on how the Heralds create bodies when they return from braize or how the Fused are able to "comandeer" a body so that Kelsier could imitate those cognitive shadows and get a body?

I think Kelsier would be more similar to the Heralds since the Fused's apperance is influenced by their host body.

Well we know that Kelsier has actually "stapled" himself onto a mistwraith that was given his bones so that he could maintain his appearance, so in a way he still looks like his host body, but because it's a mistwraith he still looks like himself.

Spoiler

rxience (paraphrased)

Would a single spike be sufficient to staple a Cognitive Shadow to a mistwraith?

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

Yes, that could happen.

rxience (paraphrased)

Did that happen in the past?

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

That's a RAFO, I'm afraid. Who are you thinking about?

rxience (paraphrased)

Kelsier of course!

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

Well, he is somehow in the Physical Realm. And he does look like himself, doesn't he?

 

 

 

 

 

 

As we don't know how Heralds actually return, Kelsier's for of returning is most similar to Fused. It is also possible that he returned without the help of knowledge of how Cognitive Shadows on Roshar return.

[alder24]

5 hours ago, Stick The Savant said:

They don't seem to need anything extra like the Fused being required to take a body. this is notable because I think Kelsier has similarities to one or both of these kinds of returned. is it possible that one of the Ghostblood's first objectives on Roshar was gathering intel on how the Heralds create bodies when they return from braize or how the Fused are able to "comandeer" a body so that Kelsier could imitate those cognitive shadows and get a body?

This is definitely one of his current objectives, but as already said, Kelsier's body is a mistwraith wearing his bones, not his own body. He managed to get this body around 10 years after Catacendre, because he appeared among Malwish in his spiked body (BoM epilogue) - that's too early for Ghostbloods to gather any intel, and too early for them to speak to Heralds or know about their nature.

The problem is, which he is aware of, that he lacks connection to PR, and that's what he needs to get back, to connect himself back to his original set of bones (or other body) - for this BAM, who can manipulate connection, would be very useful.

[Stigmadiabolicum]

The interesting thing is Returned are the exception to the rule, as per WoB endowment hacked the usual system, hence why they're untethered and not stuck to their planet like fused/heralds/Kel. I think it's more with the latter 3 they're linked with the shards power which gives that rubber band effect, we know fused are constantly powered with void light..but endowment just gave the power and doesn't keep them connected, might be why they need the weekly breath to keep it going

So we know it's definitely possible, the problem is figuring out how to achieve that outside of a shard directly handing it over, and it has to be something besides just unkeyed metal minds. 

Also even though Kel is in a mistwraith body without powers, kandra aren't incapable of it as we saw with Bleeder, though it's unclear if that was only because of the Bavadinium spike

[Isilel]

On 9/29/2023 at 1:08 PM, alder24 said:

he needs to get back, to connect himself back to his original set of bones (or other body) - for this BAM, who can manipulate connection, would be very useful.

 

Makes me wonder why this couldn't have been achieved with Feruchemical Connection power, though. Why hasn't it been done with BoM?

 

11 hours ago, Stigmadiabolicum said:

mistwraith body without powers, kandra aren't incapable of it as we saw with Bleeder,

Didn't Paalm impersonate Inquisitors for the Lord Ruler? Presumably, she needed to use powers without any Trellium for this.