TheRavenHasLanded he/him Posted August 16, 2023 Report Share Posted August 16, 2023 Just out of curiousity 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Firesong she/her Posted August 16, 2023 Report Share Posted August 16, 2023 Shardplate is highly Invested, and thus it resists being effected by Invested Arts. So, technically yes, but it would require one to have some very strong steelpushes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Quantus he/him Posted August 16, 2023 Report Share Posted August 16, 2023 Technically Yes, but it's very, Very tough. It's harder to Push on Invested things like spikes and metalminds, but you can overcome that with enough power. Godmetals like Atium are pure investiture so they are even harder to Push. Shardplate is made of Godmetal but is also being actively Powered by Stormlight to give it additional benefits. And one of those benefits is to block the effects of Powers that dont match the identity of the plate (ie a Radiant can penetrate their own plate with their surges). So it's technically possible, but it's the basically the worst case I can imagine. It would be harder than pushing on Atium, harder than pushing on metal inside a person or Invested metal, and it could be entirely beyond the capabilities of one Allomancer even with Duralumin. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 alder24 Posted August 16, 2023 Report Share Posted August 16, 2023 52 minutes ago, TheRavenHasLanded said: Just out of curiousity Scadrial is a low investiture world compared to Roshar - this means that average Mistborn wields very low amounts of investiture than what Radiant with Stormlight can have. You can't push Shardplate/Shardblade, not with regular Allomancy, not with Lerasium-level Allomancy, not with Rashek-level Allomancy. Shardblades/Shardplates are so highly invested that you would need something comparable to holding the power of the Well of Ascension to push them. Even burning steel with duralumin wouldn't work on Shardplate/Shardblades. Spoiler Trae Cooper (paraphrased) Why are Invested objects like metalminds and Hemalurgic spikes able to be Pushed and Pulled on, but Shardblades and Shardplate, which are also invested, are not susceptible to Pushing and Pulling? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) There were a few concepts that he outlined in answering this question. 1.) The ability to Push/Pull an Invested object is predicated to the amount/power of the Investiture. 2.) Further, Invested objects also gain resistance to pulling/pushing based on proximity to soul possibly via the soul. An example given is that a Hemalurgic spike touches the blood of the person, and from there is now part of both the Spiritual Realm and the Physical Realm. This provides what Brandon termed a kind of "soul interference," based on its proximity to the soul. This further explains why Vin required more than normal power to Push/Pull the metalminds from the Lord Ruler, because of their proximity to his soul, via the Spiritual Realm. 3.) The amount of Investiture is relatively low on Scadrial, whereas worlds like Sel and Roshar are pushing around "high power" according to Brandon. I interpreted this to mean that Hemalurgic spikes and metalminds have low amounts of Investiture compared to Shardplate and Shardblades. Brandon said that theoretically you can Push/Pull Shardblades and Shardplates but you would need to wield an incredible amount of power. One example he gave that could so such as a thing is that if you were a Mistborn wielding the full power of the Well of Ascension, you could Push/Pull Shardblades/Plate. DragonCon 2012 (Sept. 4, 2012) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Firesong she/her Posted August 16, 2023 Report Share Posted August 16, 2023 19 minutes ago, alder24 said: Scadrial is a low investiture world compared to Roshar - this means that average Mistborn wields very low amounts of investiture than what Radiant with Stormlight can have. You can't push Shardplate/Shardblade, not with regular Allomancy, not with Lerasium-level Allomancy, not with Rashek-level Allomancy. Shardblades/Shardplates are so highly invested that you would need something comparable to holding the power of the Well of Ascension to push them. Even burning steel with duralumin wouldn't work on Shardplate/Shardblades. Hide contents Trae Cooper (paraphrased) Why are Invested objects like metalminds and Hemalurgic spikes able to be Pushed and Pulled on, but Shardblades and Shardplate, which are also invested, are not susceptible to Pushing and Pulling? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) There were a few concepts that he outlined in answering this question. 1.) The ability to Push/Pull an Invested object is predicated to the amount/power of the Investiture. 2.) Further, Invested objects also gain resistance to pulling/pushing based on proximity to soul possibly via the soul. An example given is that a Hemalurgic spike touches the blood of the person, and from there is now part of both the Spiritual Realm and the Physical Realm. This provides what Brandon termed a kind of "soul interference," based on its proximity to the soul. This further explains why Vin required more than normal power to Push/Pull the metalminds from the Lord Ruler, because of their proximity to his soul, via the Spiritual Realm. 3.) The amount of Investiture is relatively low on Scadrial, whereas worlds like Sel and Roshar are pushing around "high power" according to Brandon. I interpreted this to mean that Hemalurgic spikes and metalminds have low amounts of Investiture compared to Shardplate and Shardblades. Brandon said that theoretically you can Push/Pull Shardblades and Shardplates but you would need to wield an incredible amount of power. One example he gave that could so such as a thing is that if you were a Mistborn wielding the full power of the Well of Ascension, you could Push/Pull Shardblades/Plate. DragonCon 2012 (Sept. 4, 2012) I feel Rashek probably could. He didn't say he wasn't capable of that. Just that one with the WoA would be able to, not that it is the minimum amount. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 TheRavenHasLanded he/him Posted August 16, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2023 thank you! thats really illuminating. (pun intended) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 alder24 Posted August 16, 2023 Report Share Posted August 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Firesong said: I feel Rashek probably could. He didn't say he wasn't capable of that. Just that one with the WoA would be able to, not that it is the minimum amount. Maybe with duralumin, but not with a normal. Rashek-level steel push: Spoiler Questioner Would Allomancy affect Shardplate or Shardblades? Brandon Sanderson It cannot affected Shardblades. Well, "cannot" is a strong word. Things with innate investiture are much more difficult to affect with any of the magics at all. Which is why it's very hard, for instance-- Szeth is not able to bind people, or Lash people wearing Shardplate to the ceiling. In the same Allomancy would not be able to Push on it without some help. Duralumin and a really strong [Steel]Push could probably do it. Questioner I was just wondering if it's actually metal. Brandon Sanderson Oh yes. It is metal-ish... it is metal enough for Allomancy to work on it. Words of Radiance Washington, DC signing (March 20, 2014) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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