Voidus Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Ah the age old dilemna, who is the better wizard? On the one hand we have a functional immortal, on the other someone who can actually use magic to solve their problems, so 17th Shard who is better? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topomouse he/him Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Gandalf all the way. Dumbledore is a cheap knock off. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left he/him Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Wellllllll, Gandalf is kind of a minor deity. Maybe the equivalent of a holder of a large splinter? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted July 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Yeah but being able to resurrect isn't much use against someone who can kill you by saying two words everytime you come back. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erai Sedai he/him Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Gandalf just based on the fact he's Maia. Iluvatar, or even Manwe, seemed to see something deep in him. Something Cirdan picked up on as well. I think he was more than just a wizard. I think he was even more than what the Elves or the white council regarded him to be. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkarma he/him Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Well, there seems to be consequences whenever Gandalf uses his magic. I mean look at every time he's tried to cut loose. Dumbledore on the other hand could be said have no such restrictions. He's simply a man but one with complete and total free will... Plus... Elder Wand. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted July 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 But then an Elder wand however powerful isn't particularly useful against an immortal demi-god, a Dementor might work I suppose though 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkarma he/him Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 But then an Elder wand however powerful isn't particularly useful against an immortal demi-god, a Dementor might work I suppose though Depends on your interpretation of the Tale of the Three Brothers, the Elder Wand is either a very well crafted wand or a gift given by Death. The latter certainly qualifies as a potentially divine source of power. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mailliw73 he/him Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Power-wise: Gandalf. He is a Maia and his magic has no rules we can see. Dumbledore is the better man, in my opinion, though. He is kind. He is funny. He is compassionate. He is brave. Gandalf isn't as many of those. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cem he/him Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Harry Blackstone Copperfield Dresden. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkarma he/him Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Harry Blackstone Copperfield Dresden. Not that I don't agree but he's not Gandalf or Dumbledore. And frankly I've read enough Dresden Potter crossovers to realize transfiguration trumps a lot of things in Dresdenverse and Dumbledore was a Transfiguration professor. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiver he/him Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Power-wise: Gandalf. He is a Maia and his magic has no rules we can see. Dumbledore is the better man, in my opinion, though. He is kind. He is funny. He is compassionate. He is brave. Gandalf isn't as many of those. What. Dumbledore, the man who manipulated a seventeen year old boy into committing suicide-by-Voldemort, is a better man than Gandalf? I really need to process this, and get back to you, because I can't understand how anyone could believe Dumbledore is a better man than Gandalf; I can easily see Gandalf as being wise, kind, compassionate and funny. As for courage, when you stand toe-to-toe with a Balrog and sacrifice yourself to save your companions... I think you can be considered brave. And that's. It considering the actions that happen offscreen or in the past. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkarma he/him Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 What. Dumbledore, the man who manipulated a seventeen year old boy into committing suicide-by-Voldemort, is a better man than Gandalf? I really need to process this, and get back to you, because I can't understand how anyone could believe Dumbledore is a better man than Gandalf; I can easily see Gandalf as being wise, kind, compassionate and funny. As for courage, when you stand toe-to-toe with a Balrog and sacrifice yourself to save your companions... I think you can be considered brave. And that's. It considering the actions that happen offscreen or in the past. I prefer Dumbledore also in that he's a flawed individual in a lot more ways, the fact that he has been seduced by the temptation of power and that he realizes it and fights against it near the end of his life says volumes about who he is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mailliw73 he/him Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 (edited) What. Dumbledore, the man who manipulated a seventeen year old boy into committing suicide-by-Voldemort, is a better man than Gandalf? I really need to process this, and get back to you, because I can't understand how anyone could believe Dumbledore is a better man than Gandalf; I can easily see Gandalf as being wise, kind, compassionate and funny. As for courage, when you stand toe-to-toe with a Balrog and sacrifice yourself to save your companions... I think you can be considered brave. And that's. It considering the actions that happen offscreen or in the past. As a person, really? Gandalf is harsh and doesn't help when he can, all the time. He is brave, I give him that. He isn't very funny. Compassionate, occasionally. Kind, depends. Dumbledore was a good man, granted he lied a lot, but he did what needed to be done. He was always kind and helpful, most of the time. Edit: Don't get me wrong, I love LOTR and I like Gandalf. But as a character, I like Dumbledore more. It's not so much that he's a better person, but more that he's nicer and I feel like he tries to help more. Gandalf feels colder to me. Edited July 26, 2014 by Mailliw73 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince of Ravens he/him Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 Is this even a contest? Gandalf is Maiar, servant of Eru Ilúvatar aka God aka Creator of ALL. He is not a man, he is freaking angel taken human form. What are guys even talking about? How can mortal wizard challenge servant of the Secret Fire and wielder of the flame of Anor? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkarma he/him Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 Is this even a contest? Gandalf is Maiar, servant of Eru Ilúvatar aka God aka Creator of ALL. He is not a man, he is freaking angel taken human form. What are guys even talking about? How can mortal wizard challenge servant of the Secret Fire and wielder of the flame of Anor? Human free will and choice. Divinity often comes with grand restrictions on what you can and can't do. Power is moot if your hands are tied. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erai Sedai he/him Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 Is this even a contest? Gandalf is Maiar, servant of Eru Ilúvatar aka God aka Creator of ALL. He is not a man, he is freaking angel taken human form. What are guys even talking about? How can mortal wizard challenge servant of the Secret Fire and wielder of the flame of Anor? I'm afraid I have to agree here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmurfAquamarineBodies he/him Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 Is this even a contest? Gandalf is Maiar, servant of Eru Ilúvatar aka God aka Creator of ALL. He is not a man, he is freaking angel taken human form. What are guys even talking about? How can mortal wizard challenge servant of the Secret Fire and wielder of the flame of Anor? But he is still human and can die. Avada Kedavra would more than likely kill him. If not the wand of death would. Never read the LoTR and I never will because I think they are incredible boring ( though I own all of them ), but how powerful is Gandalf? What can he actually do? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince of Ravens he/him Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 But he is still human and can die. Avada Kedavra would more than likely kill him. If not the wand of death would. Never read the LoTR and I never will because I think they are incredible boring ( though I own all of them ), but how powerful is Gandalf? What can he actually do? He died once ... it didn't take because he is femaleparentfornicating Maiar of Valinor. He is a spirit, angelic being, what ever you want to call him. He was sent to Middle Earth with four others to counsel Men, Elves and Dwarves in their struggle against Sauron. He was forbidden to use his power, just to counsel them. That is why he doesn't go all "RAWR UNLIMITED POWER!" *lighting from fingers* That doesn't stop him from attack Durin's Bane ... with a sword ... and winning 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyPilgrim he/him Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 Well, I think you can all guess who I think is better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmurfAquamarineBodies he/him Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 So in other words we have an 'angel' who can't do anything and a human who can. Seems to me that Dumbledore would win purely because he can do stuff. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erai Sedai he/him Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 Gandalf can't do anything, or rather is forbidden, in middle earth. But put them both in an au where they can do whatever they want and It's a no brainer. Gandalf's power would easily exceed Albus. I love them both, but seriously.. The only way Albus would win is if he said to Gandalf "I can use whatever magic i want, and you can't use any."Also, in said au, I feel like Albus would look up to Gandalf as a sort of mentor. Someone who he'd admire and learn from. Not the other way around 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appreauntis Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 Nope, Dumbledore is nothing compared to Gandalf. For one Gandalf is a Maia, and others have elaborated on this, but this automatically puts him at another level than Dumbledore who is, though a wizard, still just an old man. Gandalf however is not really an old man but is in actuality a being more glorious than even elves. His true name is Olorin and his exceeding wisdom is without parallel. Same concept for character; Gandalf is only grumpy all the time because of the hundreds upon hundreds of years that he has had to bear the burdens of: his mortal body/rainment, the various races of middle-earth and all their troubles, the ever looming threat of Sauron (a Maia far more powerful than him), the quest of the ring, and having to do all of this mostly by himself. I mean, of the five Istari that were sent to help guide Middle-Earth two completely abandoned it, another was no help at all and was mostly a fool, and one totally isolated himself and then allied with the very enemy they were supposed to be fighting! Gandalf's been through a lot, and he wouldn't take any of that from Dumbledore, he'd be all like "Fly you fool! Before I knock you off your broomstick." I do like Dumbledore on his own merits though. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted July 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 I should point out that Dumbledore would after the end of the Harry Potter novels also be dead, and also has access to methods to allow him to return to life, either through a resurrection stone, as a ghost, or I suppose as an Inferi, and as such is also technically immortal, an aspect which I think is often overlooked in this debate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left he/him Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 But of those three options none of them truly return him back to life, and as far as we can tell, wouldn't even let him keep his powers. When Gandalf resurects, he gets a huge level up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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