The Big Battle for the Cosmere

[Lighteyed Lieutenant]

So, I recently finished reading all of Stormlight and Mistborn, and I was thinking.

As a planet, Scadrial is the second in the Cosmere (after Autonomy's home planet) to have electricity and gunpowder weapons. They also have battleships and rockets. In addition, the number of Allomancers has increased, as well as the number of metals. The Ghostbloods/Kelsier's Organization are ready to protect Scadrial at all costs, and are even prepared to go against Harmony (Sazed). They have huge amounts of funding, manpower, and resources, not to mention bottled Investiture. They have agents in many/all branches of Scadrial's society, and in other planets across the Cosmere as well.

Roshar, due to Desolations and Highstorms, has not progressed nearly as far. Though they have an easier way to collect Investiture through spheres, their technology is lacking. Soulcasters and fabrials, though powerful, are not as widespread as the use of electricity on Scadrial. Rosharian weapons are still Midieval-level, with the majority being spears, swords, and bows. Shardblades and shardplate are unmatched, but the number of sets is limited. However, Roshar also has the spren, which can bond to its people, allowing them to use Stormlight. Once the Radients progress far enough in the Ideals, they get their plate and blades as well, increasing the overall number. On the other hand, the Highstorms prevent the construction of tall buildings such as skyscrapers, as well as inhibiting trade and travel on land, air, and sea. I also believe that Roshar has the easiest access to Shardsmar through Radient powers. 

Overarching all the books, the Shards are playing a complex and dangerous game with the Cosmere. Will Odium win the contest of champions, eventually establishing dominance over the Rosharian system as a base to destroy the other Shards and control the Cosmere? Will Kelsier, for the good of Scadrial, deploy his agents to sow chaos, kill important figures on other planets, or even go as far as to injure/disable Harmony? Will one of the characters use a Dawnshard to alter the Cosmere, or reforge the broken shards? Will Adonalsium be reborn? Will the different planets, spurred on by the Shards, fight each other in a huge battle for superiority?

Or will Hoid, as the Cosmere burns, sit watching and play his flute?

I think that the different planets will eventually connect and interact on a much larger scale than what is currently happening, and conflict will occur. It would be cool for the characters to all team up to save the universe. (I really would have liked a Lopen+Wayne combo). Of course, having only read 2 series, my knowledge of the Cosmere is limited.

 But what do you guys think?

[alder24]

11 minutes ago, Lighteyed Lieutenant said:

So, I recently finished reading all of Stormlight and Mistborn, and I was thinking.

As a planet, Scadrial is the second in the Cosmere (after Autonomy's home planet) to have electricity and gunpowder weapons. They also have battleships and rockets. In addition, the number of Allomancers has increased, as well as the number of metals. The Ghostbloods/Kelsier's Organization are ready to protect Scadrial at all costs, and are even prepared to go against Harmony (Sazed). They have huge amounts of funding, manpower, and resources, not to mention bottled Investiture. They have agents in many/all branches of Scadrial's society, and in other planets across the Cosmere as well.

Roshar, due to Desolations and Highstorms, has not progressed nearly as far. Though they have an easier way to collect Investiture through spheres, their technology is lacking. Soulcasters and fabrials, though powerful, are not as widespread as the use of electricity on Scadrial. Rosharian weapons are still Midieval-level, with the majority being spears, swords, and bows. Shardblades and shardplate are unmatched, but the number of sets is limited. However, Roshar also has the spren, which can bond to its people, allowing them to use Stormlight. Once the Radients progress far enough in the Ideals, they get their plate and blades as well, increasing the overall number. On the other hand, the Highstorms prevent the construction of tall buildings such as skyscrapers, as well as inhibiting trade and travel on land, air, and sea. I also believe that Roshar has the easiest access to Shardsmar through Radient powers. 

Oh boy, for a moment I had flashbacks of Roshar vs Scadrial thread as I thought this is another one like this. Thanks Adonalsium it isn't!

12 minutes ago, Lighteyed Lieutenant said:

Will Odium win the contest of champions, eventually establishing dominance over the Rosharian system as a base to destroy the other Shards and control the Cosmere?

Rayse's goals were definitely to destroy all Shards and be the only ruler of Cosmere. Taravangian is unknown. He has an interest in Cosmere and wants to save them all from all the fools ruling over them, which does strongly suggest that he hasn't changed Rayse's goals. If he wins or draws the Contest of Champions he will definitely work on wider Cosmere next.

15 minutes ago, Lighteyed Lieutenant said:

Will Kelsier, for the good of Scadrial, deploy his agents to sow chaos, kill important figures on other planets, or even go as far as to injure/disable Harmony?

Well, for now Kelsier wants to gain access to raw investiture to protect Scadrial (as we saw what 3 jars of pure Dor can do), and Mraize was willing to side with Odium and sold a child to Fused. Scadrial's enemy number one is Autonomy, and if Mraize remains more aligned with Odium and Fused for now, and if Odium turns against Autonomy, there is a chance of Ghostbloods allying with Odium to fight against Autonomy together, without Harmony's consent. 

Now if other Shards will pose a threat to Scadrial in Kelsier's mind, he might send his agents to their homeworlds and make a mess there. I think he is fully focused on protecting Scadrial and won't back off preemptive attack if needed. For now however he doesn't have resources for such actions.

23 minutes ago, Lighteyed Lieutenant said:

Will one of the characters use a Dawnshard to alter the Cosmere, or reforge the broken shards?

There is only one character that we know of who is a Dawnshard right now and she can't use it. But it's likely someone might use a Dawnshard if they would get it.

25 minutes ago, Lighteyed Lieutenant said:

Will Adonalsium be reborn?

Or will Hoid, as the Cosmere burns, sit watching and play his flute?

You're really fishing for a RAFO card?  

Hoid is collecting powers for a reason, and he regrets something from his past. Hoid is likely already working on this one.

 

 

33 minutes ago, Lighteyed Lieutenant said:

I think that the different planets will eventually connect and interact on a much larger scale than what is currently happening, and conflict will occur. It would be cool for the characters to all team up to save the universe. (I really would have liked a Lopen+Wayne combo). Of course, having only read 2 series, my knowledge of the Cosmere is limited.

 But what do you guys think?

Did you read Sixth of the Dusk? You should - it takes place in the far future of the Cosmere, near its end. You will like information gathered from this short novella. And after reading it there is a early released chapter of the sequel, which you can read here: https://wob.coppermind.net/events/448/#e14408 

[Lighteyed Lieutenant]

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Did you read Sixth of the Dusk? You should - it takes place in the far future of the Cosmere, near its end. 

Ok, thanks! That should be an interesting read.

[Firesong]

While we don't know what the endgame plot would be, we do know 100% it will be in the far future with space travel and more interplanetary interconnection. As per a lot of WoBs and a few books which take place in that very late era (Sixth of Dusk being one). Pay attention to Hoid, he is going to be playing a major role in the end. 

A lot of people do have theories on how it would end. But I feel we are ultimately too early to have a chance at accurate theories. 

[Doug]

On 5.7.2023 at 11:49 AM, alder24 said:

Rayse's goals were definitely to destroy all Shards and be the only ruler of Cosmere. Taravangian is unknown. He has an interest in Cosmere and wants to save them all from all the fools ruling over them, which does strongly suggest that he hasn't changed Rayse's goals. If he wins or draws the Contest of Champions he will definitely work on wider Cosmere next.

Taravangian's repeated use of how he would "save them" makes me believe he plans to take all the shards and try to become Adonalsium v2

[Firesong]

Taravangian would definitely be less malicious and selfish than Rayse, but still have twisted and violent methods. As the dude doesn't want anyone to suffer, he more so just doesn't care so long as it helps further the livelihood of those he does care about. It would be very interesting to see how he goes about things compared to his predecessor. 

[Lighteyed Lieutenant]

On 7/5/2023 at 0:46 PM, Lighteyed Lieutenant said:

Ok, thanks! That should be an interesting read.

I just finished reading Arcanum Unbound. It certainly sparked many more theories and ideas.

[Frustration]

On 7/5/2023 at 3:10 AM, Lighteyed Lieutenant said:

Roshar, due to Desolations and Highstorms, has not progressed nearly as far. Though they have an easier way to collect Investiture through spheres, their technology is lacking. 

I would argue that Fabrials are technology.

On 7/5/2023 at 3:10 AM, Lighteyed Lieutenant said:

Soulcasters and fabrials, though powerful, are not as widespread as the use of electricity on Scadrial. 

Considering how AoL takes place after SA 5 it's possible that they are more widespread.

[drunkenbotanist]

On 7/10/2023 at 3:58 PM, Frustration said:

I would argue that Fabrials are technology.

Considering how AoL takes place after SA 5 it's possible that they are more widespread.

 

Also Navani and her ardents go from WoR making tents from the rain

To OB making wristwatches and space heaters

To RoW making fabrial tasers, a giant floating ship, a fun flying glove, oops and antimatter bombs and then basically a spaceship. Only now at the end of RoW she's hooked up to a super fabrial machine and all signs point to that drastically speeding up her innovations. Also in either here or in Dawnshard they hint about computers with logic spren.

 

I think 30 years will involve quite a lot of change. But they're not developing along the same technological path as scadrial, it's much more fantasy. 

 

 

[Firesong]

49 minutes ago, drunkenbotanist said:

 

Also Navani and her ardents go from WoR making tents from the rain

To OB making wristwatches and space heaters

To RoW making fabrial tasers, a giant floating ship, a fun flying glove, oops and antimatter bombs and then basically a spaceship. Only now at the end of RoW she's hooked up to a super fabrial machine and all signs point to that drastically speeding up her innovations. Also in either here or in Dawnshard they hint about computers with logic spren.

 

I think 30 years will involve quite a lot of change. But they're not developing along the same technological path as scadrial, it's much more fantasy. 

 

 

I think it wouldn't accelerate too much, as the thing about the massive jump between OB and RoW, is due to a new discovery that allowed for a ton of new technology to develop. That is, the interaction between Fabrials and Aluminium. I feel it is going to plateau eventually, and require a new discovery that would allow for another era of advancement.  

[alder24]

9 hours ago, Firesong said:

I think it wouldn't accelerate too much, as the thing about the massive jump between OB and RoW, is due to a new discovery that allowed for a ton of new technology to develop. That is, the interaction between Fabrials and Aluminium. I feel it is going to plateau eventually, and require a new discovery that would allow for another era of advancement.  

I disagree. This new discovery was already made - Navani realized that ancient Fabrials are spren manifesting in the Physical Realm. Not to mention her bond with the Sibling, who still has many fabrials unknown to her (the Suppressor Fabrial was only recently discovered, there is a whole 20 ft column full of fabrials). The fabrial tech will progress quickly in the near future, specifically in between SA 5 and SA 6, which would provide a necessary refreshment of the world.