JohnnyKaizen he/him Posted May 26, 2023 Posted May 26, 2023 Are there any WoB about Spoiler which Oath had been sworn by Maya's knight when they broke their bond? There are several references to things changing/becoming impossible at the 5th ideal, and AFAIK, we don't actually know what those things are? I was curious because I would certainly think that it would be more significant if Maya was coming back and her knight had sworn the 5th idea?
alder24 Posted May 26, 2023 Posted May 26, 2023 46 minutes ago, JohnnyKaizen said: Are there any WoB about Hide contents which Oath had been sworn by Maya's knight when they broke their bond? There are several references to things changing/becoming impossible at the 5th ideal, and AFAIK, we don't actually know what those things are? I was curious because I would certainly think that it would be more significant if Maya was coming back and her knight had sworn the 5th idea? No, nothing on it.
JohnnyKaizen he/him Posted May 26, 2023 Author Posted May 26, 2023 3 minutes ago, alder24 said: No, nothing on it. Bah! I was hoping. O well, thanks.
+robardin he/him Posted May 28, 2023 Posted May 28, 2023 Well obviously Maya’s Edgedancer at the time of the Recreance must have been of at least the Third Ideal, otherwise she wouldn’t have manifested as a Shardblade. (I think?) Other than that we have little to go on. The furtther a Radiant is with the progression of Ideals, the deeper the bond; Notum even says to Kaladin about Syl’s bond to him that “killing you would free her—though it would be painful for her. There are other ways, at least until the Final Ideal is sworn.” So given how Maya has “come around” so much, it’d be most plausible if she had been at the shallowest Ideal possible to become a Blade, i.e., the Third. That said - what happened to all the spren bonded only to the first and second Ideals at the time of the Recreance? It seems implausible that all but ten honorspren were not only bonded to a Windrunner at that time, but to Windrunners of the 3+ Ideal? 2
alder24 Posted May 29, 2023 Posted May 29, 2023 16 hours ago, robardin said: That said - what happened to all the spren bonded only to the first and second Ideals at the time of the Recreance? It seems implausible that all but ten honorspren were not only bonded to a Windrunner at that time, but to Windrunners of the 3+ Ideal? One Honorspren said that there were 2000 Honorspren bonded during Recreance, all deadeye now. I think spren before 3rd Ideal would turn into deadeye in CR, never manifesting in PR as a Shardblade. 2
Letryx13 Posted May 30, 2023 Posted May 30, 2023 (edited) On 5/29/2023 at 9:30 AM, alder24 said: One Honorspren said that there were 2000 Honorspren bonded during Recreance, all deadeye now. I think spren before 3rd Ideal would turn into deadeye in CR, never manifesting in PR as a Shardblade. Hard to say on that one. We know, thanks to Dalinar's vision of the Recreance, that not all spren turned into dead eye blades are currently accounted for. So it's possible that they're in some other state besides shard blades. But I think there's some massive cash of blades and plate in the Shinnovar mountains or somewhere on the western section of Roshar. Edited May 30, 2023 by Letryx13 Misspelling
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