Who is the most Invested non-Shard character in the Cosmere?

[Walter The Moral]

I was thinking about who the most Invested character in the Cosmere might be. Susebron is very Invested, and Rashek is a sliver. The Stormfather is also very invested, but probably not as much as Rysn. Rysn might currently be more invested than Hoid, but Hoid also held a Dawnshard at some point, so maybe they would have been about equal.

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The dragons are probably also very invested, since Xisis is was shown to have acces to Nalthis magic.

What do you think? Who’s the most Invested?

Edited May 9, 2023 by Walter The Moral

[alder24]

32 minutes ago, Walter The Moral said:

I was thinking about who the most Invested character in the Cosmere might be. Susebron is very Invested, and Rashek is a sliver. The Stormfather is also very invested, but probably not as much as Rysn. Rysn might currently be more invested than Hoid, but Hoid also held a Dawnshard at some point, so maybe they would have been about equal. 

what do you think? Who’s the most Invested?

Candidates: Susebron and Rysn among humans, Stormfather among spren, Nightblood is its own category. 

But Rysn is more invested than Susebron, both Stormfather and Nightblood too, so it's the competition between those three. I would say Stormfather, because he holds the biggest remnants of Honor, which puts him halfway to becoming a Shard.

Hoid held Dawnshard in the past, but not now, that makes him less invested than Rysn and Susebron. 

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College_advice12

Who is more invested, Susebron or Nomad?

Brandon Sanderson

Nomad- uhhhh. Oh oh, that's a hard one. Nomad was, but is no longer. So Susebron. I was gonna say Nomad, but he doesn't have the Dawnshard anymore. So not anymore, Susebron would be more invested than he would be at this point. But Nomad can feed upon Investiture, so he could overtake that threshold in the right circumstances. But not currently. Currently he can't even get himself Connected to the planet to speak the language, so.

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Here is the decisive WoB - Nightblood is less invested than Stormfater:

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Questioner

You've previously said that Nightblood is the most powerful non-Shardic being in the Cosmere. Is he more powerful than the Unmade or Stormfather in terms of raw Investiture?

Brandon Sanderson

Raw Investiture? Here's the thing, when you say powerful, it can mean lots of different things. More raw Investiture than the Stormfather... probably not. Than the Unmade, probably. I would have to look, I don't have the numbers on this. But the Stormfather is very restricted in what he can do.

Orem Signing (March 16, 2019)

 

Between Rysn and Stormfather, I say Stormfather is more invested, because of Honor's pieces, but that's because we don't know how much invested Dawnshards are. Both of them can rightfully be claimed to be the most invested entities in Cosmere (without Shards).

 

32 minutes ago, Walter The Moral said:

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The dragons are probably also very invested, since axis is was shown to have acces to Nalthis magic.

 

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Edited May 8, 2023 by alder24

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2 minutes ago, alder24 said:

Candidates: Susebron and Rysn among humans, Stormfather among spren, Nightblood is its own category. 

But Rysn is more invested than Susebron, both Stormfather and Nightblood too, so it's the competition between those three. I would say Stormfather, because he holds the biggest remnants of Honor, which puts him halfway to becoming a Shard.

Hoid held Dawnshard in the past, but not now, that makes him less invested than Rysn and Susebron. 

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Who is more invested, Susebron or Nomad?

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Nomad- uhhhh. Oh oh, that's a hard one. Nomad was, but is no longer. So Susebron. I was gonna say Nomad, but he doesn't have the Dawnshard anymore. So not anymore, Susebron would be more invested than he would be at this point. But Nomad can feed upon Investiture, so he could overtake that threshold in the right circumstances. But not currently. Currently he can't even get himself Connected to the planet to speak the language, so.

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You've previously said that Nightblood is the most powerful non-Shardic being in the Cosmere. Is he more powerful than the Unmade or Stormfather in terms of raw Investiture?

Brandon Sanderson

Raw Investiture? Here's the thing, when you say powerful, it can mean lots of different things. More raw Investiture than the Stormfather... probably not. Than the Unmade, probably. I would have to look, I don't have the numbers on this. But the Stormfather is very restricted in what he can do.

Orem Signing (March 16, 2019)

 

Between Rysn and Stormfather, I say Stormfather is more invested, because of Honor's pieces, but that's because we don't know how much invested Dawnshards are. Both of them can rightfully be claimed to be the most invested entities in Cosmere (without Shards).

 

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One more category of contender, I think:  [TotES Spoiler] 

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The Primal Aethers.  

 

[alder24]

28 minutes ago, Quantus said:

One more category of contender, I think:  [TotES Spoiler] 

Well, also TLM spoilers. Very good point, you're right. They could rival Stormfather/Rysn. They themselves claim to be co-equal to Adonalsium, and it might be true that they could be the most invested:

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Is Adonalsium a unique being or are—were—there others?

Brandon Sanderson

RAFO! The aethers would say that there were lots. That there's like a bunch of aethers and Adonalsium. That they were co-equals. The aethers would say there were lots of them.

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[cometaryorbit]

Yeah, I think as written, the Primal Aethers like Silajana.

If we exclude them as "Shard equivalents" then it's probably either the Stormfather or a major Avatar (Patji?).

If those are also outside the spirit of the question, and we're really looking for "most Invested person who primarily exists in the Physical Realm", then I'd say it's a Dawnshard - "currently" Rysn, but Hoid was probably more Invested when he held one (Rysn specifically doesn't have anything else, and Hoid was at least already a Lightweaver).