Properties of God metals

[therunner he/him]

So, with TLM out we have learned a bit more about godmetals.
They have seemingly three properties in common

1. Spectrographically they saturate all bands + additional band different for each metal which is 'out of charts'.
2. They are heavily Invested (since they are Investiture).
3. They cannot undergo phase transition using purely physical means (i.e. you possibly cannot melt them into liquid Investiture just via heating them up).

Interestingly other physical properties seem to differ (e.g. explosiveness of Harmonium and it being soft, Trellium being brittle, Raysium conducting Investiture etc.)
What is more interesting is that they have also unique properties, which to me seem to be possibly linked to Intent of the Shard

1. Harmonium replicated ('harmonizes') with nearby Invested effects.
2. Trellium (Bavadium) metal of Autonomy is repulsed by Investiture of other Intent (or at least Harmony, but I assume it generalizes).
3. Raysium conducts Investiture, which I am not sure how it relates to Odium's Intent (though Voidlight enflames emotion, so possibly relation there).

Finally, both Honorblades (made of Tanavastium) and Shardblades (made of alloy of Tanavastium) are nearly unbreakable (only Nightblood having caused damage). I propose that is a natural property of the metal, since it is metal of Shard with Intent of Oaths in the sense of binding things together, so having a God Metal that is supernaturally strongly bound makes sense.
So proposal is that Tavanastium (and alloys) is metal far harder and stronger (in the sense of physical property) than any other god metal.

Edited March 29, 2023 by therunner
Edit: typo

[Through The Living Grub He/Him]

I think Harmony is actually Discord because it is extremely reactive to anything that exists and when put together with Trellium ot WATER it is an extremely powerful bomb!

[Trusk'our he/him]

On 3/29/2023 at 10:49 AM, therunner said:

So, with TLM out we have learned a bit more about godmetals.
They have seemingly three properties in common

1. Spectrographically they saturate all bands + additional band different for each metal which is 'out of charts'.
2. They are heavily Invested (since they are Investiture).
3. They cannot undergo phase transition using purely physical means (i.e. you possibly cannot melt them into liquid Investiture just via heating them up).

Interestingly other physical properties seem to differ (e.g. explosiveness of Harmonium and it being soft, Trellium being brittle, Raysium conducting Investiture etc.)
What is more interesting is that they have also unique properties, which to me seem to be possibly linked to Intent of the Shard

1. Harmonium replicated ('harmonizes') with nearby Invested effects.
2. Trellium (Bavadium) metal of Autonomy is repulsed by Investiture of other Intent (or at least Harmony, but I assume it generalizes).
3. Raysium conducts Investiture, which I am not sure how it relates to Odium's Intent (though Voidlight enflames emotion, so possibly relation there).

Finally, both Honorblades (made of Tanavastium) and Shardblades (made of alloy of Tanavastium) are nearly unbreakable (only Nightblood having caused damage). I propose that is a natural property of the metal, since it is metal of Shard with Intent of Oaths in the sense of binding things together, so having a God Metal that is supernaturally strongly bound makes sense.
So proposal is that Tavanastium (and alloys) is metal far harder and stronger (in the sense of physical property) than any other god metal.

I like this theory! It feels very logical, and makes a lot of sense.

And yeah, the Intent of the Shard I'm certain is one of the big factors of some of the God metal's properties, such as why Tanavastium is so tough.

On 3/30/2023 at 11:16 AM, Xiahida said:

I think Harmony is actually Discord because it is extremely reactive to anything that exists and when put together with Trellium ot WATER it is an extremely powerful bomb!

Yup, I'm pretty sure the reason Harmonium is so reactive is because of Sazed's difficulty in using both Shards together well. Makes me wonder what would happen if he learned to control them better, or if he tried to favor one Shard over the other?

[alder24]

7 hours ago, Trusk'our said:

Yup, I'm pretty sure the reason Harmonium is so reactive is because of Sazed's difficulty in using both Shards together well. Makes me wonder what would happen if he learned to control them better, or if he tried to favor one Shard over the other?

He is doing it right now. He's favoring Preservation and limiting Ruin, and that's likely causing Harmonium reactivity. He's not in Harmony despite what he is saying. I think the problem is that he sees both Preservation and Ruin as separate Shards in opposition to each other, rather than one Shard of Harmony. After all, these Shards were able to harmoniously work together to create Scadrial and sapient humans, Sazed however is using either Preservation part of Harmony or Ruin part to achieve his goal.

[Trusk'our he/him]

3 hours ago, alder24 said:

He is doing it right now. He's favoring Preservation and limiting Ruin, and that's likely causing Harmonium reactivity. He's not in Harmony despite what he is saying. I think the problem is that he sees both Preservation and Ruin as separate Shards in opposition to each other, rather than one Shard of Harmony. After all, these Shards were able to harmoniously work together to create Scadrial and sapient humans, Sazed however is using either Preservation part of Harmony or Ruin part to achieve his goal.

True. The Ars Arcanum says about as much; he's favoring Preservation.

Which is especially weird, seeing as how Sazed possesses more Ruin, causing the incongruency of the two Shards to be inflamed even more.

[Argenti he/him]

Sazed really needs therapy.

[Through The Living Grub He/Him]

So if he viewed himself as Harmony instead of two opposite shards he could have access to the power of the Shard's without blocking the power?

[Argenti he/him]

5 hours ago, Xiahida said:

So if he viewed himself as Harmony instead of two opposite shards he could have access to the power of the Shard's without blocking the power?

Almost, his intent would probably still be difficult to work with, but the whole "OMG I'M GONNA SPLIT IN HALF AND TURN INTO DISCORD" probably wouldn't happen.

[Leuthie]

11 minutes ago, Argenti said:

Almost, his intent would probably still be difficult to work with, but the whole "OMG I'M GONNA SPLIT IN HALF AND TURN INTO DISCORD" probably wouldn't happen.

Discord isn't "splitting in half", it's simply favoring Ruin over Preservation in the mix.

There is no natural crossover of the Intents Sazed is holding. No matter what he favors (Harmony vs Discord), the two Intents will always be in opposition and he'll always be paralyzed by them. Harmonium (or Discordium) will always be an unstable God metal.

He needs a third Intent to bridge the two. Invention, Ambition, Virtuosity, or Cultivation could all provide a stabilizing force to the two opposing Intents. Anything that pushes the Harmony/Discord duality toward a Creative force.

[alder24]

6 minutes ago, Leuthie said:

He needs a third Intent to bridge the two. Invention, Ambition, Virtuosity, or Cultivation could all provide a stabilizing force to the two opposing Intents. Anything that pushes the Harmony/Discord duality toward a Creative force.

I don't think he needs a third Shard. Ruin and Preservation were already a harmonious, Creative force, without any need for a third Shard, and created Scardial and humanity. That proves both Ruin and Preservation can work together without being paralyzed.

[therunner he/him]

1 hour ago, alder24 said:

I don't think he needs a third Shard. Ruin and Preservation were already a harmonious, Creative force, without any need for a third Shard, and created Scardial and humanity. That proves both Ruin and Preservation can work together without being paralyzed.

I don't think that the people Ruin would kill per the original deal between Ruin and Preservation would consider that cooperation 'harmonious'.

They can work together to create, but the cost is that they must then also let it be destroyed/destroy it.

[alder24]

19 minutes ago, therunner said:

I don't think that the people Ruin would kill per the original deal between Ruin and Preservation would consider that cooperation 'harmonious'.

They can work together to create, but the cost is that they must then also let it be destroyed/destroy it.

That was the original deal between Ruin and Preservation, now fulfilled. But that was kind of the fault of Ruin who was pushing for fast destruction, even though he claimed that the end will come sooner or later, he wanted it to happen sooner.

But you know, as long as you cause some destruction, you'll be ok, it doesn't need to be on Scadrial, or the thing that was created, you could destroy some Autonomy's Avatars and her business on other world and it will be ok  

[Leuthie]

On 4/5/2023 at 1:46 PM, alder24 said:

That was the original deal between Ruin and Preservation, now fulfilled. But that was kind of the fault of Ruin who was pushing for fast destruction, even though he claimed that the end will come sooner or later, he wanted it to happen sooner.

But you know, as long as you cause some destruction, you'll be ok, it doesn't need to be on Scadrial, or the thing that was created, you could destroy some Autonomy's Avatars and her business on other world and it will be ok  

Short term creation that resulted in imbalance and eventual destruction. Not sure that's what Sazed or anyone on Scadrial want. Sazed can manage just as Preservation managed. Eventually, Ruin will have what it needs or the whole system will have to reset just as it did before. 

Sazed needs another Shard to break that cycle.