The End

[Tea Leaf]

So... how do y'all think the Comere is going to end? My personal guess is that Andolisium will be put back together... there was a WOB that said it was possible, and era 4 Scadrial worldhopping...

Edited March 23, 2023 by The last Fae in the Woods

[alder24]

The very end? I personally am a big supporter of the Heat Death hypothesis. 

But yeah, Adonalsium will be restored, before that Sazed gonna figure out his troubles, on Roshar Honor and Odium will be combined into War Shard, and Roshar will be in conflict with Scadrial, Shards will likely be gathering more Shards to "overpower" themselfs, until someone else will restore Adonalsium. 

Or people will realize that Shards only cause pain and suffering, and they Splinter them into very small pieces and prevent them from ever combining again, so nobody would ever Ascend.

[Argenti he/him]

7 hours ago, alder24 said:

Or people will realize that Shards only cause pain and suffering, and they Splinter them into very small pieces and prevent them from ever combining again, so nobody would ever Ascend.

And then, since there is no one to provide magic, it would fade and eventful be forgotten... After that the CR slowly vanishes as people forget about it and the spiritual realm is inaccessible. Truly the heat death of Magic

[alder24]

13 hours ago, Argenti said:

And then, since there is no one to provide magic, it would fade and eventful be forgotten... After that the CR slowly vanishes as people forget about it and the spiritual realm is inaccessible. Truly the heat death of Magic

Not necessarily. Invested arts aren't given by Shards, they are the natural manifestations of Shard's influence. On Sel, despite Splintering of Devotion and Dominion, magic is still active. On Roshar, Honor got Splintered, but Radiants are almost the same as before that. This might change if a Shard got splinter to such small fragments, that nobody can Ascend, but those Splinters will become sentient - that's sprens for you, they are Splinters, they grant powers. Invested arts will change, likely they will get weaker and more restrictive, but they will prevail, as investiture is part of the natural world, just like matter and energy is part of our Universe. You can't separate energy or matter from our Universe, in the same way you can't separate Investiture from Cosmere. 

[Argenti he/him]

2 hours ago, alder24 said:

Not necessarily. Invested arts aren't given by Shards, they are the natural manifestations of Shard's influence. On Sel, despite Splintering of Devotion and Dominion, magic is still active. On Roshar, Honor got Splintered, but Radiants are almost the same as before that. This might change if a Shard got splinter to such small fragments, that nobody can Ascend, but those Splinters will become sentient - that's sprens for you, they are Splinters, they grant powers. Invested arts will change, likely they will get weaker and more restrictive, but they will prevail, as investiture is part of the natural world, just like matter and energy is part of our Universe. You can't separate energy or matter from our Universe, in the same way you can't separate Investiture from Cosmere. 

I know  I was just messing with people

We can only guess at how it all ends, just like real life.

[HSuperLee]

I'm reminded of a Robert Frost poem:

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Some say the world will end in fire,

Some say in ice.

From what I’ve tasted of desire

I hold with those who favor fire.

But if it had to perish twice,

I think I know enough of hate

To say that for destruction ice

Is also great

And would suffice.

Personally, I'd rather the Cosmere end in fire than ice, possibly even in the process of being reforged into something new. I just don't like the Cosmere eventually being empty and devoid of life as the universe slowly winds down. However, I'm not too fond of the idea of it becoming like WoT where the universe is in a long-term steady state and cycles just repeat themselves. So, basically, I hope the Cosmere experiences a radical transformation into something new when it finally comes to the end.

[Trusk'our he/him]

On 3/23/2023 at 9:14 AM, alder24 said:

The very end? I personally am a big supporter of the Heat Death hypothesis. 

But yeah, Adonalsium will be restored, before that Sazed gonna figure out his troubles, on Roshar Honor and Odium will be combined into War Shard, and Roshar will be in conflict with Scadrial, Shards will likely be gathering more Shards to "overpower" themselfs, until someone else will restore Adonalsium. 

Or people will realize that Shards only cause pain and suffering, and they Splinter them into very small pieces and prevent them from ever combining again, so nobody would ever Ascend.

 

31 minutes ago, HSuperLee said:

I'm reminded of a Robert Frost poem:

Personally, I'd rather the Cosmere end in fire than ice, possibly even in the process of being reforged into something new. I just don't like the Cosmere eventually being empty and devoid of life as the universe slowly winds down. However, I'm not too fond of the idea of it becoming like WoT where the universe is in a long-term steady state and cycles just repeat themselves. So, basically, I hope the Cosmere experiences a radical transformation into something new when it finally comes to the end.

I'm not sure that the Cosmere has the same kind of issue with eventually losing all energy to entropy as the real universe does. 

Investiture seems to always return to the spiritual realm, which can then be used to bring energy back to the physical realm. It's (as far as we can tell) an endless cycle, so even if all stars eventually burned out in the Cosmere, people could use Investiture to sustain themselves.

Plus, Shards (or Adonalsium reborn) might intervene and create new stars to sustain life.

[alder24]

5 hours ago, HSuperLee said:

Personally, I'd rather the Cosmere end in fire than ice, possibly even in the process of being reforged into something new. I just don't like the Cosmere eventually being empty and devoid of life as the universe slowly winds down. However, I'm not too fond of the idea of it becoming like WoT where the universe is in a long-term steady state and cycles just repeat themselves. So, basically, I hope the Cosmere experiences a radical transformation into something new when it finally comes to the end.

Ah, I see you're more on the side of the Big Bounce hypothesis  

[HSuperLee]

16 minutes ago, alder24 said:

Ah, I see you're more on the side of the Big Bounce hypothesis  

Never even heard of it. I'm religious, so my opinion on the end of the universe has a much more eternal spin on things, but that's not exactly something to discuss on this forum. I assume the Big Bounce is based on the idea of the Big Crunch leading to a revitalization of the universe. But that's just a guess based on the name.

[alder24]

11 minutes ago, HSuperLee said:

Never even heard of it. I'm religious, so my opinion on the end of the universe has a much more eternal spin on things, but that's not exactly something to discuss on this forum. I assume the Big Bounce is based on the idea of the Big Crunch leading to a revitalization of the universe. But that's just a guess based on the name.

Yes, the Universe is now expanding, acceleration is increasing, but in some time it would start to decrease, then gravity would win, the Universe would start to contract into smaller and denser regions, until everything would collapse into singularity, and something there would happen, which would cause another Big Bang, expansion, contraction, and another Big Bang, and so on. Edit: so in every new cycle the Universe would be "transformed", who knows, maybe even with different laws of physics?

Edited March 24, 2023 by alder24

[Ascended Grubberfly He/Him]

22 hours ago, Argenti said:

And then, since there is no one to provide magic, it would fade and eventful be forgotten... After that the CR slowly vanishes as people forget about it and the spiritual realm is inaccessible. Truly the heat death of Magic

Is this why I can't burn metals?

[Argenti he/him]

3 hours ago, Xiahida said:

Is this why I can't burn metals?

Yup! We live in the cosmere a billion years post-recreance.

[Little_Dagger she/her]

Honestly, I don't care how it ends. The day I finish the last Comere book, I will cry anyway 

[Ascended Grubberfly He/Him]

On 3/25/2023 at 3:43 AM, Yuliya said:

Honestly, I don't care how it ends. The day I finish the last Comere book, I will cry anyway 

Same here

[Nasax he/him]

I am on bord with the "Adonalsium is put back together" theorie. I believe that this is one of the reasons Hoid ist collecting invested arts.

It gives him a connection to every shard, and as we know a connection is needed to pick up a shard in the first place.

I am also very interested in why Adonalsium was killed anyway. What did the original vessels fear? And if the Hoid theory ist true: Why did he change his mind. I guess he once was OK with Adonalsium beeing killed.

Maybe the new Adonalsium won't be the same. After all, the Shards may have changed over time since they were seperated.

[Tea Leaf]

On 3/25/2023 at 3:43 AM, Yuliya said:

Honestly, I don't care how it ends. The day I finish the last Comere book, I will cry anyway 

Ditto Maybe it could go on post Recollection, Invested arts would still work the roughly same, as has been already showed in a few cases in both directions.

6 hours ago, Nasax said:

I am on bord with the "Adonalsium is put back together" theorie. I believe that this is one of the reasons Hoid ist collecting invested arts.

It gives him a connection to every shard, and as we know a connection is needed to pick up a shard in the first place.

I am also very interested in why Adonalsium was killed anyway. What did the original vessels fear? And if the Hoid theory ist true: Why did he change his mind. I guess he once was OK with Adonalsium beeing killed.

Maybe the new Adonalsium won't be the same. After all, the Shards may have changed over time since they were seperated.

I didn't think of Hoid, I really should have, it would make sense.

[Trusk'our he/him]

On 3/24/2023 at 3:42 PM, HSuperLee said:

Never even heard of it. I'm religious, so my opinion on the end of the universe has a much more eternal spin on things, but that's not exactly something to discuss on this forum. 

Heh, same here. 

But of course, that doesn't necessarily mean that the Cosmere will end the way the IRL universe will.