Long Game 90: Undiluted Powers

[Shining Silhouette he/him]

11 minutes ago, Illwei said:

of course i couldn't have done it without my village buddies silver and shining :).

Yay for me not changing my mind in the wrong direction :P.

3 minutes ago, Whysper said:

Nice job, Illwei! That felt like a random guess, but at least it worked.

Archivist was the most elimmy new player for me too, so I'm glad I switched

2 minutes ago, Illwei said:

I'm not going to ask for any lurcher if you exist to be on me, but i think you should choose between me/shining/silver (maybe cin), and I'm the most confirmed since my shot on wiz.

I like protecting Illwei. Let's set up a fun IKYK! :D.

I'll go find what Archivist had to say and see if we get any fun info

[Mat he/him]

1 minute ago, Illwei said:

Why shouldn't that have worked mat? It was obvious that the day wasn't going anywhere ( I still think danex/archer are aligned, regardless of if it's w/w or v/v, leaning v/v) and it wasn't a random guess. this is why we have a PoE, and mine didn't include Danex or Archer at the time.

Because as Whysper mentioned, it was a random guess :P. I say shouldn’t as in like, no analysis led to it, it was spur of the moment and luck based. Luck can work out but normally isn’t the best thing to count on. Idk what I’m arguing since it obviously worked out in this case though 

I’d also disagree that the day wasn’t going anywhere. We had three trains with moving parts and now we have a dead elim but less info than if Archer or Bookwyrm or Dannex had flipped elim 

Your PoE might not have had Dannex or Archer but everyone else’s did.

[Shining Silhouette he/him]

9 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Idk what I’m arguing since it obviously worked out in this case though 

Yeah an elim is an elim :P.

Just wanted to say my guess from D1, 

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"Fourth is the one who dives headfirst"

is somewhat correct. Archivist didn't dive themself, but they were pushed in rather quickly and made a large splash :P.

 

Turns out Archivist made only one reads list this game if I'm correct 

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Archivist: Their posts just seem not-village-like to me. They didn't vote C1 (which I would expect from elims if v!xino), and I've already brought up this post but the fact that they never followed up on the question is odd. And this post feels like a classic elim one-liner flip reaction post.

 

Yeah, this is just me trying to get information for a read. I'm horribly indecisive, so I've been pretty much on the sidelines this whole time deciding what to say. I think I'm just going to give my perspective on Mat, Turtle, and Stick because they're the only ones with votes right now and I don't trust myself enough to bring up suspicion on a completely different person.

So @Matrim's Dice:

He's seemed kind of defensive, pretty much always retaliating when someone votes him or is accusatory. This might just be typical and it would make sense for a vil trying to keep themself alive. Overall, he's been contributing a lot with his own reads and such. Still, I think slight elim lean for him.

Next is @Turtle:

I sort of agree with Shadow that they haven't been contributing much and have been focusing a lot on their image. So sight elim lean there as well, maybe a little more than Mat because Mat has been making what at least look to me like positive contributions.

And then @_Stick_:

The vote on her came from the reasoning that she voted a lot without saying why, but she did recently do a big reads post, so if that's the only reason to be suspicious of her than that makes her neutral in my eyes.

I'm going to go ahead and vote Turtle for now, but definitely subject to change. I'm open to chat about this stuff whether it be on the thread or in PM.

Think this is a point for Mat IMO

Edited November 2, 2022 by Shining Silhouette
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[Illwei]

We didn't have three trains with moving parts, we had three people with like 2 votes each and people obviously not feeling threatened because of it.

@Shining Silhouette there's a level 0 tell that can work on new players called the rule of three, it's not damning but it feeds on my mat suspicion and the annoyance he's showing right now at having voted out an elim by supposed luck. but since stick and turtle were both village, mat's the 3.

Edited November 2, 2022 by Illwei

[+Whysper she/her]

4 minutes ago, Shining Silhouette said:

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Yeah, this is just me trying to get information for a read. I'm horribly indecisive, so I've been pretty much on the sidelines this whole time deciding what to say. I think I'm just going to give my perspective on Mat, Turtle, and Stick because they're the only ones with votes right now and I don't trust myself enough to bring up suspicion on a completely different person.

So @Matrim's Dice:

He's seemed kind of defensive, pretty much always retaliating when someone votes him or is accusatory. This might just be typical and it would make sense for a vil trying to keep themself alive. Overall, he's been contributing a lot with his own reads and such. Still, I think slight elim lean for him.

Next is @Turtle:

I sort of agree with Shadow that they haven't been contributing much and have been focusing a lot on their image. So sight elim lean there as well, maybe a little more than Mat because Mat has been making what at least look to me like positive contributions.

And then @_Stick_:

The vote on her came from the reasoning that she voted a lot without saying why, but she did recently do a big reads post, so if that's the only reason to be suspicious of her than that makes her neutral in my eyes.

I'm going to go ahead and vote Turtle for now, but definitely subject to change. I'm open to chat about this stuff whether it be on the thread or in PM.

Think this is a point for Mat IMO

Point for Mat which way?  This actually looks bad for Mat since both the others flipped Villager. When an Elim presents a list with 3 people, usually 1 of 3 is a partner.

[Shining Silhouette he/him]

Fascinating.

@Matrim's Dice, guess we caught you :P.

[Mat he/him]

Just now, Shining Silhouette said:

Fascinating.

@Matrim's Dice, guess we caught you :P.

Oh no :P.

My counterpoint to Whysper would be that my inclusion in that list is NAI, since Archivist was commenting on the people up for the exe and didn't select me, or turtle/shadow, to comment on specifically.

[+Whysper she/her]

Just now, Matrim's Dice said:

My counterpoint to Whysper would be that my inclusion in that list is NAI, since Archivist was commenting on the people up for the exe and didn't select me, or turtle/shadow, to comment on specifically.

Oh wait, I missed that part of the context. Hmm, I agree that sort of lessens that theory. Though interesting that they did pretty much Elim lean all 3 of you instead of removing at least one person from consideration.

[Illwei]

That's a good counterpoint

Also he didn't lean elim on stick, he had her as null.

[Shining Silhouette he/him]

Illwei, Mat, Whysper, while you're here, what POEs are you looking at currently?

[+Whysper she/her]

1 minute ago, Illwei said:

Also he didn't lean elim on stick, he had her as null.

Oh true, I need to be reading these quotes more carefully. Haha  

[Shining Silhouette he/him]

1 minute ago, Whysper said:

Oh true, I need to be reading these quotes more carefully. Haha  

I don't blame you, my quote was pretty cursed

[+Whysper she/her]

1 minute ago, Shining Silhouette said:

Illwei, Mat, Whysper, while you're here, what POEs are you looking at currently?

Well, going from the team comp I had earlier and taking out Archivist, I guess I would have the following:

• Archer/Dannex 

• Mat/Shining 

• TUN/Silvereye/Bookwyrm

But then considering this last vote, if I decide to remove Shining and Silvereye I would get this:

• Archer/Dannex 

• Mat 

• TUN/Bookwyrm

And that seems possible to me

[dannnex male]

37 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Also someone shoot Dannex pls? :P.

no don't shoot dannnnnex pls

why would you shoot dannnex pls

30 minutes ago, Illwei said:

I would prefer you not shoot Danex, Cin.

yes i agree (unbiased)

that was the most wild EoD
i was trying to figure out where this archivist train came from when cycle ended
but like, i guess it worked soooooo cool!
we are all of the agreement that illwei is conf-vil right

[Shining Silhouette he/him]

So you believe Mat is an elim?

[Mat he/him]

Just now, Shining Silhouette said:

Illwei, Mat, Whysper, while you're here, what POEs are you looking at currently?

Whysper/TUN are in the PoE as people who weren't there.

Dannex is there for voting Archer. Though I suppose he was mega ninjad.

My initial thought was that Silver was clear unless they were specifically told by a teammate to bus, but looking back on it they never mentioned interest in voting Archivist and their vote seems extremely out of place. @Just a Silvereye, what made you switch to Archivist? To be clear I do think e!Silvereye leads to e!SomeoneElseWhoWasAroundAtRollover more likely than not but /shrug

Archer definitely could have been bussing so he stays. Shining almost definitely wasn't though.

I guess level one PoE is [Whysper, TUN, Dannex, Archer] and level two includes [Silvereye, Cin]

[+Whysper she/her]

1 minute ago, Shining Silhouette said:

So you believe Mat is an elim?

I think so. Originally my gut feel was that he was Villager. But as I was looking at really who was left and what the team would have to have, I guess I kind of start seeing him as Elim. I think he fits with either Archer or Dannex. And I particularly started seeing his comments about Archer as being distancing if Archer is Elim.

[Illwei]

2 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Whysper/TUN are in the PoE as people who weren't there.

Dannex is there for voting Archer. Though I suppose he was mega ninjad.

My initial thought was that Silver was clear unless they were specifically told by a teammate to bus, but looking back on it they never mentioned interest in voting Archivist and their vote seems extremely out of place. @Just a Silvereye, what made you switch to Archivist? To be clear I do think e!Silvereye leads to e!SomeoneElseWhoWasAroundAtRollover more likely than not but /shrug

Archer definitely could have been bussing so he stays. Shining almost definitely wasn't though.

I guess level one PoE is [Whysper, TUN, Dannex, Archer] and level two includes [Silvereye, Cin]

This is mildly where I'm at, with Whysper, TUN, Bookwyrm and then cin as a conditional

[+Whysper she/her]

2 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Whysper/TUN are in the PoE as people who weren't there.

Weren't where? You mean EoD? Yeah, I was there and watching what was unfolding, but thought my vote on Archer was fine to stay there.

[+Whysper she/her]

2 minutes ago, Illwei said:

This is mildly where I'm at, with Whysper, TUN, Bookwyrm and then cin as a conditional

So you don't think there were really any experienced players from the start? Who would you say was leading this team primarily?

[Shining Silhouette he/him]

Just now, Illwei said:

This is mildly where I'm at, with Whysper, TUN, Bookwyrm and then cin as a conditional

 @EveryoneExceptTUN, Out of these candidates, TUN is probably the most vil for me

 

[Mat he/him]

4 minutes ago, Whysper said:

Yeah, I was there and watching what was unfolding, but thought my vote on Archer was fine to stay there.

The truth comes out :eyes:

At least I made my presence known :P.

[+Whysper she/her]

Just now, Matrim's Dice said:

The truth comes out :eyes:

At least I made my presence known :P.

Ummm, you can see people at the bottom, can't you?  I didn't feel the need to insert any useless comments into the mix.  

[Shining Silhouette he/him]

*inserts useless comment into the mix*

Currently looking at variations of E!Dan and E!Archer/Devo

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

1 hour ago, Shining Silhouette said:

 @EveryoneExceptTUN, 

How did you do this?

@EveryoneExceptTUN, 

Edited November 2, 2022 by The Unknown Novel
What is this witchcraft?