Allomancer Lift

[Adonlasium]

Alright Lift somehow makes it to Scadrial and consumes a Lerasium bead she is now an allomancer. I think that burning metals for her would give her stormlight and become way more powerful, like insta-savant powerful. Thoughts?

 

[The Bookwyrm he/him]

The weird thing about Lift is that she can get investiture from food. So, eating food gives her the fuel needed for her Surgebinding. However, if she were to burn Lerasium and become a Mistborn, I think that burning metals would not really affect her Surgebinding at all, but rather act like normal allomancy. This is because the metals she is burning are specifically keyed toward allomancy, and therefore do not affect her other powers when she is burning them.

But certain aspects of Allomancy (and Feruchemy, I might add) have weird effects on investiture, specifically the enhancement metals (Aluminum, Duralumin, Chromium, Nicrosil). It's possible that if a Surgebinder (or anyone using another kind of magic) were to access the enhancement metals in both Allomancy and Feruchemy, then we'd have amplified effects of those other magic systems.

This is why I'm excited for Mistborn Era 4: In the Cosmere's space age, we'll get to see an interesting mixing of investiture. 

So you're theorizing in the right place, though I think in the end it will probably be more complicated.

[Adonlasium]

but it would be metabolized turning it into investiture plus she is closer to the cognitive realm and that would mean that burning mental metals would be increased further. plus she's just plain weird so I don't see why not.

[Quivil]

She uses a different light for her surgebinding, and just happens to be able to create that light. I think she's partly closer to the cognitive and partly just closer to Cultivation.

[Frustration]

Lift cannot metabolize metals

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Tiek00n

What would happen if Lift ate aluminum or other Allomantic metals? 

Brandon

Lift would not be able to do anything with Allomantic metals. Good question.

Tiek00n

Does that include turning them into Stormlight?

Brandon

Yes, that includes turning them into Stormlight.

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[EmulatonStromenkiin he/him]

8 hours ago, Frustration said:

Lift cannot metabolize metals

 

Yes, but this is given that she is not an allomancer. as a necessity, all alomancers can effectively metabolize metals.

[Frustration]

5 hours ago, EmulatonStromenkiin said:

Yes, but this is given that she is not an allomancer. as a necessity, all alomancers can effectively metabolize metals.

That is true, however I don't think that those two abilities will be as easy to hack togather as OP suggests.

[EmulatonStromenkiin he/him]

2 minutes ago, Frustration said:

That is true, however I don't think that those two abilities will be as easy to hack togather as OP suggests.

That may be. We just have to figure out how to get Stormlight to fuel allomacy.

[Tamriel Wolfsbaine]

On 5/3/2022 at 9:37 AM, EmulatonStromenkiin said:

That may be. We just have to figure out how to get Stormlight to fuel allomacy.

This would have been my question. Less of a question like "can lift use metals to fuel surgebinding?"   I think the real question is this...

Is old magic limited to only rosharan systems?  Can lifts old magic fuel other powers from other systems if she were to gain allomancy?   If Lift used lerasium would she be able to fuel allomancy with food through old magic?  

[EmulatonStromenkiin he/him]

2 minutes ago, Tamriel Wolfsbaine said:

This would have been my question. Less of a question like "can lift use metals to fuel surgebinding?"   I think the real question is this...

Is old magic limited to only rosharan systems?  Can lifts old magic fuel other powers from other systems if she were to gain allomancy?   If Lift used lerasium would she be able to fuel allomancy with food through old magic?  

this probably has something to do with Intent.

[Tamriel Wolfsbaine]

24 minutes ago, EmulatonStromenkiin said:

this probably has something to do with Intent.

Intent has always been something of a gray area for me.   If Lifts intent were to use food to fuel allomancy through old magic would that then override Cultivations intent to allow her to use food to create lifelight to fuel surgebinding?  

We see that a shards intent is able to overrule the sword wielders intent to give Spook A-pewter.

In the case of Lift we don't know enough about the old magic at all for this question. We know that food energy can be converted to lifelight.  Could it be converted to become a catalyst for any system?   Could Lift learn to awaken with oldmagic?

I figure that Lift is more likely to use oldmagic to fuel other systems than being able to use breathes or metal to fuel her old magic.  

And at the end of the day even if she could intend to use old magic in ways X, Y and Z could Cultivation overturn that?   I imagine it is possible for Cultivation to have overlooked the limits and, even after one instance of Lift "abusing" the old magic, decide to abolish it.

[EmulatonStromenkiin he/him]

44 minutes ago, Tamriel Wolfsbaine said:

Intent has always been something of a gray area for me.   If Lifts intent were to use food to fuel allomancy through old magic would that then override Cultivations intent to allow her to use food to create lifelight to fuel surgebinding?  

We see that a shards intent is able to overrule the sword wielders intent to give Spook A-pewter.

In the case of Lift we don't know enough about the old magic at all for this question. We know that food energy can be converted to lifelight.  Could it be converted to become a catalyst for any system?   Could Lift learn to awaken with oldmagic?

I figure that Lift is more likely to use oldmagic to fuel other systems than being able to use breathes or metal to fuel her old magic.  

And at the end of the day even if she could intend to use old magic in ways X, Y and Z could Cultivation overturn that?   I imagine it is possible for Cultivation to have overlooked the limits and, even after one instance of Lift "abusing" the old magic, decide to abolish it.

I mostly agree, but I don not think Cultivation could abolish her power, that does not seem to be in her nature.

[Quivil]

3 hours ago, Tamriel Wolfsbaine said:

Intent has always been something of a gray area for me.   If Lifts intent were to use food to fuel allomancy through old magic would that then override Cultivations intent to allow her to use food to create lifelight to fuel surgebinding?  

We see that a shards intent is able to overrule the sword wielders intent to give Spook A-pewter.

In the case of Lift we don't know enough about the old magic at all for this question. We know that food energy can be converted to lifelight.  Could it be converted to become a catalyst for any system?   Could Lift learn to awaken with oldmagic?

I figure that Lift is more likely to use oldmagic to fuel other systems than being able to use breathes or metal to fuel her old magic.  

And at the end of the day even if she could intend to use old magic in ways X, Y and Z could Cultivation overturn that?   I imagine it is possible for Cultivation to have overlooked the limits and, even after one instance of Lift "abusing" the old magic, decide to abolish it.

2 hours ago, EmulatonStromenkiin said:

I mostly agree, but I don not think Cultivation could abolish her power, that does not seem to be in her nature.

Cultivation is about growth. She might stop Lift from "abusing" it, or she might not (because it's growth,) or she might encourage it, but I think she probably wouldn't take it away entirely.

Edited May 4, 2022 by Tani