+ShardlessVessel Posted April 1, 2022 Posted April 1, 2022 Quote AdelRD Should we assume that Sigzil’s Dawnshard is the same that Hoid used to have? Brandon Sanderson Sigzil, at one point, held the same Dawnshard that Hoid used to have. I phrased that very intentionally. Secret Project #4 Reveal and Livestream (March 29, 2022) (emphasis mine) I don't have much to elaborate here, but I want to draw attention to this word: held. One does not hold a Dawnshard. One becomes a Dawnshard. Brandon's statement that he "phrased that very intentionally" seems to imply that Sigzil is not a Dawnshard or Dawnsliver. I've seen speculation that the First Gem, Hoid's topaz, housed a Dawnshard like the mural Rysn finds in her novella. Perhaps Sigzil has held the First Gem, but didn't become the Dawnshard within. 3
+ShardlessVessel Posted April 1, 2022 Author Posted April 1, 2022 I may have jumped the gun a bit. I haven't finished the stream yet, but Brandon seems to use the term "hold" for Dawnshards quite liberally, and all but states that Nomad actually was the Dawnshard. 8
+Child of Hodor Posted April 12, 2022 Posted April 12, 2022 (edited) On 4/1/2022 at 10:32 AM, ShardlessVessel said: (emphasis mine) I don't have much to elaborate here, but I want to draw attention to this word: held. One does not hold a Dawnshard. One becomes a Dawnshard. Brandon's statement that he "phrased that very intentionally" seems to imply that Sigzil is not a Dawnshard or Dawnsliver. I've seen speculation that the First Gem, Hoid's topaz, housed a Dawnshard like the mural Rysn finds in her novella. Perhaps Sigzil has held the First Gem, but didn't become the Dawnshard within. I think you are correct, he sets it up as someone becomes a Dawnshard in the novella and if he's being careful with his wording like he says then Sigzil holding the Dawnshard means he wasn't a Dawnshard like Hoid was and Rysn is. It would be funny if he literally picked Hoid up when he was a Dawnshard or they hugged and that's what counts as "held". At one time Brandon said a person becomes a Shard and it's still used in the books somewhat. The Vessel's go by their Shard names in most cases, but he did introduce Vessel as a distinction between the Shard and the person who picked it up. We'll see if he stays consistent with Dawnshard. Edited April 12, 2022 by Child of Hodor
NameIess Posted April 12, 2022 Posted April 12, 2022 I think Brandon was emphasizing the fact that Sig doesn't have the Dawnshard anymore. That he held it in the past, but does not hold it in the present. 7
StormingTexan he/him Posted April 12, 2022 Posted April 12, 2022 36 minutes ago, Nameless said: I think Brandon was emphasizing the fact that Sig doesn't have the Dawnshard anymore. That he held it in the past, but does not hold it in the present. This is how I took it as well. Which "presently" in the case means in the future of the Cosmere so possible he held it all the way through the back five of SA but we will have to see.
Lego Mistborn he/him Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 On 4/12/2022 at 11:40 AM, Nameless said: I think Brandon was emphasizing the fact that Sig doesn't have the Dawnshard anymore. That he held it in the past, but does not hold it in the present. You can hold a position, like the office of POTUS, and you ARE the POTUS, so I really think this is the same thing.
Arclomedarian Posted April 17, 2022 Posted April 17, 2022 (edited) What if Sigzil “held” Rysn as in they were romantically involved at some point, since she is a current dawn shard. Edited April 17, 2022 by Arclomedarian 3
NameIess Posted April 17, 2022 Posted April 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Arclomedarian said: What if Sigzil “held” Rysn as in they were romantically involved at some point, since she is a current dawn shard. I doubt that would give him immortality or any of the other benefits and downsides of holding a Dawnshard. And Ryns's Dawnshard doesn't seem likely to give a no-killing effect anyways. 4
Halyo_Alex he/him Posted April 18, 2022 Posted April 18, 2022 22 hours ago, Nameless said: I doubt that would give him immortality or any of the other benefits and downsides of holding a Dawnshard. And Ryns's Dawnshard doesn't seem likely to give a no-killing effect anyways. Yeah, "Change" someone from alive to dead.
+ShardlessVessel Posted June 9, 2022 Author Posted June 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Onironte said: How does a Dawnshard change owner/carrier? Probably similar to Shards. Either someone drops it and a compatible person picks it up, or the previous Dawnshard directly grants the status of Dawnshard to someone else somehow. I assume the way Rysn became the Dawnshard That Is Not Actually Called Change is the former. But Brandon has been tight-lipped about Dawnshards so far. I'm hoping we'll know more about them in SP4 or Stormlight part 2, but I could see them being left in mystery until Dragonsteel or even Era 4.
Johnny Silverlight Posted June 19, 2022 Posted June 19, 2022 On 4/17/2022 at 11:22 AM, Nameless said: I doubt that would give him immortality or any of the other benefits and downsides of holding a Dawnshard. And Ryns's Dawnshard doesn't seem likely to give a no-killing effect anyways. Brandon has said that someone who can wield Investiture would gain more benefits and powers from a Dawnshard than someone who cannot. Rysn was not Invested when she became the Dawnshard, but Sigzil is highly Invested as a Knight Radiant. He would probably have more effect on him than her.
NameIess Posted June 19, 2022 Posted June 19, 2022 8 hours ago, Johnny Silverlight said: Brandon has said that someone who can wield Investiture would gain more benefits and powers from a Dawnshard than someone who cannot. Rysn was not Invested when she became the Dawnshard, but Sigzil is highly Invested as a Knight Radiant. He would probably have more effect on him than her. I definitely agree. Sigzil holding the Dawnshard is not the scenario I was responding to there.
HUAAAANG Posted August 31, 2022 Posted August 31, 2022 If Auxiliary is not Sigzil's original spren, then I would presume that it was his spren that somehow became the dawnshard. The statement "I phrased that very intentionally" seems to be an indication of a deliberately literal statement. 3
+Oltux72 he/him Posted September 7, 2022 Posted September 7, 2022 On 1.9.2022 at 1:07 AM, HUAAAANG said: If Auxiliary is not Sigzil's original spren, then I would presume that it was his spren that somehow became the dawnshard. The statement "I phrased that very intentionally" seems to be an indication of a deliberately literal statement. Exactly. We might take "held" absolutely literally. His spren absorbed the Dawnshard in a suicide move and became a weapon Sigzil held in his hands.
+Ookla the Leafy Posted November 27, 2022 Posted November 27, 2022 On 8/31/2022 at 7:07 PM, HUAAAANG said: If Auxiliary is not Sigzil's original spren, then I would presume that it was his spren that somehow became the dawnshard. The statement "I phrased that very intentionally" seems to be an indication of a deliberately literal statement. I'm a big fan of this idea. Sigzil was not the Dawnshard....his spren was....I could definitely get on board with this!
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