Alloy of Law Reactions *spoilers*

[Dellexe he/him]

Does anyone think that Miles will make a reappearance in the sequel?

 

His own abilities would be the mechanism, so it wouldn't that much of a deus ex machina.  

 

Probably not. His metalminds were removed, then he was shot a couple dozen times at point blank range in front of a large crowd and then had his body disposed of somehow. I'm pretty sure he's very dead.

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Oh, I just realized that the book Wax is reading in the first chapter of Shadows of Self on brandonsanderson.com is probably the book given to Marasi by Marsh. Hmm. It likely discusses Hemalurgy in some detail, judging from the bits we see. My guess is the second book will involve more Hemalurgical possibilities. Similar to how the original Mistborn trilogy examined the different magic systems in the different books, I'm guessing that AoL explained Twinborn and the second will delve into the advances in Hemalurgy by the writer of the book.

[David Coppercloud]

Probably not. His metalminds were removed, then he was shot a couple dozen times at point blank range in front of a large crowd and then had his body disposed of somehow. I'm pretty sure he's very dead.

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Oh, I just realized that the book Wax is reading in the first chapter of Shadows of Self on brandonsanderson.com is probably the book given to Marasi by Marsh. Hmm. It likely discusses Hemalurgy in some detail, judging from the bits we see. My guess is the second book will involve more Hemalurgical possibilities. Similar to how the original Mistborn trilogy examined the different magic systems in the different books, I'm guessing that AoL explained Twinborn and the second will delve into the advances in Hemalurgy by the writer of the book.

 

 

With regard to Miles: If I were a secret organization that was collecting Mistlings and potentially had agents everywhere, I might take measures to secure Miles a very powerful twinborn, with everyone thinking he is dead. I can think of two ways that his execution might have been faked.

 

The first is that those last bullets that were shot in his face to confirm his dead could be employed to have the reverse effect; shooting him in the face with some of his own metal minds. All one would need to do then would be to steal away the body before notices signs of life. Yes he has proven to be stubborn when taking orders, but there are many tools of persuation in convinsing a man who heals rapidly, to do what you want.

 

The second is: is there a visual difference between a Gold  Feruchemist healing quickly and a Kandra moving around his meat? There is a rumour floating around that one of the characters was swapped with a Kandra during the course of the book.

 

 

And the book Marsh gave Marasi: I think Brandon had cleverly incorporated as a part of the book as the index after the last chapter. Note that it is written in the first person, especially the section dealing with Hemalurgy. 

[Kurkistan he/him]

The second is: is there a visual difference between a Gold  Feruchemist healing quickly and a Kandra moving around his meat? There is a rumour floating around that one of the characters was swapped with a Kandra during the course of the book.

It was TenSoon masquerading as Brettin at the end.

 

And the book Marsh gave Marasi: I think Brandon had cleverly incorporated as a part of the book as the index after the last chapter. Note that it is written in the first person, especially the section dealing with Hemalurgy.

We know that the Ars Arcana are all written by the same person, so unless that's the same source as that book, than this isn't the case.

Edited July 22, 2014 by Kurkistan

[Pathfinder]

The first is that those last bullets that were shot in his face to confirm his dead could be employed to have the reverse effect; shooting him in the face with some of his own metal minds. All one would need to do then would be to steal away the body before notices signs of life. Yes he has proven to be stubborn when taking orders, but there are many tools of persuation in convinsing a man who heals rapidly, to do what you want.

 

Although the bullet idea is clever, I do feel the need to point out that there wouldn't be any tools of persuasion that would work on Miles. It is literally shown and stated that after healing so much so many times Miles no longer feels pain. Maybe sensory deprivation MIGHT work? 

[happyman he/him]

Probably not. His metalminds were removed, then he was shot a couple dozen times at point blank range in front of a large crowd and then had his body disposed of somehow. I'm pretty sure he's very dead.

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Oh, I just realized that the book Wax is reading in the first chapter of Shadows of Self on brandonsanderson.com is probably the book given to Marasi by Marsh. Hmm. It likely discusses Hemalurgy in some detail, judging from the bits we see. My guess is the second book will involve more Hemalurgical possibilities. Similar to how the original Mistborn trilogy examined the different magic systems in the different books, I'm guessing that AoL explained Twinborn and the second will delve into the advances in Hemalurgy by the writer of the book.

 

My guess is that he is not merely dead, but truly most sincerely dead.

[Turanga Leela she/her]

My guess is also that he is dead. This book was intended to be a stand-alone, if I understand correctly; an introduction of sorts to another trilogy. (or did Brandon Sanderson change his mind on that, making AoL the first book in the new tri?) It seemed to me like an experiment in the traditional adventure/western genre (based on the huge amount of traditional tropes in it) My theory is that now that they've defeated Miles and gotten past the Set's diversion, they'll spend the next trilogy getting into the Set's real plans and the bigger picture.

 

I suppose Miles could always come back, but he'd have to be a lot more powerful, or not play a huge role. Otherwise Sanderson would be bringing back a dead and old villain and people would be bored.

 

Anyways, my main problem with AoL is Wax's name. Wax? Waxillium? Why? Why on God's green earth would you call a character "Waxillium?" I mean, I get that Wax and Wayne is a charmingly corny pairing, but still...

[BreathTaker he/him]

Anyways, my main problem with AoL is Wax's name. Wax? Waxillium? Why? Why on God's green earth would you call a character "Waxillium?" I mean, I get that Wax and Wayne is a charmingly corny pairing, but still...

 

Because it's Harmony's green-ish Scadrial, and people have weird names there. 

[WeiryWriter he/him]

My guess is also that he is dead. This book was intended to be a stand-alone, if I understand correctly; an introduction of sorts to another trilogy. (or did Brandon Sanderson change his mind on that, making AoL the first book in the new tri?) It seemed to me like an experiment in the traditional adventure/western genre (based on the huge amount of traditional tropes in it) My theory is that now that they've defeated Miles and gotten past the Set's diversion, they'll spend the next trilogy getting into the Set's real plans and the bigger picture.

 

Alloy of Law started as a short story that accidentally grew into a novel.  By the time he finished he knew it would be the first in a series though (currently planned to be a trilogy) it's not meant to be a standalone.  It is *not* the first in the "modern" Mistborn trilogy.  Alloy is set around 1900-1910 level tech whereas the modern trilogy is going to be set in 1980's level tech.

[~sylphrena~ she/her]

Alloy of Law started as a short story that accidentally grew into a novel.  By the time he finished he knew it would be the first in a series though (currently planned to be a trilogy) it's not meant to be a standalone.  It is *not* the first in the "modern" Mistborn trilogy.  Alloy is set around 1900-1910 level tech whereas the modern trilogy is going to be set in 1980's level tech.

 

Does this mean that Brandon Sanderson plans to write another 6 books in the proposed 9-book Mistborn series (and Alloy of Law is just an add-on)? And if the 2nd miniseries is 60 years later, will we ever see Wax and Waxilium again?

[Pathfinder]

Does this mean that Brandon Sanderson plans to write another 6 books in the proposed 9-book Mistborn series (and Alloy of Law is just an add-on)? And if the 2nd miniseries is 60 years later, will we ever see Wax and Waxilium again?

Answer to the first question, yes. Answer to the second, in my own opinion, I see Wax and Wayne possibly referenced, maybe a descendant mentioned, or even a very very very elderly brief cameo, but other than that I do not think so. 

[WeiryWriter he/him]

Does this mean that Brandon Sanderson plans to write another 6 books in the proposed 9-book Mistborn series (and Alloy of Law is just an add-on)? And if the 2nd miniseries is 60 years later, will we ever see Wax and Waxilium again?

 

Yes, Wax and Wayne are planned to get a trilogy, the second of which, Shadows of Self, is planed for Late 2015.  So it's there's 9 originally planned Mistborn books + 3 Wax and Wayne books.

[Dellexe he/him]

I'm really quite curious whether the events of Adventures are going to be mentioned in the modern trilogy at all...

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I mean, Alloy of Law starts to deal with the possibility of an army of specially bred Allomancers being created. If this actually ends up happening I'd expect it to be a pretty major event in the history of Scadrial, and one that would continue to have an affect even after however many decades are between Adventures and the modern trilogy.

[Pathfinder]

So here is a thought I just had. Marasi states how Wax is legendary in the criminal sheets (I forgot the term she used for them). I think it would be awesome/hilarious if during the modern day trilogy, we see a character watching tv when an Old Roughs (western) show comes on titled "The Wax and Wayne Show, Tales from the Old Roughs"

[Spook the Mistborn]

So I know I'm really late on this and this will probably not get a response since my love for Brandon Sanderson is fairly recent. I am newcomer to Brandon Sanderson and in the past month have read the Mistborn trilogy and the Reckoners series. I plan to read Warbreaker next and have just finished Alloy of Law (I can't wait for Shadows of Self). I absolutely loved following Wax and Wayne's story in Alloy of Law but I just have one (probably very stupid) question that I feel wasn't given enough attention in the epilogue. Could someone explain more about th insurance fraud thing with Edward Ladrian and the Set. What exactly was it for? Did The Set take up the shares of House Tekiel and claim insurance for stolen things to gain funding for The Set? Apologies if this is in the wrong section but I assume everyone in this forum has read the book a while ago and are experts on the details. 

[Oudeis he/him]

Tekiel had contracts to deliver goods, and due to the thefts was unable to deliver on these contracts. They owed money to the people who had trusted Tekiel with their goods. They could not pay because all of their things had been stolen.

The original contract was something like, I promise to get a shipment of steel to this place and then you will give me money. Since Tekiel couldn't pay the fee to break the contract, they basically sold their half of the contract. So they sell to Company B, who now has to ship steel for the people who hired Tekiel. This is a terrible deal, and very few people have a way to eke out any profit, so they sell it for a crazy small amount.

And that's where the fraud comes in. Transporting steel which was stolen is hard. But when the Vanishers are all caught, the property shows up. So, Company B entered into this contract at a bargain price. Now, suddenly, delivering the steel is incredibly easy, and Company B gets paid by the people who wanted the steel shipped.

[Spook the Mistborn]

So The Set take up the contract of House Tekiel and now are getting paid by the people who payed Tekiel for their shipments. So it doesn't matter that Tekiel were transporting stolen goods because once The Set got the contracts and Miles was caught they could return everything and take control of the whole institution, buying the shares really cheaply. 

 

What I still don't understand is the part where Edward explains why the Ladrian house was so destitute. Where did the house finances go to??

 

 

Thanks so much for helping me and sorry about asking more questions...

[Kaymyth she/her]

So The Set take up the contract of House Tekiel and now are getting paid by the people who payed Tekiel for their shipments. So it doesn't matter that Tekiel were transporting stolen goods because once The Set got the contracts and Miles was caught they could return everything and take control of the whole institution, buying the shares really cheaply. 

 

What I still don't understand is the part where Edward explains why the Ladrian house was so destitute. Where did the house finances go to??

 

 

Thanks so much for helping me and sorry about asking more questions...

 

He was funneling them into the Set.  There's a lot more going on than we've seen so far; all of these shenanigans were to fund the Set's operations.  I think grabbing the women was just a side bonus.

[Oudeis he/him]

So The Set take up the contract of House Tekiel and now are getting paid by the people who payed Tekiel for their shipments. So it doesn't matter that Tekiel were transporting stolen goods because once The Set got the contracts and Miles was caught they could return everything and take control of the whole institution, buying the shares really cheaply.

What I still don't understand is the part where Edward explains why the Ladrian house was so destitute. Where did the house finances go to??

Thanks so much for helping me and sorry about asking more questions...

My phone is eating my attempts to reply, I'll try again on a computer tomorrow.

Edited August 29, 2015 by Oudeis

[JakAnze]

I wonder if in the future serie, when/if hemalergy becomes more well known; if older twin borns or allomancer will "organ donate" aka if they are terminal or near death doctors would spike them so their power can be preserved for the nation's military for example. Or hand to hand fighting groups that's whole purpose is to spike members of oppositional forces for their abilities with the hope they can become immortal soldiers. It could branch out some crazy directions

[Oudeis he/him]

Sorry, forgot to finish my reply earlier.

 

House Ladrian. It's called embezzlement. Basically, Lord Edwarn took money from his House and put it somewhere safe. This is illegal, and pretty obvious. If you just do it to a business (or a House or a company or anything) someone will typically notice, and investigate, and you'll go to jail, and the money will sometimes be put back. It's important to realize that this wasn't Lord Edwarn's personal money; he wouldn't have needed to embezzle that. It belongs to the House, which has obligations to its workers and business partners and such, and even though as Lord he's the steward of this money and makes decisions about it, there are laws in place to prevent him from simply doing with it as he wished.

 

How did he get away with it, then? It's not actually complicated. He looked like an idiot. If you steal a lot of money from someone, they will look poor. However, there's another way for someone to look poor; have them actually be poor. Have them spend more money than they get. Lord Edwarn deliberately cultivated a reputation as a risk-taker, as a poor businessman, as a wastrel. When suddenly the House had no money, no one bothered to check to see if the money had been stolen. It was already obvious that a lot of money had been wasted or lost. No one checked to see if the amount of money they had left was actually a result of what they'd lost through poor business deals.

 

It was very illegal, and very hard to do. Lord Edwarn is smart, and an excellent liar, to have accomplished it.

[JakAnze]

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[Oudeis he/him]

Tekiel. What's up with that?

 

We know they're a powerful House. We know that, dispersion aside, some Houses are still allomantically powerful, and Tekiel at least 300 years ago was powerful enough allomantically to produce Vin. Moreover, metalborn as a whole are more common now. Tekiel is sparing no expense in keeping the Breaknaught safe.

 

So... where are the allomancers?

 

When the group of Tekiel guards charged the Phantom Railcar, why were they all muggles? A Coinshot could have leapt over the rotary gun's line of fire and shots guns or just coins at the operators. A pewterarm could have taken a few blows and kept going. A bloodmaker could've gotten up, a steelrunner could have circled in a huge arc (or just gotten there before they started firing).

 

There weren't any metalborn guards when Wax snuck onto the Breaknaught, either. Seriously. A family as big as Tekiel, with as great a propensity for metallic traits, you'd expect them to have their own metalborn, and you'd absolutely expect them to be able (and willing) to hire a metallic mercenary unit. Why didn't they?

[Landis963 he/him]

Tekiel. What's up with that?

 

We know they're a powerful House. We know that, dispersion aside, some Houses are still allomantically powerful, and Tekiel at least 300 years ago was powerful enough allomantically to produce Vin. Moreover, metalborn as a whole are more common now. Tekiel is sparing no expense in keeping the Breaknaught safe.

 

So... where are the allomancers?

 

When the group of Tekiel guards charged the Phantom Railcar, why were they all muggles? A Coinshot could have leapt over the rotary gun's line of fire and shots guns or just coins at the operators. A pewterarm could have taken a few blows and kept going. A bloodmaker could've gotten up, a steelrunner could have circled in a huge arc (or just gotten there before they started firing).

 

There weren't any metalborn guards when Wax snuck onto the Breaknaught, either. Seriously. A family as big as Tekiel, with as great a propensity for metallic traits, you'd expect them to have their own metalborn, and you'd absolutely expect them to be able (and willing) to hire a metallic mercenary unit. Why didn't they?

 

Maybe in the course of sparing no expense they ran out of budget?  I think the project was more for an anti-allomancer safe than it would be an anti-allomancer guard protocol.  

[Rellar he/him]

I think my favorite thing in the book was Wax's realization that Miles would have been a hero in the previous age - that society's changes can make one age's hero another age's villain.

Isn't Miles's outlook and morality almost exactly like Dox or Kelsier?

except Elendel's government doesn't slaughter people by the thousands for no reason.  So really Kelsier had good reason to despise the government. 

Edited December 4, 2015 by Shotgunsalesman

[natc]

Well, the government is probably corrupt to some degree (like a whole lot of governments) so I wouldn't say Miles didn't have a good reason to hate them.

Kelsier just had a much better reason.

Edited December 4, 2015 by natc