Twice as powerful atium misting

[NameIess]

3 hours ago, Ookla the Prolific said:

That would work.  I am referencing the scene where Vin ascends.  She is essentially burning lerasium the entire time.  Fueling her mists with alomancy.

The different forms of investiture do very different things. Also, the only reason she could fuel Elend was because he was already connected to her, much like Ruin could control the inquisitors.

[Karger]

1 minute ago, Llstml said:

The different forms of investiture do very different things. Also, the only reason she could fuel Elend was because he was already connected to her, much like Ruin could control the inquisitors.

What about when Vin herself ascends? 

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Douglas

What about a lerasium savant? Or would that require so much lerasium that the person attempting it would ascend to become a new Shardholder?

Brandon Sanderson

Basically, this is what Ascension is.

 

[NameIess]

The form of investiture itself does not matter in that scenario, the mists are Preservations body, as is Lerasium and the Well of Ascension. When Vin absorbed the mists, the important part was not the form of investiture, it was the amount of it.

[Karger]

1 minute ago, Llstml said:

The form of investiture itself does not matter in that scenario, the mists are Preservations body, as is Lerasium and the Well of Ascension. When Vin absorbed the mists, the important part was not the form of investiture, it was the amount of it.

Yes but while fueling herself she was using unlimited alomancy.

[Tglassy]

Right, when he's fighting Marsh, he's being fueled by Vin, but in the cave, when he first downs the bead of Lerasium, vin gives him a Mistborn vial of metals to wash it down.  He had plenty of pewter.  

[NameIess]

9 minutes ago, Ookla the Prolific said:

Yes but while fueling herself she was using unlimited alomancy.

The mists fuel allomancy, Lerasium increases spiritual connection or does something similar, and the liquid at the Well of Ascension either temporarily ascends you, or has some other main effect that no one knows about because it is so dense in investiture that it ascends you before you notice. We have no reason to believe that the different states of investiture can do the same thing as each other, except that all of them will eventually ascend you if you absorb enough of them.

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[Karger]

23 minutes ago, Llstml said:

We have no reason to believe that the different states of investiture can do the same thing as each other

When burned?  It does not matter if a metal is in solid state or aqueous solution.  Still does the same thing.

[Halyo_Alex]

28 minutes ago, Llstml said:

The mists fuel allomancy, Lerasium increases spiritual connection or does something similar, and the liquid at the Well of Ascension either temporarily ascends you, or has some other main effect that no one knows about because it is so dense in investiture that it ascends you before you notice. We have no reason to believe that the different states of investiture can do the same thing as each other, except that all of them will eventually ascend you if you absorb enough of them.

They are all Preservation's Investiture in physical forms; Solid (Lerasium) Liquid (the Well) and Gas (the Mists). Therefore it is QUITE reasonable to believe that they would do the same thing.

[NameIess]

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Kaimipono

Allomancy is fueled by Preservation's body? How exactly does that work? And how does that interact with Atium—it's fueled by both gods' bodies?

Brandon Sanderson

The powers of Ruin and Preservation are Shards of Adonalsium, pieces of the power of creation itself. Allomancy, Hemalurgy, Feruchemy are manifestations of this power in mortal form, the ability to touch the powers of creation and use them. These metallic powers are how people's physical forms interpret the use of the Shard, though it's not the only possible way they could be interpreted or used. It's what the genetics and Realmatic interactions of Scadrial allow for, and has to do with the Spiritual, the Cognitive, and the Physical Realms.

Condensed 'essence' of these godly powers can act as super-fuel for Allomancy, Feruchemy, or really any of the powers. The form of that super fuel is important. In liquid form it's most potent, in gas form it's able to fuel Allomancy as if working as a metal. In physical form it is rigid and does one specific thing. In the case of atium, it allows sight into the future. In the case of concentrated Preservation, it gives one a permanent connection to the mists and the powers of creation. (I.e., it makes them an Allomancer.)

So when a person is burning metals, they aren't using Preservation's body as a fuel so to speak—though they are tapping into the powers of creation just slightly. When Vin burns the mists, however, she'd doing just that—using the essence of Preservation, the Shard of Adonalsium itself—to fuel Allomancy. Doing this, however, rips 'troughs' through her body. It's like forcing far too much pressure through a very small, fragile hose. That much power eventually vaporizes the corporeal host, which is acting as the block and forcing the power into a single type of conduit (Allomancy) and frees it to be more expansive.

 

[StanLemon]

On 12/5/2019 at 2:21 PM, Ookla the Prolific said:

It can be burned in place of any metal.  This is how Elend burns pewter when he does not actually have any in his system.

That's still just a theory. Maybe even a possible uses of it but it's more likely that that would be another side effect rather than actual effect.