Haelbarde

I'll spectate at the very least. I may play, but it'll depend on how prepared I am for an impending presentation by the start of the game.

Just because sometimes I throw comments out like "practice opsec/pm safety!", here's an example of what I mean, and why I try and be particular about how I present information. I made this post L3D1: This post L3N1: And this post L3D2: I suggest in the first that it wasn't impossible for me to get to 50 rupees though I didn't have the activity. I state in the second that I did not have the Stone Mask, and reference being close to affording it. And in the third I list all of my rupee earnings. I did not claim to have not purchased any mask, nor did I claim to have 45 rupees in pocket by the start of N1-C. The L3N1 post might imply I had been saving rather than spending by saying I was kinda close, but I was referencing the hypothetical max rupee counts I had discussed in the first post. That's not how the elims read those posts however (from L3N2): I didn't lie about anything but I managed to mislead the elims, albeit unintentionally, by only sharing the necessary details (in this case, whether there was a possibility of me affording a mask) and not filling in every detail (liking having the Captain's Hat L3 or Don Gero L2, both ruling me out of being the L3 Don Gero holder). I thought the same thing Aman had said he was going to do a cool scene for Link. There was a cool scene, but then an explosion the same turn the other Goron died, so I accused Aman of thinking all Goron's looked the same. He clarified that it was intended to be my Goron, and that the captain's actions were to save his life.

I went to check that I'd probably pulled the idea of names having teeth coming from Schlock Mercenary's 70 Maxims of Maximally Effective Mercenaries, and while it was (maxim 16), a lot of the other maxims felt appropriate to this game or SE in general 5. Close air support and friendly fire should be easier to tell apart. (the Stick/Coco exe) 16. Your name is in the mouth of others: be sure it has teeth. 17. The longer everything goes according to plan, the bigger the impending disaster. (L3D3 for the elims) 19. The world is richer when you turn enemies into friends, but that's not the same as you being richer. (something something rupees) 20. If you're not willing to shell your own position, you're not willing to win. (the elims every turn) 30. A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go. 35. That which does not kill you has made a tactical error. (the elims regarding me) 40. Not all good news is enemy action. (so many scan claims ) 42. "They'll never expect this" means "I want to try something stupid." 43. If it's stupid and it works, it's still stupid and you're lucky. 47. Don't expect the enemy to cooperate in the creation of your dream engagement. 66. Necessity is the mother of deception.

Mission accomplished I'm glad to know that despite my long absence my name still has teeth

All good. The painful things happened during N3 so we'd already resolved the stressful turn. And to be honest, if not for the e!scan on me I'd probably not sus'd you. I probably wouldn't have bothered to work out the Keaton thing either. Would it help to know that I originally did not bid for the Captain's mask? I was going to go for Bremen, and figured it would be better to leave the Captain's mask for a more engaged villager. It was only figuring that better an unengaged villager than the elims, and that it'd be nice to chill in a doc that I changed my bid to include and prioritise it. Apparently I was the only one to bid for it L3D1 I am sorry about the doc colour verification thing, though I'm pretty we would have been able to verify to TUM and Wahr's satisfaction regardless.

Huh. I feel like Coco offered rupee Intel to us in the L3 dead doc. I didn't realise that would have been Intel straight from the Elim doc

I did wonder, I just didn't want to believe

Docs now Well played Coco. Imma gonna need explanations for the entire Elim team killing Stick instead of e!Coco though

While your alignment might have been questionable, your art has been nothing but good!

This is meant to be getting less stressful, not more I honestly don't know. I'm fairly confident that it's between Coco and Twin, but I don't really remember all the reasons I was pretty sure it's not Mist, but felt like I had an argument for each of Coco and Twin. I think the argument for it being Twin is what I argued in this post where I look at the L2D3 execution. Doc and Burnt get Stick executed instead of Coco. That feels like a decision to ensure there was an elim in the dead pool, so why save Coco if Coco was evil? Coco probably had the higher rupee count, so saving e!Coco meant they had a better shot of expensive masks than e!Stick did perhaps? The thing with e!Twin is that I'm then a little confused by the L3D2 execution. Which devolved to just the votes on Twin because Burnt had the Stone Mask. Notably, Doc and Stick both vote out Twin. If we look through the cycle, initially votes are settling on Burnt as the primary execution and Mist as the secondary Then Wonko shifts to Doc. It's Doc in this post that shifts first to Twin, with 27 hours left in the cycle. Wahr also adds a vote to Twin, and Archer adds to the Burnt train, followed by Divergent. With 10 hours to go, the vote tally is: Shortly there after, Mist shifts to Twin from Burnt, and then Stick 3 hours later prompting Mist to move back to Burnt with 6 hours left on the clock. I add my vote on Twin with 4 hours to go, and with 22 minutes to spare, Wonko shifts from Doc to Twin. TUM attempts to vote on Burnt, but it lands after Aman had closed cycle. I haven't read through the actual arguments of that cycle to understand why Twin was the preferred side train over other alternatives, but purely based on the votes, Doc and Stick seem to get Twin killed when there might have been another alternative. So yeah, I'm mostly just confused about where the last elim is. Of those two arguments, without having understood the arguments for the Twin execution, Coco seems slightly more sus, but they were actively contributing in the dead doc, so that makes me want to read them village... Please don't make me decide

Okay, that's a relief. I was fairly confident about Stick, but I had some niggling doubts. This one's easy though. Doc.

If you read my post, you don't have to verify whether my posts counted for rupees or not. If I did not post at all during L2N2, L2D3, L2N3, I cannot have achieved enough rupees for Keaton and Captains even if I got the rupee max every turn I did post. Which is why I then explored how how e!Hael with the Keaton mask instead of the Captain's Hat works: Do you disagree that the only elim candidates living during L3D3 who could have collaborated with me by them having the Captain's Mask are Doc and Stick? Do you disagree that Stick could not have had the Captain's Mask as I was still able to communicate with the dead during L3N3? Do you disagree that if I had the Keaton Mask then I could only do so if Doc was the other eliminator with the Captain's Mask?

I don't entirely agree. Araris, TJ, Stick, Wonko, Drake, Divergent, Archer all died L2 for the first time, so started L3 with 20. Ash died L1 & L2 so started L3 with 50. TUM, Wahr died L1, starting L2 with 20 rupees. Rupee max would have allowed for 50 rupees L3. Coco, Hael, Doc, Burnt, Mist, Twin had not died by L3D1 TUM and Wahr are confirmed villagers so have no reason to lie. Ash is too, but also died before the Keaton Mask was used, so doubly cannot have it. Coco and Twin died before L3D3, plus Coco being executed before being able to buy anything L3D1 and Twin not having posted enough to have had much more than 20 rupees, if that, so neither could have purchased the Keaton mask. Burnt provably had the Stone Mask, so unless we're saying Burnt had 100 rupees and purchased the Keaton mask L3N1 she didn't have it. Plus, wearing the Stone Mask would have made her unable to equip and use the Keaton mask. That leaves Doc, Hael, and Mist. Hael (me) was the least active of the three. My claimed rupee counts don't allow for me to have afforded it, but let's investigate the possibility that I am lying about my rupee income. If I made max rupees L1, I'd be at 40 going into L2. During L2, I did not post during N2, D3, N3, and I only posted once during D2. Even without checking my posts from D1/N1, My max potential earnings from L2 is 11 rupees, taking me to 51 rupees at the start of L3. Rupee max L3D1 could have gotten me to 61. 60 rupees does not win me Captain's + Keaton. So for me to have the Keaton Mask, a living elim on D3 who is not Burnt has to have the Captain's hat and be doing some insane coordination with me. The elim pools from the result of L2 were <Drake/Stick>, <Hael, Doc, Burnt, Coco, Twin, Mist>. Burnt had stone, Drake, Coco, Twin were dead. The only other living elim candidates beyond Burnt and I were Stick and Doc. If Doc's an elim paired with me, then the whole matter is kinda moot, and Doc is a safe vote. Or if this is a question of whether Doc had a silver mask, this world requires Doc to have the Captain's hat and so not the MoT/GFM. The only other option is a Stick / Hael combo where Stick has the Captain's mask. Which she verifiably did not. I was still active in the dead doc during N3 after her death, and if that fact has not already been verified, I am sure that Ash, Drake, and Coco can all confirm that for you. So either I had the Captain's mask, or we are in a Doc / Hael world where Doc did not buy a silver mask. In that world, just execute Doc, and work out which of Stick or Drake is the elim. So then, if I cannot have had the Keaton mask, we are left with Doc and Mist as the only candidates for Keaton's, so consequently either: Doc purchased the Keaton mask. This means he cannot have purchased the GFM or the MoT This means he must be lying about scanning me evil. This means the elim plans for L3 were not based on the expectation of having a resurrection. Mist purchased the Keaton mask. Given they are still claiming the Gibdo Mask this turn, suggests Mist is an elim. This is the only world in which Doc possibly achieves a silver mask. v!Doc gets MoT and scans me as an elim. Agreed that this is the one world in which a Hael vote makes more sense than a Doc vote. But in this world Mist / Hael is e/e, so why does e!Mist insist on killing e!Hael over v!Doc? This strongly suggests we are not in this world. e!Doc probably gets GFM I don't see how Doc / Mist pairing doesn't get a NK off and win L3. To summarise: The only world in which Hael does not have Captain's Hat is a Doc / Hael e/e world. Mist getting Keaton implies e!Mist and allows for v!Doc, but e!Mist would want v!Doc dead over Hael, so e!Mist implies e!Doc Otherwise, Doc is elim as he bought Keaton instead of a silver mask, and elims did not base L3 strategy around the GFM So I guess, @Mistfallen Soldier, how about those numbers? As far as I can tell, any world where I am evil require Doc also to be evil, or you to be evil, and your only reasonable vote is on Doc. Edit 1: (Added the line about Wahr, TUM, and Ash being confirmed villagers after the initial set of dot points) Edit 2: I guess we may as resolve the Stick thing first at this point, and get back to Doc after.

I went back and checked and it does seem it was reasonable for Doc to have earned sufficient rupees. The problem is someone bought it, it wasn't Burnt. So who had the funds and was alive L3D3? If there aren't any other candidates, it kinda has to be Doc, and the reason for no GF mask was he had purchased something bigger in a previous loop.

There was never much doubt over Doc's ability to buy purple masks, only whether he could actually have afforded a silver mask which while I didn't really follow the conversation on I didn't think was conclusive, being based somewhat on PMs that may or may not have been sent. While I think an elim with 100 rupees tries to get the GF mask, an elim with 98 bids on the multiple cheaper masks to fight for the more achievable ones and then buys a 50 rupee mask N1.