Investiture Compression, Metalminds, and the Realms

[Trusk'our he/him]

I have a hypothesis about Realmatics that has ramifications for a number of different things. I will mostly be sticking to Metalmind capacity in this post though, and will shortly post the other idea

We know that Investiture exists in all three Realms (WoB)- though not equally, as Breaths are considered to be mostly physical (WoB) and Shards typically have the vast majority of their Investiture inside the Spiritual Realm (with the exception of the Dor, which resides almost entirely inside the Cognitive Realm).

We also know that Metalminds don't have a linear increase to their Investiture capacity, but that they have different categories of size and storage capacity (WoB).

My idea is that when you take a lot of Investiture and pack it together in any Realm it will begin to leak into the other Realms. We see this with Shards that exist in the Spiritual Realm that create Perpendicularities in the Physical Realm because there is so much Investiture in the Spiritual that it pushes into the Physical.

So, if you have a Metalmind in the Physical Realm and pack it with enough Investiture, the Investiture will begin to push into the Cognitive and Spiritual Realms due to its nature- which consequently will allow there to be more Investiture put in, since there is more "space" that will exist in those Realms for the Metalmind to access; a larger Metalmind allows for more Investiture to be physically put in, which increases the amount of Investiture that can be squeezed together to create a bigger opening to the other Realms, which further increases the Metalmind's capacity.

What do you guys think of this? Do you think I'm on to something?

Edited May 4, 2023 by Trusk'our

[alder24]

1 hour ago, Trusk'our said:

I have a hypothesis about Realmatics that has ramifications for a number of different things. I will mostly be sticking to Metalmind capacity in this post though, and will shortly post the other idea

We know that Investiture exists in all three Realms (WoB)- though not equally, as Breaths are considered to be mostly physical (WoB) and Shards typically have the vast majority of their Investiture inside the Spiritual Realm (with the exception of the Dor, which resides almost entirely inside the Cognitive Realm).

We also know that Metalminds don't have a linear increase to their Investiture capacity, but that they have different categories of size and storage capacity (WoB).

My idea is that when you take a lot of Investiture and pack it together in any Realm it will begin to leak into the other Realms. We see this with Shards that exist in the Spiritual Realm that create Perpendicularities in the Physical Realm because there is so much Investiture in the Spiritual that it pushes into the Physical.

So, if you have a Metalmind in the Physical Realm and pack it with enough Investiture, the Investiture will begin to push into the Cognitive and Spiritual Realms due to its nature- which consequently will allow there to be more Investiture put in, since there is more "space" that will exist in those Realms for the Metalmind to access; a larger Metalmind allows for more Investiture to be physically put in, which increases the amount of Investiture that can be squeezed together to create a bigger opening to the other Realms, which further increases the Metalmind's capacity.

What do you guys think of this? Do you think I'm on to something?

You're suggesting exponential growth? The more investiture a metalmind has, the more it can fit? Maybe. But I think investiture in a metalminds, rather than pushing into CR/SR, would try to pierce them until it succeed and create a perpendicularity. Not really moving itself from a metalmind into CR/SR - it already is there. So I don't think it would work like that. 

[Trusk'our he/him]

37 minutes ago, alder24 said:

You're suggesting exponential growth? The more investiture a metalmind has, the more it can fit? Maybe. But I think investiture in a metalminds, rather than pushing into CR/SR, would try to pierce them until it succeed and create a perpendicularity. Not really moving itself from a metalmind into CR/SR - it already is there. So I don't think it would work like that. 

That's a fair conclusion. I hope we get more info in the books or from Brandon soon!

[cometaryorbit]

I tend to think that while theoretically enough Investiture in a metalmind could create a perpendicularity, in practice its not really likely.

The Bands are less Invested than a Shardblade, and they're both larger (mass) than most metalminds and so full they don't show any steel-lines. I'd think that even a large steel sword 100% full would only be as Invested as a Shardblade (which is god metal) or less.

Liquid Investiture is super powerful, and it takes a whole pool of that to make a perpendicularity. So I think this would require a metalmind significantly larger than a person, and ridiculous amounts of Compounding to fill it. If you had a ship made of Allomantic steel, and a Steel Compounder, maybe...

[Trusk'our he/him]

1 hour ago, cometaryorbit said:

I tend to think that while theoretically enough Investiture in a metalmind could create a perpendicularity, in practice its not really likely.

The Bands are less Invested than a Shardblade, and they're both larger (mass) than most metalminds and so full they don't show any steel-lines. I'd think that even a large steel sword 100% full would only be as Invested as a Shardblade (which is god metal) or less.

Liquid Investiture is super powerful, and it takes a whole pool of that to make a perpendicularity. So I think this would require a metalmind significantly larger than a person, and ridiculous amounts of Compounding to fill it. If you had a ship made of Allomantic steel, and a Steel Compounder, maybe...

Well, you could fuse a bunch of pillars of metal together (or make a huge mold for molten metal) and make a large Metalmind- one stretching over an entire city block or two- and then fill it via Compounding (and possibly Allomantic duralumin to speed it up) over a long period of time.

Do this enough and you will eventually get a Perpendicularity, though transportation would likely be impossible under most circumstances.

Though, building a Metalmind-Perpendicularity out of an entire ship would fix the transportation problem.

[cometaryorbit]

Yeah, exactly. I just don't think it's possible for a Compounder to achieve using metalminds small enough to wear or carry.

[Argenti he/him]

16 hours ago, Trusk'our said:

Well, you could fuse a bunch of pillars of metal together (or make a huge mold for molten metal) and make a large Metalmind- one stretching over an entire city block or two- and then fill it via Compounding (and possibly Allomantic duralumin to speed it up) over a long period of time.

Do this enough and you will eventually get a Perpendicularity, though transportation would likely be impossible under most circumstances.

Though, building a Metalmind-Perpendicularity out of an entire ship would fix the transportation problem.

Maybe the Copperweb could do this? (that's the internet with copper.)

[Trusk'our he/him]

52 minutes ago, Argenti said:

Maybe the Copperweb could do this? (that's the internet with copper.)

Yup, that's a real possibility if enough people ended up using it over a long enough period of time.

Might even be how the majority of Scadrial end up learning about the Cognitive Realm- accidentally creating a Perpendicularity as a by-product of amassing too much of societies memories in a relatively small location.

Edited May 8, 2023 by Trusk'our