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  1. Aleksiel
    To be fair, Vargo was a decent and caring king, who had build hospitals and provided peace and free healthcare for his citizens, no way to predict he'd turn into what he became, though I do not consider him a villain. I suspect Gavilar saw in him a potential ally and that's why he confided in him, though it's odd he never said anything to his own brother until his last words. The Sons of Honor and the Envisagers are very different. The former want to bring Desolation to return the Heralds (ironically clueless 9 out of 10 have been on Roshar for millenniums), whereas the latter want to be Radiants, but they clearly lacked important pieces of information. I wouldn't say these two secret societies were connected. I'm curious - what good reason did you two think Amaram had that could turn him into a hero?
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    Don't over-think the cover, it's art. As you can see, the Parshendi are some weird brownish color instead of white, black and red, so why not a side sword?
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    Nalan didn't seem to think Szeth using Honorblade to surgebind and kill contributed to Desolation, so I'd say he's ok with Honorblade surgebinding and against spren-related surgebinding. He probably didn't want to openly use a surge when everybody could see. Vargo lied to Szeth to protect himself and make Szeth continue to believe there were no Voidbringers and Radiants. And as it was pointed out, a Herald went back for his/her Honorblade.
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    Now, they aren't 'murdering people, because their death is convenient', they're executing criminals. All people we've seen Nin kill or attempt to kill have been proven guilty with death as a legal punishment. Skybreaker are about law. About the spirit of the Skybreakers - who is to say they aren't living up to it? As I said, Skybreakers are supposed to put law above all else, which seems to be the case with Nin and his guys. If the KR are more about the Ideals one is supposed to live up to, then not having a spren isn't a reason to not be part of an Order. Windrunners' squires certainly count as members of the Windrunner Order without having spren themselves. Helaran wasn't a surgebinder (else the fiht would have been different), that doesn't mean he wasn't a Skybreaker. After all, Szeth is to be considered a Skybreaker now or at least in the next book and he's not having a highspren either.
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    He did in Urithiru when he knew Shallan was Veil: Now, about Helaran: First, we know the Orders had more than just Radiants as members. Second, it depends on your definition of what the Order is. WoB has it Szeth was approached by a member of one Order and that's most likely Nin asking him to join the Skybreakers. They are lead the Herald their order is based on and seem to follow the original philosophy to put law above all else (the Skybreakers second ideal), so I do not think one has to have a spren to belong to a certain Radiant Order. edit: sorry about the double post, I wanted to edit my previous one, but somehow made a new post instead.
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    Ah, you're right, my bad. I thought Taln didn't have a Honorblade, just a normal spren-Blade. Anyway, I still don't think Amaram was able to get the original Blade Taln had, because Amaram didn't have the chance to get his hands on it before Dalinar's men. I think there was a discussion about how Hoid might have taken it on the way from Kholinar to the Shattered Plains, though I think Bordin woud have noticed the Blade suddenly looked different. Unless Hoid Ligtweaved and switched Blades from the very beggining at the gate or something. Whatever happened to the Blade, Amaram doesn't have it.
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    Though I agree Adolin will likely become a suspect, that's just one more reason against Dalinar leading the investigation. We know he's a man of honor, but I simply don't see Ialai or other highranked lighteyes agree the man, whose soldiers and son are primary suspects, to lead the investigation.
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    Mraize says Helaran was a member of the Skybreakers and Lin was the one, who worked with the Ghostbloods. The Skybreakers lead by Nin don't seem to possess surgebinding powers, so Helaran was a member of the Order without being a Radiant. I think there's WoB the Blade that Taln appeared in Kholinar is the same Dalinar bonded, so Amaram didn't get an Honorblade as he first sees Taln in WoR. edit: spelling
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    It's not a contradiction, because the Kholins will be the main suspects and I simply think noone will openly dare accuse Adolin at first and most people will think someone of the Kholin soldiers did it.
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    I have hard time believing Ialai would agree to Dalinar leading the investigation. Actually, I don't see it happening and here's why: Dalinar is/will trial Sadeas's best man - Amaram - and now Sadeas himself is gone. Looks like the Kholins intentionally are destroying house Sadeas, so I don't think any Kholin will be allowed to participate in the investigation.
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    Even though I think Kaladin killed Helaran, there's this that bothers: what was a Skybreaker doing on the battlefield, committing a crime by murdering a Brightlord? Nalan has expressed interest only in proto-Radiants, who break the law. whereas Amaram was lawful (well, at least the attempted murder wasn't based on legal charges) and he definitely was not a surgebinder. So, why in the name of the Almighty did Helaran abandon his fellow Skybreakers to go and illegally kill Amaram, murdering other innocent people in the process? Nalan is definitely against killing people you don't have the proper paper work for. The Sons of Honor want Dasolation unlike the Skybreakers, though the latter seem convinced it's surgebinders, who cause Desolations and not random people's actions.
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    Going directly to Adolin would be a great insult, I'm doubtful if it'll be socially acceptable. Who would dare to point a finger at the son of (probably) the most powerful men in Roshar? Lighteyes are about appearance and reputation and Adolin's is spotless so far. Considering their stereotypes, I'm doubtful anyone except Ialai and Dalinar would dare to suggest this. Sadeas's men (and wife) would be denied the right to question Kholin men like last time. There's no acting Highprince of Information, any Kholin men taking the investigation would be ridiculous and no doubt rejected. Who'd take the investigation and would do that person think of Adolin and Sadeas's murder? Kind of hard to find a neutral highprince for this job. Surely Ialai would be against any ally of Dalinar taking over it and Dalinar wouldn't let Sadeas's men in his camp questioning his men; it's a matter of principle.
  13. Aleksiel
    Let's not get ahead of the plot, he might be able to use it. After all, he cut his cuffs and used his Blade, so he didn't disable his wrist. When it gets worse, he can always pretend he fell while exploring or injured himself while practicing too soon. We know this, because we've been in his head. His public image is different.
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    Dalinar had so much on his mind, I doubt he knew how good or bad Adolin's wrist was. Adolin can always he was trying to hide how bad it was in order to not worry his family. It seems lowly, which in favor to Adolin. As a prince, he's supposed to have good self-control and he had nothing political to gain from Sadeas death, and to lighteyes politics is everything.
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    I agree. It's not like he had a sign saying how bad his wrist was, most people wouldn't know it suddenly got worse. Adolin didn't know, but he wasn't paying attention anyway. Any hired assassin would have had his sources and taken the opportunity. Alas, knife in the eye socket doesn't scream 'professional' murderer.
  16. Aleksiel
    Adolin has a motive and the ability, but so did all other soldiers you just questioned and all of them would claim to have been together instead of letting you know about the cuffs and the missing time - when Dalinar's men was questioned about the attempted murder of the king, they didn't say a thing and everyone hates Sadeas and likes their prince. No way you'll get information easy. Now what? Mind that Adolin's wrist was broken at the time, so it's not obvious whether or not he could have knifed Sadeas. Also, the duel challenge point that the Kholin's wanted to deal with Sadeas in a legal manner. After finding Urithiru, their position is strengthened, Dalinar is no longer considered a mad man and is more or less rehabilitated in society. The Kholin's aren't facing an opposition, Sadeas's greatest ally sided with Dalinar. Overall, from a political view, there no longer are urgent reasons for the Kholins to deal with Sadeas. Adolin is supposed to know that and someone less politically aware is more suitable for a suspect.
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    The story with the messenger was just an example, may be an alethi soldier could have came up with a better one. Sadeas didn't see Adolin before he showed himself, so the killer could have jumped on Sadeas from the shadows, pushing him onto the ground and killing him. While Adolin definitely had some advantages over common soldiers, he was injured when he killed Sadeas, so he wasn't using his full capacity, thus someone not so practiced could have achieved the same. The skills he used were more wrestling than dueling, and wrestling is considered for lower classes, thus a darkeyes would have had more experience.
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    There are plenty of men with as much war experience as Adolin has, including darkeyes and bridgemen are supposedly more muscular than he average soldier. All someone had to do is get close enough to Sadeas in order to push him on the ground and stab him. Getting close to Sadeas wasn't impossible, it's not like Adolin hugged him before attacking him. Anyone claiming to be a messenger could have done the same imo, so let's just agree to disagree on this. edit: spelling
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    Adolin was watching from the shadows, so may be there was somewhere someone could hide and unexpectedly jump on Sadeas, but that very much depends on the surrounding. Any darkeyes could have pretended he had a message for Sadeas and come close enough to kill him.
  20. Aleksiel
    Taking the Blade would have been too risky and if the killer was darkeyes and tried to bond it, it'd be obvious after a while when his eyes lightened. If the killer stole it, but didn't try to bond it, he wouldn't be able to take it out of Urithiru, so it wouldn't be of much use. Not taking the Blade doesn't point at a Shardbearer killer right away, especially considering that Sadeas was knifed.
  21. Aleksiel
    Knowing Sadeas was murdered as revenge isn't that helpful. All bridgemen and Tower survivals have the same motive.
  22. Aleksiel
    Adolin was on top of Sadeas and if there wasn't a sliced artery, I suppose he could have moved away fast enough before any blood got on his hands. As far as the text goes, there was blood only on Adolin's cuffs and not on his clothes or hands.
  23. Aleksiel
    Now that's just nasty. Besides, Adolin will remain in prison should Dalinar command it. Adolin giving his Shards before the trial is like him agreeing to death sentence, I don't see it happening.
  24. Aleksiel
    His knife was in Sadeas eye socket, whereas his hands were with him the whole time... He used them to cut the cuffs and so on. I seriously doubt Brandon will let Adolin's efforts go to waste so soon.
  25. Aleksiel
    Adolin didn't kill Sadeas with his Blade, how would taking away Adolin's shards protect anyone? He'd stay in prison if Dalinar commands him to.
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